+ 2 How much Tren have you ran? The Half-Life will give you the answer.
I wanted to share some info on the half-life of tren ace so that you know how much tren you've actually ran. And if you switch to tren-e this is good to know or you could be in for a crazy ride.
The half-lift of tren-a is 24 hours.
Lets say you decided to run 40mg of Tren A pinning every day for a weekly total of 280mg.
On Day 1, you pin 40 mg → total = 40 mg
On Day 2, you pin another 40 mg, you have 20 mg from Day 1 → total = 60 mg
On Day 3, pin 40 mg again, you have 10 mg from Day 1, and 20 mg from Day 2 → total = 70 mg
On Day 4, pin 40 mg, 5 mg from Day 1, 10 mg from Day 2, and 20 mg from Day 3 → total = 75 mg
On Day 5, pin 40 mg, 2.5 mg from Day 1, 5 mg from Day 2, 10 mg from Day 3, and 20 mg from Day 4 → total = 77.5 mg
On Day 6, pin 40 mg, 1.25 mg from Day 1, 2.5 mg from Day 2, 5 mg from Day 3, 10 mg from Day 4, and 20 mg from Day 5 → total = 78.75 mg
On Day 7, pin 40 mg, 0.63 mg from Day 1, 1.25 mg from Day 2, 2.5 mg from Day 3, 5 mg from Day 4, 10 mg from Day 5, and 20 mg from Day 6 → total = 79.38 mg
From here on, the numbers continue to stay at 80mg, the most tren you have experienced at one time is 80mg. Your weekly amount used is 280mg, but that doesn’t not mean you know what 280mg feels like. And there is a difference between 80mg and 280mg.
Lets say you switch Tren-A for Tren E pinning 40mg every day. The half-life of Tren E is 7 days.
On Day 1, you pin 40 mg → total = 40 mg
On Day 2, you pin 40 mg, still have 36.4 mg from Day 1 → total = 76.4 mg
On Day 3, pin 40 mg, still have 33.1 mg from Day 1, 36.4 mg from Day 2 → total = 109.5 mg
On Day 4, pin 40 mg, still have 30.2 mg from Day 1, 33.1 mg from Day 2, 36.4 mg from Day 3 → total = 139.7 mg
On Day 5, pin 40 mg, still have 27.5 mg from Day 1, 30.2 mg from Day 2, 33.1 mg from Day 3, 36.4 mg from Day 4 → total = 166.9 mg
On Day 6, pin 40 mg, still have 25.0 mg from Day 1, 27.5 mg from Day 2, 30.2 mg from Day 3, 33.1 mg from Day 4, 36.4 mg from Day 5 → total = 190.2 mg
On Day 7, pin 40 mg, still have 22.7 mg from Day 1, 25.0 mg from Day 2, 27.5 mg from Day 3, 30.2 mg from Day 4, 33.1 mg from Day 5, 36.4 mg from Day 6 → total = 209.9 mg
I'm going to skip to day 20, this is when Tren-E hits is total amount of 262mg and stays the same until you stop pinning.
On Day 20, pin 40 mg, still have 6.9 mg from Day 1, 7.6 mg from Day 2, 8.3 mg from Day 3, 9.2 mg from Day 4, 10.1 mg from Day 5, 11.0 mg from Day 6, 12.0 mg from Day 7, 13.1 mg from Day 8, 14.4 mg from Day 9, 15.8 mg from Day 10, 17.3 mg from Day 11, 19.0 mg from Day 12, 20.7 mg from Day 13, 22.7 mg from Day 14, 25.0 mg from Day 15, 27.5 mg from Day 16, 30.2 mg from Day 17, 33.1 mg from Day 18, 36.4 mg from Day 19 → total = 262.0 mg.
262mg of Tren is the most you have ran if you pin the same amount of Tren-E, and there is a noticeable difference between 80mg and 262mg of tren.
Since most people dont want to pin Tren E every day, and usually pin 3 times a week, You would pin 20mg of Tren E every 3 days, and would reach 80mg on day 20, and it would stay 80mg until your last pin.
If you see someone say 700mg of TrenA is their max and it was crazy. They have only experienced 200mg of Tren at one time, pinning 100mg daily.
You would have to pin 350mg of Tren-A every day, with a weekly total of 2.5grams of Tren, in order to experience what 700mg of Tren feels like in the body reaching peak levels by day 7.
Compared to Tren-E you would have to pin 175mg every 3 days and on day 20 you would have 700mg of tren E in your system until you stop pinning.
I've heard a lot of guys say they cant run Tren-E because they feel terrible on it. Usually its because they are thinking they are running the same amount of tren as they did when they ran Tren-Ace, because the weekly total amount is the same. I went through this my first run with Tren-E and hated it. My second run with Tren-E went much smoother once I adjusted the dosage to be the same as my Tren-A and decided to just stick with Tren-A incase things go wrong. Tren-E takes a total of 50 days to reach 0mg in your system and that's a long ride.
Half-lives are wild. NPP/Deca are similar. Running 400mg of NPP a week and 400mg of Decca a week is completely different total amount experienced in the system.
Orals are actually pretty tricky, its best to dose orals twice a day to maintain peak levels, instead of having a constant high peak and then a rapid drop to 0. You'll have much better gains, a smoother ride, etc. But most people do not like to dose an oral if they aren’t about to hit the gym, they like to do it as a pre-workout one time a day. And it stresses the liver and kidneys more dosing twice a day, but if you have your supplements and diet in check and only run orals for 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, you can do that for the length of your cycle and by the time you come off your liver/kidneys bounce back pretty quick. Except Superdrol and Halo, they wreck numbers no matter what and for a long time. And the dosing matters, cant run huge dosages and expect to rebound quickly. I've ran 20mg dbol all year long following 4 weeks on 4 weeks off and I was surprised my organs were fine. Anadrol 50mg for 24 weeks with 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then my organs started to decline and I stopped until they bounced back. 50mg Anavar all year long 4 weeks on 4 weeks off with little change to organs.
