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I am on trt and do subq injections ED. Just easier for me to use an insulin syringe and since I inject such little volume it works well for me. I’m only on 140mg/wk though.
Just curious if any of the people who use a lot of test 500mg+ use subcutaneous injections and how it works out for them.
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Yeah, if you’re going through over a half vial a week in oil I can see the benefits, but I’m kind of hard headed old school. It’s a hard sell for me. Although your results can not be disputed lol, you’re a unit!
I think the results would be the same either way. It really is just a pip mitigation thing for me. I’ve been doing MWF pinning on my current cruise and been loving how much easier three pins is vs seven. But fuck man I hate having to walk around with pip lol. So it’s worth the annoyance of ED pins to not deal with that
Do certain esters get you worse than others? I’ve completely given up on prop and sust because of the pip. I loved the way sust hit, but it left me crippled for a couple days wherever I injected it.
That depends on what brand of sustanon that you use. I'm pip sensitive and some sustanon is rather light on pip which was surprising
I’ve never tried sust. Only prop I’ve ever done was the “Quick Bulk” that is 100 test prop and 100 NPP. It gave me zero pip. Oddly enough the worst pip in my life has been the big time international brand that starts with “Ult” their primo 100. Got it on some BOGO loooong time ago. Fuck me man that shit was worse than 150mg/ml DHB.
Like a hammer and chisel to the ass cheek? That pain is so annoying lol
Like I gotta grab onto the door frame just to lower myself on to the toilet
Some guys got it from ian valliere
I remember that guy Chase Irons saying every compound every day. Even stuff like deca and EQ. I just can’t see doing that with a drug that has a literal 2 week+ half life.
anvilBalanced levels is what the "reason" is. But that's just pin cushion city
But after the 14 days or so after your system is saturated with a long ester, would it make a difference? Would someone do this with testosterone undecanote? I’m very curious about this, if someone can convince me, I may lose my Fudd attitude and give it a try…
anvilYes because day 15 you'd be on the downside so you'd dosing again so even and balanced. I don't know of anyone doing undecenoate like this but the theory stands, the half lives of all these esters is based of detection if the metabolites not the actual drug left in your body. Like people don't even know how much steroid is left after ester/ba is absorbed, you don't get 100mgs out of 100mgs. Off the top of my head Test Prop is 80 something mgs after all said and done and its the most mg per ML of all the test esters.
Thumbs up, appreciate the explanation bro. Thank you
anvilOf course brother, and I don't do this but I understand the reasoning behind it.
There is a Superprop which is 91mgs
anvilSo I am confused, is it before or after ester and all metabolizes ?? The 91mg.
anvilis that label or after everything is metabolized ? with 9% how high is solvent ? High pip??
It's full name is 'Superpropa - Dop. Its currently being trialled in the UK by some crazy cunt apparently .....
The pip would literally make me cry
Bloody PIP - what's that??!! Once you've done a course of Tren Ace ED then you can talk about PIP and acid burn, Test Prop is nothing buddy!!
Man I had these sust amps one time, pharma grade from overseas that felt like a (pardon my French) fucking gun shot. I would up trading them along with some tren for some much needed BP meds.
I get the feeling that trading that Tren was the straw that broke the camels back Lmfao .....
I’ve bought and sold it 2 or 3 times, always decided last minute not to do it lol. Some guys love the stuff, some guys lose their marbles on it. I’ve just decided it’s not for me…
I shoot 1cc 5 days aweek with insulin pin
And 2.5 cc the other 2 days aweek with 1&1/2 inch
And i LOVE IT
All in the muscle
Every day? Wow....
Is this self administered TRT? I’m on xyosted for mine and that’s 0.5 cc (100mg) a week. It does the job.
anvilSubq depot - medically says you can put 1 cc but I would send anyone doing that a medal. There is lots of spots to rotate through but at .5 cc its still maddening. I don't know anyone doing the high doses subq.
