+ 3 My cure for Trensomnia.
I've been tweaking this sleep supplement stack for the past decade and this has been the best sleep I've ever had while running 375mg tren ace per week split between daily injections to mitigate sides. 16weeks on then 8 week break. Bloods were steady every 2 month checkup.
**This may not be for everyone but within my circle that I've shared this, most averaging 6-8hrs. If you're taking caber then this won't help you, or at least modify it to remove anything that affects dopamine. Everyone reacts differently, lower doses if waking up groggy.
Cut all water 2 hours before bedtime.
Take supps 45min before sleep with as little water as you can to get it down. Force pee one last time before sleep to hope for an empty bladder.
5mg extended release Melatonin
Vitamin D 5000iu
Kava 500mg
Valerian Root 1500mg
P5P 200mg (morning, lunch, bedtime)
GABA 250mg
5HTP 200mg
L-Dopa 120mg
L-Tyrosine 1500mg
Ashwaganda 400mg
Magnolia Bark 800mg
Saffron Extract 100mg
Magnesium Multi any will do
Magnesium L-Threonate 2000mg
Magnesium Glycinate 250mg
Choline-Insoltol 200mg/500mg
Primrose 2000mg
Nail/Hair/Skin/Biotin multi, any will do.
GH minimum 4iu four hours before bed.
Deep sleep, deep rem, glowing skin, rarely wake up before 6 hours. Averaged 7.3 during the cycle.
I remove the P5P, GABA, 5HTP, L-Dopa, L-Tyrosine, and magnolia bark during bulk. Don't run these supplements if not on tren or you'll over stimulate your dopamine receptors. These are taken to balance the tren dopamine affects and prevent prolactin buildup without running caber that can have brutal sides. If caber works for you stick with it.
Blackout curtains, noise canceling sleep plugs, high powered fan for comfort. No screens 30min before bed. Box breathing while eyes shut also helps in a dramatic way.
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Kava is great for knocking me out but it doesn't help me sleep through the night. And it doesn't work a second time if I try to take it again when I wake up in the middle of the night. I came across a thread on another forum when trying to find a cure for night sweats from deca. What I found was in reference to tren in specific but it worked for other 19 nors as well. Ill link the products below. You take a dose of each first thing am and right before bed. It worked out with the deca and low dose tren so far. The guy explained that a lot of the sweating sides is due to an over abundance of histamines in the system. These items help to mitigate that.
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Interesting, I'll have to test it out. I only get night swights on deca/tren if I eat carbs before bed. Once I switched to eating all my carbs 1st 2nd 3rd meal my nights sweats were gone but I'll look into the anti histamine thanks.
What do you get from taking p5p?
5htp been making it hard for me to wake up
Do you feel the effect of your GABA at that dosage?
Tren increases prolactin as well as causes an imbalance of dopamine depending on the person. P5P enhances dopamine synthesis by converting L-DOPA to dopamine. L-tyrosine is a precursor to L-DOPA, which is then converted to dopamine. L-Tyrosine is there to help P5P perform better. It doesn't effect dopamine directly but helps anything that synthesizes into dopamine, which is P5P, L-Tyrosine. GABA causes relaxation and a calming feeling which smooths out the tren energy. Since tren is so potent you don't really feel any more relaxed or calm you just don't feel energetic or on edge. Too much increase in dopamine can cause hyperdopaminergia, by taking GABA, Magnolia Bark, and 5HTP youre keeping serotonin and dopamine in balance. The whole goal is to stop the sides of prolactin and low dopamine without taking Caber which can cause permanent issues and mental health problems. My body doesn't agree with caber. So this is the non-caber route. You can remove the 5htp, 5htp raises serotonin and competes with the same enzyme for dopamine production. It's there to prevent hyperdopaminergia since youre raising your dopamine. The TLDR of all this is, tren raises prolactin and decreases dopamine, prolactin sides suck and low dopamine sucks, raising dopamine mitigates these sides using P5P, L-Tyrosine, and L-DOPA, but now you have the chance of too much dopamine causing hyperdopaminergia, 5htp GABA and Magnolia Bark balance your dopamine. No prolactin sides, normal dopamine levels normal serotonin levels, giving you a chance for undisturbed sleep and overall healthy mindset. Kava and Valerian root are calming and promote relaxation, Melatonin helps regulate circadian rhythm and the extended release form makes sure you don't wake up early which usually happens if you take the normal Melatonin. Magnesium in different forms helps promote better sleep and many other health benefits. I'm not a doctor but this helps me the most since I can't take caber. I only run tren once a year and the past few years it's been phenomenal each time with this stack and no sides.
Thanks for the detailed response. I take most of that stuff too just not on a daily
Tbh I've always slept very well on trenbolone, stuff knocks me out Lol
Thing I dislike the most when it comes to its sleep effects are the fucking Nightmares - some of them just seem so real and disturbing its untrue. Even more frightening is that ultimately its your own mind thats thought these things up!! Anyone else experienced the Trenmare of shagging your own mother??!
I've had that dream before. Strange it is.
And also one time my grandmother. Maybe it's something to do with the caretaking thing so we show love diff. And that's sort of our way as men. So your mind twists it in your dream only explanation i could have ever thought for it.
But yes I've had that by exact dream myself
Mate I woke up in a right panic during it all, laid there questioning myself what on earth was that shit about!!! LMAO The other dreams about not being able to get away, falling, teeth falling out are all I believe to do with anxiety in some way.
