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1: This being my first cycle it was suggested too me that I start at 250mg and then build up after two weeks but if that is not important then I don't mind starting at 500mg.
2: If I do not require that amount, what amount would you suggest as far as PCT?
3: would 40mcg starting at the same time as the var be beneficial so from week 3-8?
Cheers
Jimmy hi,
1: The dose of 250mg is too low for a male to cause significant gains over the period of two weeks (not to speak of the fact that you would actually get circulating testosterone levels lower than what they would have been after prolonged use of this dose due to the relatively long half-life of this ester), yet high enough to suppress your own testosterone production. A much better option would be to use 500mg throughout (a dose high enough to result in major gains over the entire cycle yet well tolerated in nearly every case) and pre-load (e.g. inject twice as much in the first week) so as to get to the steady state blood levels ASAP.
2: Half that (20mg) would be more than enough and it is likely that even a quarter (10mg) would do.
3: I too would advise you to use your first cycle to gain muscle, rather than lose fat. However, if you insist, then starting clen earlier would certainly help. See my previous message for the protocol I would recommend.
Good luck.
To answer:
If you're running Test-E, a lot of people front load. Which is to run 1000mg a week for the first two weeks.
20mg nolva is fine. Although I run 40/40/20/20 just to be safe haha. I feel clomid is better if you can handle the sides.
I'm not sure you'll see much on 5 weeks of var. But yes, I suppose running something extra on clen would only preserve mass.
Can I ask, if this is your first cycle, why are you including var and clen? There is plenty of info on this forum for PCT and first cycle.. Post up your plans in the cycles section bro lots of knowledgeable people to steer you in the right direction..
AnonCan't hurt to talk about it here and get some advice from fellow aussies I guess. Better to talk about my cycle then Julia Gillard right?
Best advice I can give you is this:
Save your first few cycles for putting on a decent amount of size. You'll be way more satisfied that way. Unless you have a solid amount of size and want to get really lean, a cutting cycle is a bit of a waste.
Cut naturally first, get reasonably lean then run a 12 week or so long test e cycle. You won't regret it.
geezunit ur spot on mate. First cycles are for blowing up. So Jim go ahead and cut up naturally and then use the one compound for a solid 12 weeks of bulking, you wont be dissapointed
Not a big fan of enanthate for cutting. It takes a few weeks before you get that muscle sparing effect.
Got any prop/ sust? That'd make things a bit easier.
Clen at 40mcg is pretty tame, taper up to where you feel you're not having shit headaches or terrible shakes. I was 340mcg for a while haha but don't do that.
fuck thats alot of clen... 60mcg is the highest i go. even then i dont like it
It very much depends on how you get to a certain dose. Do you start straight away at that dose or do you increase slowly? If the former, then yes, that is a very high dose. If the latter, even much higher doses have been used in research (off the top of my head something in the vicinity of 700mcg/day but built up starting from about 20mcg with weekly increases of about 20mcg).
Dosing went something like this. This is day by day
Day 1: 40mcg.. didn't feel a thing
Day 2: 120mcg.. didn't feel a thing
Day 3: 180mcg.. didn't feel a thing
Day 4: 280mcg.. tiniest of shakes
day 5: 340mcg.. feels like somethings happening. Got some headaches but that was it.
Could easily have gone way higher but I wouldn't have enough for 2 weeks.
Shit was pharma grade too.
That is very high, no doubt. When doses as high as that (or higher) were used in research, the starting done was very low as were the increments which were weekly rather than daily; getting to the dose of 340mcg would have taken 16 weeks i.e. about 4 months rather than 4 days.
Yeah... it wasn't fun haha.
All the fat burners are kind of shit, except DNP. That shit was alright.
DNP is good if you have capsules with accurate dosing...
Kinda dont want to fuck that up haha
Ive done 4 huge farts in the past 10 minutes, vars worth taking just for this hahaha, im gona go sit on crowded buses all weekend
Hahaha, fucking missed you bro.
I'm shitting myself thinking about you working as one of those elevator operators.
I like it when mrs poo walks in to see what crap im typing, she runs off and comes back armed with glen 20 then sprays fuck outa me....
The nerve of some people haha
Hahaha good stuff. Andd there's a mrs poo? Nice.
No more acrylic nails?
there is mate, and i dont let acrylic nails near my hole anymore, took ages to fish that fukn thing out..
We look so fukn odd together?
Me = 131kg
her = 42kg
Gotta be careful i dont break her, her parents dont like me either
Im running anavar at the moment, 200mg daily, love it!
Ide run it like this:
1-12 test-e @ 500mg/week (I wouldnt taper up to the dose).
1-12 anavar @ 60mg daily (high doses arent too bad for sides, big farts too!)
1-2, 4-6, 8-10, clen @ 40mcg daily (2 weeks on 2 weeks off)
AnonThat's insane amount of var, bit costly haha.
What are the benefits or decision for two weeks on and two weeks off with clen?
cheers
at the 2 week mark.it drops.effectivness fast... at this.point people.switch.to.ECA for.2. weeks.then back.onto.clen
Fucking hell Poo. Why so much var? Why not just use tren?
Sure as shit I'm impressed though.
Im not game to try tren yet, already fukd in the head..
Anavars working good mate, Only sides are... huge farts, little bit of constipation, mild headache.. Cant complain
Missus poo does have to wash her hair daily though, been parting her hair from 10 paces with these anavar farts haha
Honestly, I just got off some tren a few months ago. Not nearly as bad as everyone says. I was really tame on it. Maybe that was just me though.