It always amazes me how little time and patience people seem to have spare in regards to injecting themselves, it even seems to be an issue when its done EOD. Think of ALL the time you put into training, driving to and from the gym, prepping meals, eating the extra meals, making up shakes, sitting on here discussing cycle issues and problems, research etc. Then when it comes to the ACTUAL injection which for many people concerns drawing up 2 compounds into a barrel, dropping your trousers or taking off your top and pushing in 2ml of oil - Which you could argue is the KEY ingredient in taking your muscle mass to the next level and damn you would think you were asking people to walk round Disney World for the day!! You can eat all the food and protein you bloody want - BUT without the steroids you ain't turning into Superman anytime soon
anvilFor me the simplest thing I do is press the plunger in.
You can't inject hard work, diet, dedication.
We of the iron brotherhood push on, where others fail. I hate needles and it took forever for me to get over it, but here I am. Typing this reply to you with a pin in each of my delts and one in my quad. Much love brother
HAHAHA LMFAOOOO!!!! I can just picture you there Bro, laid back in the brown leather recliner in a room of full Darkness with nothing but the light of the TV snow in the background, with 3 needles sticking out of you
anvilLOL was a joke but you know what I am saying. I am cruising currently - just 200 test 200 primo m/f split.
I know buddy, I don't think you realise how funny your extremely dry wit is sometimes.
They could be scared of needles? Subq seems like scary than IM maybe?
I do know that I can do ~1cc max with a 1/2” slin pin no leakage on my quad. But that’s definitely in muscle not subq. So in theory I can do a 750-1000mg test cycle pinning with slin pins
Quad might be unhappy with me towards the end tho lol
Subq is less scary I think. Or less tedious I guess. My hgh injections three times a day don’t bother me but my once day IM shot I dread doing. I wish I could do everything like gh, 3 little units of fluid, a tiny needle, push in two seconds BOOM done
Do you guys still get bothered by normal injections?
When I do 3ccs daily? Yep. Not bothered like a fear of injections or injection pain but just like sick of it, it’s just a hassle, that’s why I switched off prop. But even now it’s still 2ccs daily, I didn’t do a good job planning this cycle lol. The plan was less injections but it way complicated to be doing different compounds in weird amounts in different days plus the amps don’t help dosing amount. I just divided weekly amount by 7. At least when this cycles over I’ll cruis on test e instead of prop
I gotta admit SeeOhShow has me intrigued on Enanth or Undec EOD now on slin pins - think it might have to be 100mg EOD for me though Bro LMAO
I have had some Sustanon 250 I've been using ED and I didn't feel much at first but then after 3 days its like BOOOOMM with the Isocap and Undec in there as it builds - seems to hold really well too and not drop off, I guess thats the Undec.
Quad injects with low pip compounds are money for me. It helps me big time with rotation.
When I hear of people doing Sub q I tend to see it as wanting to get the injection done as quickly as possible with as little effort required, so I see it as the lazy mans option LOL I was intentionally careful not to say that as I know you are a fan of sub q bro - But of course like a homing beacon you catch me on here anyway!!
Oh no no no. I’m not a sub q fan. I’m just an ED inject fan. 1/2” 100% gets into my muscle. I only have about a sheet of paper thickness of skin on my legs lol zero fat all muscle. I only use the 1/2” slins when I’m cruising because the volume is so low that even shallow IM is no problem. Full on cycle is still ED but 1” pins in quads, glutes, delts, pecs.
I will say this cruise I’ve ran an experiment just for you. MWF only 0.2ml (50mg) test C per shot. For 150mg/wk total. Not gonna lie it is easier than ED…I get bloods next Friday to see how much different my levels look MWF vs ED. If they look fine then I’ll be MWF on cruise from now on. I’m not too stubborn to try new things
Don’t you worry about scarring ED inject IM? I don’t know if I’d do ED if I was doing IM injections.
LMAO!! It could be debateable that on how it will look as you could say there will be a bit of dead space loss in the barrel but of course you use slin pins where there isn't really any. I think it will be ever so slightly lower on the EOD injections - how do you feel in yourself on EOD, does the hormone level feel as strong as ED?
Even with my luer lock barrels it has this nipple that pushes all the way down into the dome of the needle. Plus I pull in an air bubble, let it rise to the top, then stab myself and plunge down. The air bubble pushes all the gear out with no appreciable loss.
