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+ 2 How much Tren have you ran? The Half-Life will give you the answer.

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I wanted to share some info on the half-life of tren ace so that you know how much tren you've actually ran. And if you switch to tren-e this is good to know or you could be in for a crazy ride.
The half-lift of tren-a is 24 hours.

Lets say you decided to run 40mg of Tren A pinning every day for a weekly total of 280mg.
On Day 1, you pin 40 mg → total = 40 mg
On Day 2, you pin another 40 mg, you have 20 mg from Day 1 → total = 60 mg
On Day 3, pin 40 mg again, you have 10 mg from Day 1, and 20 mg from Day 2 → total = 70 mg
On Day 4, pin 40 mg, 5 mg from Day 1, 10 mg from Day 2, and 20 mg from Day 3 → total = 75 mg
On Day 5, pin 40 mg, 2.5 mg from Day 1, 5 mg from Day 2, 10 mg from Day 3, and 20 mg from Day 4 → total = 77.5 mg
On Day 6, pin 40 mg, 1.25 mg from Day 1, 2.5 mg from Day 2, 5 mg from Day 3, 10 mg from Day 4, and 20 mg from Day 5 → total = 78.75 mg
On Day 7, pin 40 mg, 0.63 mg from Day 1, 1.25 mg from Day 2, 2.5 mg from Day 3, 5 mg from Day 4, 10 mg from Day 5, and 20 mg from Day 6 → total = 79.38 mg

From here on, the numbers continue to stay at 80mg, the most tren you have experienced at one time is 80mg. Your weekly amount used is 280mg, but that doesn’t not mean you know what 280mg feels like. And there is a difference between 80mg and 280mg.

Lets say you switch Tren-A for Tren E pinning 40mg every day. The half-life of Tren E is 7 days.
On Day 1, you pin 40 mg → total = 40 mg
On Day 2, you pin 40 mg, still have 36.4 mg from Day 1 → total = 76.4 mg
On Day 3, pin 40 mg, still have 33.1 mg from Day 1, 36.4 mg from Day 2 → total = 109.5 mg
On Day 4, pin 40 mg, still have 30.2 mg from Day 1, 33.1 mg from Day 2, 36.4 mg from Day 3 → total = 139.7 mg
On Day 5, pin 40 mg, still have 27.5 mg from Day 1, 30.2 mg from Day 2, 33.1 mg from Day 3, 36.4 mg from Day 4 → total = 166.9 mg
On Day 6, pin 40 mg, still have 25.0 mg from Day 1, 27.5 mg from Day 2, 30.2 mg from Day 3, 33.1 mg from Day 4, 36.4 mg from Day 5 → total = 190.2 mg
On Day 7, pin 40 mg, still have 22.7 mg from Day 1, 25.0 mg from Day 2, 27.5 mg from Day 3, 30.2 mg from Day 4, 33.1 mg from Day 5, 36.4 mg from Day 6 → total = 209.9 mg

I'm going to skip to day 20, this is when Tren-E hits is total amount of 262mg and stays the same until you stop pinning.
On Day 20, pin 40 mg, still have 6.9 mg from Day 1, 7.6 mg from Day 2, 8.3 mg from Day 3, 9.2 mg from Day 4, 10.1 mg from Day 5, 11.0 mg from Day 6, 12.0 mg from Day 7, 13.1 mg from Day 8, 14.4 mg from Day 9, 15.8 mg from Day 10, 17.3 mg from Day 11, 19.0 mg from Day 12, 20.7 mg from Day 13, 22.7 mg from Day 14, 25.0 mg from Day 15, 27.5 mg from Day 16, 30.2 mg from Day 17, 33.1 mg from Day 18, 36.4 mg from Day 19 → total = 262.0 mg.

262mg of Tren is the most you have ran if you pin the same amount of Tren-E, and there is a noticeable difference between 80mg and 262mg of tren.
Since most people dont want to pin Tren E every day, and usually pin 3 times a week, You would pin 20mg of Tren E every 3 days, and would reach 80mg on day 20, and it would stay 80mg until your last pin.

If you see someone say 700mg of TrenA is their max and it was crazy. They have only experienced 200mg of Tren at one time, pinning 100mg daily.
You would have to pin 350mg of Tren-A every day, with a weekly total of 2.5grams of Tren, in order to experience what 700mg of Tren feels like in the body reaching peak levels by day 7.

