+ 6 Test / Tren / EQ Cycle.....RIP AEROK1025---PLEASE READ!!!
I just started a very strong 16 week Test/Tren/EQ cycle. I am using ##'s gear, and I'll be sharing my progress throughout the cycle. I can't wait to see how much of a transformation I can make out of this cycle. Hope to get some encouragements/suggestions from you guys.
I'm thinking of adding HGH/Censored/Peptides for my next cycle. I have tried a few different bulking cycles before, but it seems like I can never get that "muscle monster" look. I would like to blast my upper body and have that extreme bodybuilder mass on me - if this cycle doesn't transform my body too much, I'll definitely be looking into HGH.
Thank you for reading and look forward to see what you guys post!
Week 0 Stats
5'7"
181.0 lbs
14% BF
Cycle Info
TestE 250mg /EOD
TrenE 200mg /EOD
EQ 200mg /EOD
w. AIs as needed
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Hey pal, ran my IGF1 pre HGH
010363 IGF-1
Insulin-Like Growtn Factor
Above High Normal
306
90-278 / ng/mL
Final
Have a big stack of HGH caused a lot of welts every single time I pinned it.
Now that I’m thinking about it shows a strong IGF1 for me. Maybe it won’t be beneficial as well. What are your thoughts ?
Me personally? I wouldn’t. I don’t think their risk reward ratio is worth it, especially that you’re gifted with naturally high levels, I wouldn’t screw with it. I’ll tell you something personal, I always had pretty good test levels, even after dabbling in steroids during my much younger years, 795 at 40 years old. After an unfortunate medication incident, I dropped to 454 then 375 and got on TRT, which of course led to blasting higher dosages and anabolics. Testosterone is one thing, no one wants TRT for life, but the other stuff, especially drugs that fall into the taboo area, I’d leave the stuff alone, you really don’t need it.
Makes so much sense. No need
Recovery purposes on harsh cycles is where I benefit most. I almost always get better results with HGH added than without. I have gone up to 20iu and that was too much. 10iu I get slight water retention, but can counter with diet and supps enough to make it worthwhile. Anytime I use things like tren or am truly trying to bulk up fast HGH will be there. In cutting phases I’ll use a lower 3-5iu dose or mk to boost my level. I really don’t worry about natural production as it is only suppressed while actively taking exogenous gh. It goes back up to natural levels starting 24hrs from the previous dose, and gets back to normal within a week for the majority of folks.
I don’t ever use the “taboo” here that many pros use, and it undoubtedly would produce faster/more results, but it also adds a whole nother layer of lethality and risk to your protocol.
It’s something you have to research and think about for sure. At 300 2-3IU will probably get you above natural for a period. Before I started trt super low test I was at 180. After trt got to 250-270. On 3iu Pharma it puts me at 400-500. 5iu 600-700.
You gotta have some heavy carbs with large GH doses if you’re not using the “dirty”. The “dirty” is a cofactor for IGF production.
Thats why when liver king posted his cycle and bloodwork taking 10-15iu daily he only had a IGF1 level of 160-170. He ate solely carnivore (super low carb/low “dirty/taboo”) and that made his GH virtually useless.
You will see all these dudes brag about their GH levels shooting up when fasting, but meanwhile their IGF levels (what actually matters) are continuously going down the more time spent fasting due to the lack of “dirty”.
https://youtu.be/ssVp1pTH9ak
Pretty good older MPMD video discussing this topic more in depth.
What the fuck is “dirty”
Thanks so much pal. Makes total sense
AK80Holy Moley my bad, just noticed this is 13 years old. My coffee hasn't kicked in yet. But yeah, shoulda did the above and you'd still be here.
This will always be a very relevant thread, always.
AK80Hold on, no. I take that back. The article didn't say he died from roids.
@AK80 he died from roid abuse.
AK80Yes, I figured that, though curious from what though and how much.
You guys are right now you are guys like togi and then tren twins taking tons of gear to try to get to.sam s status and now u have Alex eubank on trt at 23 and you have that guy that just trained with Larry wheels from Malta I believe he was lifting and you could see the concern in Larry's face he's like dude your turning purple like Thanos
AK80Eubank is a bitch. I like his first name though and where he's from though (obviously lol)
Guys please read this as it is an eye opener. Damn just 21years old. This type of thing has always been why I have always been cautious and have advised others to be cautious when using gear. Recklessness cannot be tolerated. I had a similar situation happen to a workout buddy many years ago.