But yes with slin pins there is zero dead space. Well maybe the single fraction of a droplet that’s filling the needle.
Hormone levels feel fine on MWF dosing. Veins still everywhere. Strength still going up. Hit 143kg for 5 on bench the other day. So I’m happy. That’s a lifetime PR on cruise lol
Bloody Hell your bench has gone up a lot from what it was - that's 315 in American money isn't it. Did you find the Anadrol helped you from our last conversation or did you run something else? I have some of those groovy dead space barrels too that I got free from the pharmacy years ago lol I couldn't work out what the pointy part was for at first until people started talking about them in forums!
Yea it’s 315. Because of the Olympic background all my weights are in kgs lol sorry.
Haven’t run the anadrol yet. That’s for my next power cycle. Test/DHB/NPP with anadrol.
I’ve been on nothing but 150mg test c per week and varying doses of growth ever since I finished my bulk. I did that 12 week cut at 150 test 6IU growth after my bulk and got down to 209#. I’ve been at maintenance for about 5-6 weeks now at 150mg test and ~3IU growth. Weight is about 212-215# these days.
It’s still a pitiful bench though :(….with pre fatigued legs cranking out 8-10 sets of leg curls and then leg extensions I’m doing sets of 10-12 at 365# on squats. I’m still very much so lower body dominant. Trying hard to even it out though
That would say to me then that the HGH has been helping you with strength, or you have been specifically focusing on pressing more? All you have to do is keep doing it mate and it will go up, personally if it were me now you are at 5 reps I would increase the weight to say 155 kg and build the reps up again to 5. Or start attacking some doubles and triples then drop back down to 143 and you will find it will go up. I think your problem has always been from the way you talk, is that you make your lower body exercises such as deadlifts and squats your main priority lifts that you focus on and then bench takes a back seat and gets done when you really feel in the mood. Probably as you enjoy training them more than pressing, its always been the reverse for me as I like pressing the most and then when I have to do lower body or think I should it gets done then. Gotta remember that when you are doing squats and deads they are really taxing your entire shoulder area both the main deltoid muscles and then all the underlying rotator cuff which is making the shoulder pre fatigued in essence, and making it sore which kills bar speed and in turn strength on bench day. Those lifts also drain the amount of CNS you can recruit when benching and also affect leg drive and arching so will bring your numbers down too. If you don't already then try have a rest day before benching and you will find it will go much better. Just thought about that and I bet you don't as you train 6 to 7 days per week don't you!! lol
Guilty. I have 2 chest/tri/delt days, 2 back/bi days, 2 leg days, and then a plyo day where I do power cleans and jumping stuff. The day I play basketball I do back/bis at 6am then go play at 2-3pm.
What is this “rest” you speak of??? lol
But in all seriousness though, you’re right. I’ve always put benching on the back burner. Now I’ve done my program in a way where only back days come after leg days. My back is way far ahead of my front, so the chest/tri/delt days I feel ready to rock and roll. I train more bodybuilding style these days and don’t do singles/doubles/triples anymore. If I drop below 5 reps then I lower the weight to stay above 5. So a bench day might look like 275# for 9, 275# for 6, 275# for 5, 245# for 7, 245# for 5, 225# for 9, 225# for 5 then on to weighted dips. Oh I only rest 60 seconds between sets too.
Thing is mate is you train for a different purpose as opposed to going all out for a whacking great bench, deadlift and squat and thats great! You want to carry minimal bodyfat and be in peak condition, shape and fitness and hold what strength you can at the same time. Also you are very fit and athletic. You know yourself that if you solely trained for strength then those rest interval times would go massively up, you would concentrate on just those big exercises and do extra bodybuilding type stuff only if you have the energy for it but not at the expense of getting stronger etc. I think you would be better off making sure you do 2 bench days per week, then triceps and shoulders just once each. But hey buddy, always do what makes the happiest at the end of the day. I would also leave the Dips out of bench day too.
Dips are the “squat of the upper body” and we both know how much I love me a squat
lol
Very harsh on RTC's though buddy, I went through a big phase of doing them with 5 x 45's hanging off me and it never transferred over to my bench - just made me sore as hell when doing it lol Buggered my lower back too for deads day.