HDL/LDL is a different story, I’m only talking about organ health. And this is just data from 1 of 1, high body fat, poor diet, no supplements, no E2 control, poor sleep, bad ALT/AST from the beginning, all can impact the effects of orals.
It’s almost bulk season, hope everyone has everything they need and is ready to blast off and stays healthy!
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I'm not taking it personally at all, I rarely ever run it these days as I've realised its nothing but Toxic poison you are putting into your body that destroys your heart and kidneys - I'm merely correcting you on the things you are stating.
Not to mention erratic.
The definition of erratic is someone who is lacking a fixed course or pattern. I've stuck to the same pattern with every comment, the data I started with in this post is that the half-life of Tren-Ace is 24-48hours. That is the oppoiste of erratic.
Whatever you say broham.
Agreed. Fuck most people get atleast some sides on 50mg a day. 150mg of real tren a day, which is over 1000mgs a week is a shitload that really nobody needs. Gotta be underdosed by half.
There’s a dosage threshold before the sides start where you can still get great results, without the shitty side effects. But people look for the sides as a sign its real and working and up the dose to that point when it’s just not necessary,
Based on many years using Tren, this is my personal take…
No noticeable sides until 500mg/week then came the night sweats.
At 700mg/week, anxiety crept in.
At 1,400mg/week, I hit full-blown anhedonia, zero drive, zero emotion, life felt flat and meaningless.
That’s the worst part: you don’t even feel like training anymore. At that point, the dosage becomes totally useless. I ran it purely out of curiosity, wanted to test my tolerance and see if there was any added benefit. Turns out: none.
I’ve never been the angry type quite the opposite. I go silent, shut down, isolate. But that’s me everyone reacts differently.
Even with Cabergoline, dopamine/serotonin support, nootropics, whatever you wanna stack once you push past a certain threshold, it doesn’t matter if you’re pinning ED or EOD. Your system will get fried.
That's a perfect way of explaining it. I'm right around the same dosage wise and how I respond.
Obviously everyone's body metabilizes at different rates, your gear could be over dosed or under dosed, and 100mg/ml is not factoring the -10/20mg from the carrier oil used. This is just a basic understanding of half-lives and that Tren-A gives you much less then you think, and Tren-E gives you much more then you think as it compounds.
Interesting read. Thanks.
I apologize my adhd wont let me read that whole thing without distractions but i can only run 100mg tren enanthate a week without negative sides. I hate the sides and its unbearable for me but 100 gives me the results i want. Never tried acetate ever
It doesn't appear that you have factored in the weights of the 2 different Esters mate - So you will have to do it all over again!!! Lol
Ya not going to get that crazy specific, not going to factor in the weights of the esters, which is only +/- 20mg, and not going to factor in the oil used, or if the product is over dosed or underdosed, this is just a general guideline on half-lives, which is still going to make a person realize they have much less tren A in their system at any given time, or much more Tren E in their sytem at any given time.
It was just a joke mate.
anvilThe actual factor is genic ability to metabolize compounds as half life is more of an average so this whole write is flawed and you have track your own serum blood work to find out how it works in yourself. As always you and my guy SoS are even more correct then you both previously stated.
Bruh, I explained that, in the post and in the comments. It's still worth reading for those thinking they have ran high dose tren using acetate when they havent. Come on now.
anvilBruh , cmon you think you get 100mg out of 100mg after ester metabolization? I just made a comment, not a trying to ego you out. I learned a longtime ago that arguing here is pointless. You put up your view, I replied. Isn't this how a forum works? Sorry I hurt your feelings.
How'd you get feelings and ego out of that comment. Some of you guys need to chill and just take the science based info as additional tools to have. If you have a different experience then great.
Was gonna say the same thing. Smarty pants
I also don't believe the Half life of Acetate being 24 hours, more like 12 hours and I'd say Enanthate is nowhere near 7 days, probably more like 2 to 3 days in the real world.
Agreed 100% ...
Fuck a piece of paper.
when you do enanthate and it peaks on blood work in 3 days.
I feel exactly the same way though press.
And real world experience trumps what someone reads on the internet any day.
Its actually 24-48 hours depending on several factors like organ health and ability to metabilize, definitely not 12 hours.
24 hours https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002228602030452X
24-48 hours https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/4344
Pubmed hides their reports form the general public so big bummer.
I am talking from personal experience of a shit load of Tren Ace over the years, its gone very quickly. I've run 100mg per day more times than I can count, also Tren Enanthate and I will stay say no matter whatever the build up is of both esters - Tren Ace will give a tonne more strength than enanthate will. There is something about the way Tren Acetate smacks in hard after a few hours of injecting that makes it dominate.
Thanks for sharing.
Oh and since we’re on the topic of him redoing his work. He needs to throw tren hex in there as well.
And I agree on half lives. People way overestimate prop too
This guy's an expert with his whole 2 years experience running cycles.
Look at so his pix he posts. He is huge he Def knows wtf he's talking about.
Google geniuses. SMH.
anvilLMAO
Thanks for chiming in.
By all means, post the Tren-Hex half-lives for us. I would love to read it.