Speaking of young guys. Remmber the kid i told ya about two weeks ago just won the npc overall at 19 years old classic physique this weekend Anton_swl
AK80Yeah Ratushnyi. When I was his age, I was 150 and natural. Still made it into the 1,000# club though. 340DL 360SQT 300BNCH But he looks like I did last summer and I'm 44 now. Jeeeeeeezuz!
It's frightening to see some of the kids questions on reddit trying to chase the Sam S tick tock glory...... I'm in no way referring this young man or his tragedy to them, only hoping the fear of the pin or the lack of discipline opens thier mind to realize... Nothing in this world comes easy, or free and potentially avoiding an avoidable fate.
AK80Something ain't right with Sam. He needs Greg Douchebag or Stan Efferding or Hany Rambod to help him out. The problem isn't Ohio. Myself, Arnold, Neil Armstrong, Travis Kelce, LeBron, Halle Berry, Steven Spielberg, etc... Now that we got that stupid stereotype out of the way (just like Florida Man and the whole Blacks vs Asians dick size) we can focus on either how much sleep he is getting or the gear he is taking.
Yet Sam documents how much he eats. This guy wanted the mass monster look and started this cycle at 181#. Everybody doing this wants to be big and believes jamming so much gear is gonna blow them up. It's ALL food intake. Hardly anybody I know personally wants to eat all these calories throughout the day and do it again and again and again X a long time. Eat food lift heavy weight and it's going to build your physique. Eat food and lift heavy weight. No gear needed
Idk what he uses but that kid trains so little, I’m shocked he looks who he does at like 22 or whatever he is. He does like 5 sets and goes home and the dudes huge. He’s got me seriously questioning my training lol
I'd say its a combination of everything - He has great genetics, he is naturally very strong, he runs a lot of gear and also responds well to it (by the amount of acne he use to have), probably eats well and purely trains/eats/sleeps everyday optimally.
And he might not do crazy high volume. But the intensity of his sets is on a Dorian Yates level. And he don't lift light. The kid did a set of squats with 585 for 12. And he goes to absolute failure. You see when he got stuck with the 315 on incline and threw it on the floor. Lol
Funny thing is he isn't exceedingly thick set or anything like that naturally, just very broad and athletic looking. Although yes now he is much more muscular and bigger. His squat has gone up since I last watched him then, remember seeing him bang out 12 with 500 like it was 135 and thought yep thats a strong kid.
Mate the first time I came across him was about 18 months to 2 years ago when I still watched a lot of Youtube before it began negging me out LMAO He appeared in the feed with his fuckin haircut and I just thought to myself, right lets get ready to leave some shitty comments in the thread!! He gets on an incline bench and with ease does 405 for 8 reps and I was left with my jaw on the floor, I was like Fuck me that guy is strong as hell for someone that looks so good and is effectively a Bodybuilder. In real money thats about 405 for 12 on a flat bench, so you are looking at a kid that can do 500 for a double. Although these kinds of guys are annoyng as shit sometimes, a lot of them are very strong. I was talking to both the Tren twins once in a thread when they suddenly blew up on gear and wracked their brains on what they ran, it turned out both of them did 405 when they were still actually natural! So again strong young guys who are actually worthy of where they are in the game of it all. Look at John Haack also, he did 445 natural in competition before he got on gear. These guys are extremely rare - but they do exist and social media brings them to everyone's attention.
AK80Is 315 for 10 on bench decent? Is 225 for 30 decent? What about 135 for 100? (I think I only hit 70 before, I forget)
He does 11 working sets per body part
I think he’s been doing less recently. Or maybe it was just that one video I saw but the other day I think he did 6 sets for back, I could be wrong tho
I gotta admit I've been around a few strong guys and he does look strong
Is he a genetic freak?
Can genetics miss a generation ?? Cause sam looked like great athleticism ( toned high diver )
And his younger brother has nothing
But maybe the discipline from being on a diving team excelled his potential in bodybuilding
Genetics has no limit. It can skip a generation or generations. I see alot of grand kids having very similar looks and characteristics of their Grandparents or great grandparents. Just depends.