Fucking drol though. I was just mad 24/7. Scary because I felt like I could kick down brick walls and probably could almost too haha.
with drol I average 1000mg weekly(150mg ED), never a drama with attitude or sides.
Fukn dbol kills me, sleep 24/7, angry, depressed, cant eat, no libido..
The anavars working and isnt causing much drama, love it!
I did 250mg on day 1 to celebrate ;)
What are you running with the var? Just test?
That sounds glorious but isn't your liver just wrecked?
Just test for now mate, gota have a break from pinning for a bit...
Livers fine mate, did 150mg of drol for 14 weeks staright...
My blood tests were fine, a week in thailand on the piss raised my liver enzymes more...
Yeah fair enough. ED for 12 weeks had me feeling too much like a pincushion.
Anyways, night brutha. Good to see you're back.
sweet dreams mate, picture me nude, covered in baby oil and glitter bouncing on a trampoline if it helps you sleep haha
Yo muthafuckaaas.
Haven't posted in ages. How's everyone doing?
Can you guys bring me up to speed on hCG. I have only ever used it post cycle at 2000iu EOD for twenty days. I've been told I should also be using it on cycle at a low dose. Since doing some online research there's nothing but conflicting information. I've even read that it should be used on cycle only
Heres a tip for ya mate, Ive got a fukn good endo.. Heres the big PCT he made me do when i fucked the shit out my body..
6 weeks:
HCG @ 5000iu (1 injection every 7 days)
Clomid @ 50mg EOD at night
Nolvadex @ 20mg EOD in the morning (alternate days to clomid)
Naltrexone @ 25mg twice daily
I ran that much gear in 14 months.. my doc nearly had a fukn stroke (so did I!), my balls were as small as a new born babys, by week 4 of PCT they were swinging again, test level perfect ect..
He has guys run clomid during cycle and thru PCT at 50mg EOD, HCG apparently loses effectiveness when injected regularly? I got sick of telling cunts in the forums coz as we all know... yanks know best!!
And given how hard to get and the cost of HCG.. why would you use it when clomid does the same shite??
Read up on clomid during cycle and have a think about it? Im not always right but it worked fukn good for me! And I dont fuck about with cycles either, there all mega dosed monsters, and this got my figs back up to their arse slapping glory.
PS... you can get HCG from the pharmacy in aus, its called ovidrel and theres no shortage, its not made from preggo chicks piss either haha
They must go to Adelaide and hit up the swarms of preggo 15 years olds for some piss up hahaha
ovidrel is the synthetic hcg isnt it? doesnt it come in pre loaded syringes with something like 5000ui in it?
when would be the best time to take hcg in a basic test cycle then? the last couple of weeeks before you go off the cycle??
ovidrel is the synthetic stuff mate correct..
6500iu per pen and $90 on script
Ide do clomid thru the cycle, then 5000iu of ovidrel day 1 of PCT
that is really interesting. goes against the grain from basically every suggestion i have seen so far.
Welcome back bro, this place has been pretty fucking dull without ya. I've seen you lurking around eroids, I was wondering when you were going come back and join us on the forum. I don't have any hCG on hand at the moment so I'll take your advice on the clomid. I'm only running a mild cycle at the moment. I don't want to lose my gains, but people were starting to ask questions after my last cycle.
What type of cycle will you be running mate? Dosages and length?
Thanks guys. I'm only doing a mild cycle at the moment of 500 test e for 10 weeks. I've only bothered using hCG when I've been stacking it with deca and dbol. I've been told that I should be using hCG even with a test only cycle
Basically, yes. Every cycle is suppressive.
100ius a day or 200ius EOD has been shown to maintain full testicular function in average men.
500ius is slightly on the low side. Unless you're short on the stuff, go 100ius ED.
Way easier to come off and also keeps the boys nice and full.
If you go about it by "what everybody is saying" or "what most people" are doing, you are bound to end up confused, dependent on trusting somebody's authority in accepting advice, and, I dare say, in most cases at best not to do the smartest thing or at worst do something really silly. Like I said, learn and think about what you are trying to accomplish here. In response to your latest question, ask yourself if a testosterone only cycle is going to suppress your HPTA or if that happens only when you add deca or dianabol (hint: it is the former).
agree 100% with the confused part
From what I've gathered from the gurus on these forums is that, HCG should really only be used on cycles that contain 19-nors or loooong cycles like deca, tren and eq for 20+weeks. That being said, if your AI and PCT regimen/gear are good, you should never need it in any cycle.
It is a common misconception that HCG should be used after the cycle. It should be used during the cycle. Think about it, after the cycle you want to restore normal HPTA functioning, yet you are replacing a part in the loop: the LH. Using HCG will shut down your LH production in the pituitary. That is why you do not take HCG after the cycle. The reason why you take it during the cycle is to maintain the responsiveness of Leydig cells, which play a part in the HPTA. You should use SERMs (and possibly AIs) after the cycle to to stimulate the entire axis.
Most guys are running it at 250IU twice weekly from the very start of your cycle and continue for 2 weeks after your last pin. Mate it makes recovery a breeze and you will never cycle again without it.
Goodluck man
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How long from u.k
anyone know how long gear from UK usually take,
I been waiting 10 days, gettin keen ya know
Usually 2 weeks
where abouts in AUS you located? to WA took 9 days.. really any longer than that and you can guarantee its in the hands of our great AUS customs!
Brissy mate
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