Chronic ED - Estrogen Related
Okay guys this is a tough post to write. I apologize in advance for the long post and if it's hard to follow, but please read to the end. For the past year and a half I've been having some serious erectile issues. Here's a bit of a background: I'm 28, I'm a national level NPC competitor (currently getting ready for Nationals in November), and I've been using gear for about 6 years. My weight first thing in the morning is 210-213, I'm 5'5" and I'm really lean for how far out I am. I should be competing at around 190 to give you an idea of my contest weight.
Back to the ED issue. It took me a long time to determine it was caused by estrogen. At first I believed it was prolactin related from tren during contest prep, but after getting bloods my prolactin came back <1.0 (I was running caber and it obviously worked). My estrogen was really high, at 143. I was taking 12.5mg of aromasin ED at the time, but after seeing this number, I switched to .5mg arimadex EOD. This made a slight difference but not significant. After doing some research and talking to very knowledgeable bodybuilders, I tried taking nolvadex instead at 20mg a day. At this time I was cruising on 300mg test E per week, with 50mg of proviron ED. This protocol seemed to help the most, but it came time to blast again, and the problem has gotten worse.
Here is my CURRENT situation. 500mg Test E, 400mg Tren E, and 500mg EQ along with 20mg nolvadex ED and .25mg caber twice a week. My current bloods show Testosterone at 2708, prolactin <1.0, and estrogen is off the charts because it is reading the tren as estrogen. This is the problem because that is the one number that is most important in figuring out this issue. However, and people may or may not flame me for this, the contest is my absolute priority and I'm not willing to change or take compounds out at this point. What I can do is try a different estrogen management protocol.
What I'm considering to is blast letro to intentionally crash my estrogen, then start back on a maintenance dose of either aromasin or arimadex. Bare in mind, I'm not 100% sure that the issue is caused by high estrogen, but all of the clues point there. I've taken Cialis and viagra but neither make a significant difference. I feel the desire to have sex but I struggle getting a full erection. My gf has been extremely supportive (she is also competing) and I'm more attracted to her than anyone I've ever seen in my life, so my desire to have sex with her is always there.
If anyone has had issues similar to mine, please let me know what you did to fix the problem. Sorry for the long post and thank you for taking the time to read it!
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Your current situation- nolvadex -
Silly.
You can get away with nolvadex daily if taking mild amounts of test on its own, remember its a serm- not an ai.
It will block gyno not stop or lower estro.
If you are getting ready for a competition- dont crash your estro with letro- if you do your fucked for comp.
6 yrs on gear you should know your body.
I dont care how high your actual estrogen is you dont need to crash it.
Your test numbers arent huge.
Use aromasin its easiest, no rebounds etc.
You need bloods.
Get your prostate checked.
My bet- steroid abuse - hpta shutdown.
Could look into hcg.
High or crushed e2 can cause ED
High or crushed prolactin can cause ED
Too low DHT can cause ED
Other factors can cause ED
Your brain being afraid of ED can cause ED
Use quest (LabsMD) instead of labcorp for bloods so you know where your e2 is while on tren (that's what rusty is referring to below, but I'm in a good mood so I'm just gonna give you the info)
Get bloods, and get everything in range.
You could need more than the AI doses you posted above. I need more than that on 5-600 test only (and yes, that's with pharma). We're all different. We won't know for sure til you get the right bloods but I'm guessing it's two fold. I'd lay off the caber for a little in the meantime, cuz that shit is burried.
RustyhookerFirst off.... groups.... blood group. Get the proper blood test so you know where you really are at.
Crashed prolactin also causes ed.
Post up correct bloods. Then I'll be back
So, you've got an imbalance.
+High prolactin does not cause ED
+Low prolactin will cause ED
- Caber crushes prolactin > You need to have prolactin in the right range, not too high and not crushed
+High estrogen can cause ED - get a proper test
+Low estrogen can cause ED - get a proper test
- You need to have estrogen in the right range, not too high and not crushed. Estrogen is important for anabolism and regulation of sex drive
+High test converts to estrogen > High estrogen raises prolactin > and high estrogen causes ED
- You need to have testosterone in the right range, again for anabolism, sex drive and erections
+Low test can doesn't necessarily always cause ED
+DHT partially regulates sex drive/erections > This is why proviron helped you
+Testosterone partially regulates sex drive/erections > The amount displaced/not allowed to bind to the AR's and the amount that converts to estrogen might explain part of your ED issue
- If drugs are binding to the androgen receptor and not allowing test to do so, it increases estro but can also decrease test conversion to DHT
Sooooooooooo,,,,,, you got a problem with your balance of these things. Do not make it worse by crushing estrogen. ED issues from crushed estrogen in combination with too-low prolactin take quite some time to recover from, although DHT can help significantly. Sometimes the 19-nors can actually displace test, which converts to estro = ED, the test also doesnt reduce to DHT = more ED, the 19-nor caqn contribute too by not reducing to DHT but to DHN which is weaker and also by converting somewhat to estrogen too which may exacerbate your issues.
Get a proper test before doing anything ridiculous without knowing there is basis for it. You have an imbalance and should be aiming for synergies.
actually high prolactin levels do cause ED.It is in fact one of the symtoms of hyperprolactinemia,along with low libido and sperm count.That being said,he's already on caber so chances are he's probably more likely to be low,unless he has leaky nips.