Compared to Tren-E you would have to pin 175mg every 3 days and on day 20 you would have 700mg of tren E in your system until you stop pinning.

I've heard a lot of guys say they cant run Tren-E because they feel terrible on it. Usually its because they are thinking they are running the same amount of tren as they did when they ran Tren-Ace, because the weekly total amount is the same. I went through this my first run with Tren-E and hated it. My second run with Tren-E went much smoother once I adjusted the dosage to be the same as my Tren-A and decided to just stick with Tren-A incase things go wrong. Tren-E takes a total of 50 days to reach 0mg in your system and that's a long ride.

Half-lives are wild. NPP/Deca are similar. Running 400mg of NPP a week and 400mg of Decca a week is completely different total amount experienced in the system.

Orals are actually pretty tricky, its best to dose orals twice a day to maintain peak levels, instead of having a constant high peak and then a rapid drop to 0. You'll have much better gains, a smoother ride, etc. But most people do not like to dose an oral if they aren’t about to hit the gym, they like to do it as a pre-workout one time a day. And it stresses the liver and kidneys more dosing twice a day, but if you have your supplements and diet in check and only run orals for 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, you can do that for the length of your cycle and by the time you come off your liver/kidneys bounce back pretty quick. Except Superdrol and Halo, they wreck numbers no matter what and for a long time. And the dosing matters, cant run huge dosages and expect to rebound quickly. I've ran 20mg dbol all year long following 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and I was surprised my organs were fine. Anadrol 50mg for 24 weeks with 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then my organs started to decline and I stopped until they bounced back. 50mg Anavar all year long 4 weeks on 4 weeks off with little change to organs.
HDL/LDL is a different story, I’m only talking about organ health. And this is just data from 1 of 1, high body fat, poor diet, no supplements, no E2 control, poor sleep, bad ALT/AST from the beginning, all can impact the effects of orals.

It’s almost bulk season, hope everyone has everything they need and is ready to blast off and stays healthy!

MountainMan27's picture

24-48 hours https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/4344?
24-48 hours https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/4344?utm_source
24-48 hours https://www.musclechemistry.com/the-half-life-of-trenbolone-acetate-enan...
24-48 hours https://www.steroidal.com/steroid-profiles/trenbolone/trenbolone-acetate
24-48 hours https://steroidology.com/2016/10/26/the-history-of-trenbolone
24-48 hours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenbolone?utm_source
24-48 hours https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/4344

I tried to find at least one to study to back up the 12 hour half life. Couldnt find it. Elsevier has hundreds of articles on the half-life of all steroids, including tren ace, with each one stating it is detectable in the blood up to 5-7 days after last pin, which equates to a 24-48hour half life, but Elsevier isn't public, you have to log in through your schools website only if you have a background in pharmacokinetics, and it wont let me screenshot or copy and paste. But who cares about science right, if you feel its 12 hours and want to die on that hill then by all means. Can't fool blood tests unfortunately. This post was to help illuminate someone on how much tren is in their system during a given time, that it is much less then you think when it comes to tren-ace and its short half-life, and much more then expected when it comes Tren-E. It wasn't to start a war based off your own personal experience and what you feel is right versus what blood tests show. I respect all of your opinions and the discussion was fun.
Happy Lifting!

MountainMan27's picture

Same here, ED pinning is the best route. It's not guys in lab-coats being peer-reviewed, its the detectable amount of tren in the blood stream. Interesting how you to went straight to gang-banging but I agree with the first part of your comment.

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

And your checking the detectable amounts of tren in your blood stream right?
GTFOH..
Go try to learn more bio, science, chemistry lingo to sound like you know what your talking about. Schmuck.

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press1's picture

Not sure he was actually ageeing with you on anything.

PrimoPantani's picture

What is the point of this post? What you’re saying true for literally any compound or drug that you ingest, not just AAS. Weekly dosage is just an easy way to quantify how much you’re taking.

MountainMan27's picture

Sharing and learning about half-lives is fun! And educational for those who dont know. Can help with future cycles.

Jockstrap's picture

48hrs half life.