I already have nightmares as is and tren makes it worse. The thing I hate the most is I lucid dream and sometimes in my nightmares I keep reiterating that it’s a dream it’s not real and I will wake up. When it’s really bad I’ll scream wake up to myself. The wifey also says I grunt and sometimes it sounds like I’m trying to scream and can’t. She’s also woken me up many times bc it’ll wake up my daughters and they will get scared. For decades I’d smoke before bed so I don’t dream but now that I’m on gear I dont want to deal with prolactin issues. I’sleep with headphones in and usually when I wake up it’s bc my headphone feel out or whatever I listened to stopped playing. I listen to a shit load of Alan watts and ram dass to try n encourage positive and light dreams lmao.
I use to be a really good lucid dreamer up until I was about 20, I knew I was in a dream and could control anything I wanted without waking up - the trick was just to remain calm otherwise you'd wake up lol I often get the dreams on gear where you are shouting at someone and you wake up whilst you are saying the stuff!
Dude that's crazy, same here, before I switched to daily injections, I was young and dumb and doing 300mg tren in one shot, I would take a nap before gym/work right after pinning, and it would knock me out. Exactly 4 hours after, I would wake up to the most insane nightmares. Trying to run from cops but it feels like running in glue. Robbing trailer parks and getting caught. Being chased by exs dads. Thinking I could fly and pick fights with people and when I go to take off my flight mode wouldn't work and I would get pummeled. Just crazy white trash trailer park dreams. The data that says tren ace starts to peak hour 4 and onwards I truly believe. A shot of test or deca and I have zero nightmares. Haven't had one in years.
Mate Tren Ace is just sooo strong its pretty much on injection it begins to work, then yeh for sure 2 to 4 hours in its full on working. Its why it works so much more dramatically than enanthate. On the second day of lifting I can feel it when pressing and the extra CNS drive you get with it - I wonder just what % of extra muscle stimulation and contraction its able to recruit compared to when its not in you?! Buddy I've had that same kind of dream too when you are trying to run away but you are running in slow motion and they are running at speed Lol Then there is the falling one where you can literally feel the sensation in your stomach of freefalling! Before I got a lot of tooth implant surgery done due to alcoholism in my 20's - I would always get the one where your teeth are crumbling and falling out, maybe mine was more of a premonition lol
How do you do on Decca? Do you get nightmares? I have vivid sex dreams that are wild. If there's a girl in any of my dreams, my dream completely switches to a weird fast-foward skip mode where I end up having sex with her and then I wake up with just the most insane rager. It was fun at first but if I could figure out how to stop them I would.
600-700mg pw of Trem And I sleep like a baby for no clear reason or scientific rationale. Just like it is. Everyone is different. No uncomfortable dreams, but night sweats woke me up every other night.
Thats always the way I use to run it too, 80mg/day was best for if you still wanted to be able to do deadlifts and 100mg/day if it was just bench LOL I would run it with high DBol too so BP and HR were just insane as I never ran BP meds in those days. The night sweats are worst when its the middle of winter, getting up soaked and its cold in the bedroom - instant body chills. Can easily sweat out 1 to 2 litres over the night. Have you ever woken up with the crippling calf cramps also where you have to jump out of bed and push your foot down to get rid of em?!!! Most painful and nauseating thing ever.
Could not agree more! Damn cramps. I'm sure it's due to dehydration; there's a lot of sweat loss, which unbalances the potassium. If the vitamin and mineral intake isn't up to date, it messes everything up. When I have cramps, I have to stand up and fucking hard step on the floor, like you mentioned, otherwise the pain would not go away; I've never had it in my abs, so I'm already feeling blessed! Lol
I think its also down to salt loss too isn't it? Maybe something to do with the effect it has on the kidneys also - whatever it is, it ain't for a good reason!! Lmao Yeh the pain from those calf cramps is something else esp when it wakes you up and you are half asleep.
After you tried taking pure Taurine powder for cramps? 2g with a little water 3x a day works for me if I hit my water goals.
Sounds like my childhood...good times lol
You got any videos of it mate?!! LMAO
Bet there were gypsies involved too ....
Lmaooo....shit man my moms white trash, basically a gypsy from good ol Merica!
Sounds like a Good woman bro!!! Is that where your gypsy fetish originates from then??!! Lmfao
Yes sir! Got a spot in my heart for saggy tits and big bush....
HAHAHAA LMFAOOOOO!!!!!
If you suffer from insomnia, what can I use out of this list?
You could try just taking the supps that promote relaxation.
5mg-10mg Melatonin Extended release or Time Release
Kava 500mg or 750mg upper limit dose.
Valerian Root 1500mg
GABA
5htp
L-Tryptophan helps some people
Magnesium Multi
Magnesium L-Threonate 2000mg
Magnesium Glycinate 250mg
Choline 200-400mg
Most insomnia is treated with prescription drugs like Ambien or Lunesta.
THC edibles stacked with time release Melatonin helps if you go that route.
Some vendors sell carisoprodol under Pain-O-Soma in the muscle relaxer or pharmacy section. It's a muscle relaxant that can cause sedation but it's habit forming, tolerance builds quickly, and the drowsiness is hard to time since the liver has to break it down into meprobamate which causes the sleepiness.
Best bet is to try the supplements above as you take a hot bath and see if it helps. If not schedule a sleep study with your doctor so they can rule out Sleep apnea and see if there's a safe prescription to fit your sleep needs. good luck mate!
anvilNothing will change for you. Trenbolone is thought to up regulate hypocretin/orexin (Hcrt) signaling which promotes wakefulness. Melatonin and Gaba can help restore natural sleep to some degree but chances are if you don't sleep on it, unless you take more drugs to help you sleep you are gonna be awake LOL.
This is a great post! As someone who has suffered through trensomnia myself I am very curious to give this a shot! Thanks for sharing the info man!