Actually, no they don't.
Factually, high prolactin levels do not regulate libid or spermicide production.
You need to do some research and also look at clinical evidence including eroids bloodwork reports.
I suggest you start here, it's a relatively accessible read
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/high-prolactin-a...
I actually googled it before I replied to you.My info came from the mayo clinic.Maybe they are wrong but I usually get my info from them before an eroids post.That being said the read did say it was kind of chicken and egg argument.High prolactin causes the body to lower ones test, now they are talking about natural, however the lower test may be what causes the libido problems but if you google hyperprolactinemia it clearly spells it out.High prolactin symptoms were clearly,low libido, low sperm count,and premature ejaculation,enlarged breast.This is one link but there are many that all say the same thing.I will however read the link you sent as well.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prolactinoma/basics/sympto...
Mmm yep. So you Google it but ended up in an info page for pit gland tumours and not hyperprolactinaemia. Per the link you shared.
Do you see the difference? The bloods posted on eroids are very interesting. You see correlations between various things. There is actually a recent tumour prl case too. Lots can be learned by us all.
The crux of it is, in the body prl is merely 1 aspect of an interconnected system. You want root caus, follow the breadcrumbs back far enough. Eg. Get ED, go GET bloods see high prolactin. Further analyse bloods see low test. Suspect tumour get checked see tumour. Tumour caused ED via cascade of effects.
Or another Eg. Get ED, see high prl, treat symptoms with caber and conclude high prl = ED. whereas blood review may also show high estrogen, high shbg, low free t, in a cycle with 1g of testo. But go further... why taking 1g test? Informed online about factually correct info on increas on gains by increasing dose... what's the real cause? Prl? Estrogen? High test? Bad decision? Good decision but not dialing it in?
Any action in these systems causes a cascade of reactions. We all tend to speak in definitive as soon as we see a bit of evidence... me included.
Day know what I mean Brosef?
Like I said in previous post I don't copy and paste so well.That being said my first comment was correct.High prolactin can cause ED but since he was on caber I suspected low,since crashed can also cause ED.I also told him to see his doctor and be honest with him about his use.Im not sure what the back and forth is about?
Note:I also took in your post and it was informing but inconclusive.
Nope it wasn't correct, the back and forth is for that reason.
It is absolutely wrong to say high prolactin causes ED.
High prolactin cannot cause ED. In extremely rare cases when it shuts off gnrh and low testo ensues, you can result in ED. The cause then is hypogonadism.
You keep saying that but my fertility doctor doesn't agree with you.That being said I appreciate your research and info.At this point we will agree to disagree.
Agreed!
RustyhookerTrue. And you cant win that argument without a 400 pg dissertation in theoretical science.....
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Lol
Completely uninformed statement. Absolute nonsense
Shit I cant even copy and paste much less cite a source.I just google it and comment.I only knew that it did cause ED in some cases because I'm natty right now and have had to deal with some of those problems.Quick cumming can also be a symptom.I must admit that giardap is a research machine!
Quick cumming is related to low prolactin in some
It's one of the listed possible side effects of the much abused Caber
Thank you brother for all this information. I always thought high prolactin was a direct cause of ED, and not low prolactin. It makes sense now that crushing it with caber only made things worse. I'm going to get bloods again and attempt to find a balance.
What is your AI of choice, and how would you normally Dose it? I rarely take high doses of anything that aromatizes, and as I get closer to the show I drop test to 300mg/wk. Other than that, it's just tren and DHTs which I may start sooner rather than later if DHT partially regulates sex drive.
Ai choice is totally subjective. Whatever works for you. Dialing it in is the important thing, you generally need to spend some time on it to get it right
It can be a tricky more for to get it right
NotNatural23Don't know if this applies to you but if you take certain anti depressants it can make your dick not work. Also other prescription meds. How is Blood pressure?
No antidepressants, and bp is always in the 120/80 area until closer to the show when I add clen it gets in the low 130s.
See your doctor and be honest with him. High estrogen can cause this but so can low estrogen.High prolactin can cause this but so can low prolactin.Jaygains is right in that you need a better testing to find out more.Im betting that your estrogen is not as high as that test showed but your doctor will be able to figure it out.
Regarding bloodwork. Im pretty sure the ultra sensitive test provided by quest will give you a proper reading. There is a write up by MegaT?? I think was the name. I cant link it because my phone sucks just search ultrasensitive and its the 1st one to come up. Talks about exactly what you experienced. I may be wrong but if you have the desire to have sex but nothing is happening downstairs may not be estro? How about Kegel excerises? Obviously your prepping and thats stressful but is your life hectic in general? Or for the past year anyway. At the end idk, but you know the best thing to do would be get off, get to the dr and recover. Wish I had some sound way to help but thats all I have. Good luck
Rustyhooker+2
Thanks for the response brother, I'll definitely look for that post and look into the ultra sensitive test.
I was also thinking it might be me overthinking in my head more than anything. It has been stressful especially competing as much as I have in the past year. Some nights I smoke a little weed and it calms me down and I can actually have sex without problems. But the last couple weeks have been getting worse, and I started my contest prep cycle a few weeks ago which is why I really do think it must be related to that.
Sometimes getting stuck in our own heads is the worst thing. If you think you have ED then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Think good thoughts brother. And try to relax.