MountainMan27's picture

Careful, don't go spitting facts, everyone has agreed that the scientific research done on Tren with 24-48hour half life depending on the bodies ability to metabolize is wrong and it cant be more than 12 hours because that's how they feel. Lol.

press1's picture

Bro how can you act so thick - We said 12 hours for Acetate

Jimmy1048's picture

Popcorn stuff this!

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MountainMan27's picture

Because I'm not going off of bro science or personal expereince which is not acting thick. Its 24-48hours for acetate based off every research article and autopsy published regarding the half life of Tren-Ace. Go tell the people who studied it and published their data they are wrong if you don't agree with the detecable amounts of Tren-Ace in the blood after injection.

press1's picture

Chill out man for Gods sake Lol

There is no one that will agree that Tren Acetates half life is 24 to 48 hours on this page, I am fairly sure Jock is talking about Enanthate there.

Jockstrap's picture

Nope...prop has 48hrs and falls off a cliff. Ace is barely shorter.

press1's picture

I would say Propionate is 24hrs in the real world, not 48 hours.

SeeOhShow's picture

Prop has been stated to be ~19 hours by NIH. Also gotta remember that many of these studies were likely conducted using the more common (and viscous) carrier oils. I’ve already had this argument and posted the study that shows how carrier oil has a large impact on perceived half-life. Even though someone above said that was bullshit.

Just remember just because someone has been around for a long time doesn’t mean everything they say is true or gospel. People thought the earth was flat longer than they have known it’s round.

MountainMan27's picture

It's best to just let them think what they want lol.

press1's picture

I do remember that one about Prop being 19 hours

sandman3698's picture

Don't you come in here with your witchcraft!

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Jockstrap's picture

Trying to find treads explanation but cry havok has a ton with charts too

https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/how-do-different-este...

Also you cant have a weekly total for something that doesnt exist. 48hrs and falls rapidly but counting it weekly is like counting a meal from 2 days ago. Non existant

sandman3698's picture

Well except that your body could've stored those calories and also the fact that those calories helped your body not break down.... so you can count that meal.

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press1's picture

Exactly true!! Its like saying that scoop of protein doesn't really count.

press1's picture

Of course you can - you are stating the amount of the drug that you have injected over the course of the week, no matter what its half life. Acetate, Propionate, Phenylpropionate all have weekly totals - the ONLY ones I would never quote as a weekly total is Base or Suspension because they are esterless, the same as orals. What Tread or Cry havoc say isn't Gospel just because they are High ranking members - there are many high ranking members on here, they are just opinions.

sandman3698's picture

Well that's lucky, I was actually going to ask you if you counted the -no esters- in your weekly totals. And that was how I was understanding it also. If you take 700mg of enanthate a week or 700mg ace or prop a week..... that's 700 mg a week. Whether it's slow dripped into you over the whole week or shoved into you everyday.... it's 700mg at the end of the week. Give or take depending on Ester weight lol.

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press1's picture

Exactly, and if this different way of looking at esters in terms of weekly totals is actually true - then at which point do you begin counting esters as part of a weekly total, Phenylpropionate? Isocaproate? Its totally backwards.

MountainMan27's picture

Ya this is common knowledge for those who have at least the basic understanding of half-lives and blood detection. Guys are thinking this is some google chat ai crap. It's not hard to take 24x.5= 12 >12x.5 is> 6 6x.5 is 3 > 3x.5 is 1.5 1.5x.5 is .75 > .75x.5 is .375 and you're at 5 days until your last pin of Tren-Ace is close to 0. If it were 12 hours, it would be half that. It wouldnt be detected in the blood 5 days later. This was fun though!

MountainMan27's picture

I'm pretty chill, you just dont agree with the data that's avilable and you feel personally that it's 12 hours. The half-life for Tren-E is 7 days, which is why after you pin your last dose, it's still detectable in the blood 20 days later.

Milfpounder's picture

Doesn't the saying go "if you still have friends and family you care about, then you aren't on enough tren"? Hahahaha

20ramcummins's picture

Is it pointless to run tren a every other day. Thought u could but this looks like you need to inject daily?

MountainMan27's picture

You can pin tren ace every other day, you'll peak the day you pin, dip the day you don't pin, and so on since the half life is so short. Will you notice the difference the days you don't pin, probably not.

Milfpounder's picture

Would that offset any of the sides? Seriously always intrigued by tren, but I'm predisposed to a bad temper, so tren has never ever even been on my radar.