I definitely believe they are altered between siblings sometimes my brother was a lanky beanpole and I was lean and defined since I was young
Yes
So you think it's more genetics than high amounts of gear? I mean I don't know. Could be both
I do believe it's more genetics than high amounts of gear. Yes
I gotcha
Push heavy as you can for 4+sets per excercise and eat right and anybody's gonna grow fast.
Nah he's doing more than 5 sets. But he's already developed the mass. Now he's bulking again so his sets won't be insane and it'll be heavy weight he was repping 375 incline bench yesterday in his latest video. So he's still training to failure and than feeding in a surplus also - genetics
Ya he’s said he used to do a lot more and over time has learned that he can get away with doing less and less and if it stops working he’ll start doing more again. Also I’m sure his warm up sets that he doesn’t count are probably sets that I would count as working sets so it probably just seems like he’s not doing a lot, but he is going to failure so I guess itdoesn’t matter how many you do
Yea he's at or close to a 500 pound bench press.
I don't know too much about the guy but it's possible he's just a freak of nature or he could be using higher dosages. There were other big guys very young like him in the past. A few are deceased
I suspect he’s using a decent amount of gear but who knows. I think a lot of people say he does crazy amount because he has shorty skin but you can see he had shitty skin before he was bodybuilding and I’ve always had shitty skin too and lots of guys do who don’t even use anything. But I get it, when you see a mass monster with shitty akin you kinda automatically think he’s on tons of steroids
Yea I didn't know that he admitted to using more in the past. I just hope the guy was getting his health checks in the past and now.
Like I said it's all fun and games until they're lying in a hospital bed. Younger guys tend to think they are invincible and that's just not the case man. Now this doesn't apply to all younger guys because some are responsible and reasonable. But social media has definitely influenced alot of folks in a wrong way.
Because these influencers leave the audience guessing. They need to be straight up. Hey this compound at this dose. Taking in x amount of calories - AI dose, etc. Buttttt they don't
I agree. But at the same time guys gotta know that just because influencers are doing something in particular doesn't mean that's going to work for everyone else. Some folks tend to react a bit differently. For example a dose for you maybe too much or too little for me. Lol they don't think about that.
Oh for sure. I've got friends telling me I'm not taking NEARLY ENOUGH FOR RESULTS. But I'm over the moon with the results I'm getting from my dosaging. Just lost a brother 3 months ago 47 yrs old. He was one always telling me to run closer to a gram of test weekly at least. He's gone. Another one just passed but he had drug problems on top of using gear. I have never ran a gram of test or any compound in a week and never will. When I first got on test I was running TRT 100mg once a week and did that for almost a year and in that 8 months made huge gains. And then I notched it up from there.
No disrespect to your friends but as long as you're really getting results with using lower doses while still being healthy then I wouldn't change anything. Why? Ride the damn thing until the wheels fall off!
Damn we kinda have the same background. When I first started running gear it was Mexican veterinary testosterone that was underdosed at 175mg/mL. At 1mL I grew and got stronger. I didn't have alot of money so I had to use sparingly and on top of that I was always cautious or scared from the horror stories I heard. To make matters worse, and I've said this a few times, a workout buddy of mine messed himself up being reckless with using too much gear. It was a fked up situation seriously man so we both can relate to those horrible things. Sorry to hear that about your brother. I don't care what who says or thinks...for me conservative dosages works. If it's not broken then no need to fix. If I'm gonna be roided out then I might as well do it carefully. I practice what I preach unlike some cats lol.
Yeah man. Bro even just a little test gives a person a BIG EDGE. And ofc Food is fucking king. I can eat when I don't even want to because I want to push or pull something heavy tommorow or the next day so I'm gonna keep my body full of energy. I knew you was a fellow gorilla in the troop, deeman! You said it. Until the fucking wheels fall off. Than I'm gonna do it from a seated position!
Yea brother not a faker here! You look good so whatever you're doing keep it up. And yea we are all Gorillas my man. I gotta admit it's nice to hear guys going lower on doses and being happy with gains instead of being greedy. The thing is we wanna make it to 70-80+ and be able to walk in gym and be in better shape and health than some of the younger guys. That's the goal! Yep yep