MountainMan27's picture

Yes the more frequent injections the more stable blood levels. The peaks and dips can cause more difficulty in managing temper compared to having stable blood levels, if prone to temper, and depending on dose. For most, tren is an on/off switch when it becomes a problem, once that switch is on and you hit a dose that is hard to manage, you'll find yourself getting short with people, not caring about others, isolating yourself to avoid any chance of confrontation, arguments can escalate quickly before you recognize its you. And it takes a while until you come off to look back and notice all these changes. Can be difficult to notice them in the moment. You'll find yourself justifying your behaviour and other people are just idiots. Everyone has a different awareness of their mental health, mindfulness, and empathy for others. If these are in check and managed before you take Tren then you are much better off. If you rarely monitor your mental health and are not able to remain in the present, it can creep up and take over, causing a very short fuse and you can be pissed all the time without knowing it, then I would recommend a safer compound. I personally love tren around 100mg a day, I start at 20mg the first week and ramp up to 100mg by the 4th week. I don't handle it well when I jump straight into 100mg/day.

Pandateston's picture

How much Tren have you ran?
Let’s not go there… but let’s just say way more than what’s socially acceptable.

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MountainMan27's picture

Such a wild drug, iv'e never ran anything that makes me feel like my muscles are going to explode. It's like a 300lb person trying to fit inside the shell of a 200lb person.

Pandateston's picture

I get the whole ester breakdown and half-life on paper … it’s interesting, sure… but real life hits different.
I don’t really buy Acetate being 24h. It feels more like 12 max when you’re actually running it. And Enanthate? 7 days sounds good in a chart, but in practice I’d say 2–3 days, tops.
Everyone’s body handles things differently … metabolism, injection site, oil carrier, etc. It’s not always what the textbook says. Paper doesn’t sweat, brother man. But that’s just my opinion on this.

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irongame427's picture

Agreed, tren ace is shorter than 24hrs. For any real stability it needs to be injected everyday, and even then the daily swing in blood levels between peak and trough is significant. But way better than EOD. Everything should be injected everyday imo, even long esters. But I get lazy and sick of pinning myself so I mostly stick to EOD.

MountainMan27's picture

Absolutely. If I made this post based off my own experience, I would have to change it to Tren does nothing until you pin 150mg a day. I don't get sweats, my sleep is great, and no aggression until I hit 150mg daily then its full blown soaked sheets and 4 hours of sleep.

press1's picture

I would say if you aren't feeling side effects on Tren Acetate until you are running 150mg per day then your Trenbolone is Shit mate, something seriously wrong with it. Any acetate should give you sides at 80mg ED and over.

MountainMan27's picture

I definitely notice the changes the moment its pinned, but as far as unmanagable, 150mg is my limit. Everyone has their limit and responds to sides differently. It's fantastic tren, 200mg/ml Tren A, tested at 206mg last time I sent it in. I'm just posting info I found interesting on the half-life of Tren-A. If you don't believe my own personal experience with tren and when I feel the side effects I understand.

sandman3698's picture

How are you going to push the established half lives like they're gospel, even in your responses, and then turn around with an anecdotal defense?

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MountainMan27's picture

Because half-lives don't correspond with side-effects. Its the dosage. Side-effects are personal and correspond with the dose you are using. Half-lives are metabolic.

sandman3698's picture

Again, at the top of the comments you are all about the numbers regardless of feelings, now down here your all about the feelings?

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MountainMan27's picture

Is that hard to understand? I started with the data available, everyone chimed in on their own personal experience, I added my own person experience, and the data still stands. The half life of Tren-Ace is 24-48hours regardless of how we "feel" or own personal opinion.

press1's picture

Are you on trenbolone at the moment - because you are acting extremely defensively and touchy about something relatively minor?

MountainMan27's picture

I'm posting comments based of the research available and you're taking it personally which I dont understand.

sandman3698's picture

Being here 2 years, I'd be very hard pressed to come up with a memory of press taking anything personally.

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press1's picture

I think he's gonna be sticking to his guns on this one all night mate - we tried to educate but we failed, we can only do our best Good

MountainMan27's picture

You shared how you feel. I respect that. I also shared some personal experience as well. In the end, Tren-A and Tren-E are detected in the blood based off of 24-48hour half life and a 7 day half life respectfully.