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+ 87 My Experience with 1-test cyp (DHB) plus cycle suggestions

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I have been getting quite a few PMs with questions about running a 1-test cypionate (Dihydroboldenone) cycle, so I figured I might as well write a post about my experiences with it and what I think about the compound. I also want to say that this is not a beginner compound, so anyone using this compound should have an understanding of cycling compounds and how test affects them first and foremost.

Background

First off, it is probably best to get a little background on the compound itself. Let me state this right away 1-test cyp is NOT testosterone so you cannot use it in place of testosterone in a cycle. I think the confusion comes in the name. People see 1-test cyp and they think testosterone with a cypionate ester. The compound is actually dihydroboldenone (DHB). This is the 5alpha reduced form of the steroid you all know as boldenone. It is nothing like boldenone or EQ however. Just like DHT (which is the 5alpha reduced form of testosterone) is nothing like testosterone.

Here are my cliff notes about what I think the positives are of this compound.

  1. DHB does not aromatize. No gyno or water retention concerns here. Could be used as a contest prep drug.

  2. Highly anabolic. The androgenic ratio is 200:100. Huge potential to produce significant lean body mass gains. Has a strong affinity for the receptors and seems to outcompete testosterone in the cycle (sounds similar to what trenbolone does). I had to increase my AI just a bit while using this compound.

  3. Minimal androgenic effects. I noticed no increase in oily skin, hair loss, or increase in blood pressure. From what I could tell from researching the side effects of the compound, there were no major hepatoxicity effects or stress on the kidneys. It will shut you down though. It appears to be a pretty mild compound in terms of side effects and that is my experience with it also.

  4. Produces extreme vascularity much better than EQ does in my opinion.

  5. Seems to have some fat burning properties as well. It seems strange but while I was in a calorie surplus I was still dropping body fat! I need to investigate this lipolysis effect more. I have never run tren but I have heard that tren can have this effect as well which is interesting.

First 1-test cyp cycle recommendation

Here is how I would recommend running a cycle of 1-test cyp if you have never ran it before. Even though the compound has a cypionate ester and should be reaching peak blood serum levels around 4-5 weeks, I really didn’t start experiencing or noticing the results until around week 7. This has happened both times I have run this compound so my recommendation is to extend the cycle a couple of weeks beyond the standard 12 week cookie cutter cycle. 14 weeks seems to be optimum.

Intro 1-test cyp cycle:

1-4 Oral of your choice based upon your goals
1-14 500mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C (DHB)
15-17 (Test P taper into PCT) 100mg EOD
1-17 50mg Provi ED (AM/PM)
PCT protocol of your choice

Notes on the above cycle:

  1. The more I think about it, I like the addition of an oral to kick this cycle off. Like I mentioned before, it seems to be a slow starter and we all like seeing results right away so why not include an oral that is based upon your goals. Tbol seems like a winner here for me. Dbol or Adrol would be a great choice for a bulker. There is always the option of a test p kicker if you don't like orals.

  2. Due to the strong affinity of this compound for the receptors, it outcompetes the testosterone so I think that there is no need to go above 500mg because it is just going to cause more aromatization. Compared to my 500mg test e cycle, I had to increase my ai just a bit and I was using slightly less test this cycle so that is what is leading me to that conclusion. You would probably be just fine with a lower test dose but I chose 500 because most people have ran a test only cycle at 500mg/wk and can therefore get a good feel for how much extra the DHB will add to the cycle.

  3. I chose test C to run with the cycle just to keep the esters the same but it would be no big deal obviously to use test e instead or even Sust if that is what you are used to .

  4. Tapering seems like a good move to ease into PCT. If you like it great, if not, cut it out.

My first cycle of 1-test cyp.

This is the exact cycle that I ran for my first go of 1-test cyp and my notes and thoughts about the cycle after I ran it.

1-14 400mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C
HGH 4iu/day
4-14 Arimidex .25mg/E3D

That cycle sold me on 1-test. I exploded and put inches on everywhere. My shoulders gained 2in, 1in on biceps, 3in around chest/back and lost ½ in around waist. By the end of the cycle I had gained a solid 9lbs and dropped 3% BF. I say a solid 9 lbs because I retained all of it after PCT, including most of the inches, so it was good lean mass and not all water weight. The vascularity and strength gains were pretty insane. The vascularity effects I received from it lead me to believe that this would be an excellent pre-contest compound. My biceps looked like I had fire hoses running through them and I had spider web veins spreading across my chest and shoulders. All of this was noticeable with a BF of 9-10%. I can only imagine the results at 4-5% BF. Towards the end of my cycle when my BF was the lowest, I also noticed that more dense, hard, and grainy look to my muscles. Once again I can only imagine how that would have looked on stage at 4%, but I was still impressed how it gave that hard polished looked at 9%BF.

I noticed no negative side effects from it. I had tons of energy, libido great, no mood swings and didn’t experience any insomnia. Alpha feeling all the way. The one thing that I did notice was that I still had to keep up with my AI, a little bit more than what I needed for a test only cycle at 500mg/wk. 1-test supposedly doesn’t aromatize to any appreciable degree so my increased use of AI has me somewhat perplexed. I am just speculating here, but this could be due to the fact that 1-test has a much greater affinity for the receptors than the test which may be leaving more test left over to aromatize.

I should also mention I experienced no pip from this compound. I had two different brands during my run and both were smooth. Many people seem to shy away from this compound because they here of these pip horror stories from it. I should mention that if you are allergic to EO, guiaicol, and all that stuff then this is not a compound for you. This is one of the hardest compounds to keep in solution and some hefty amounts of solvents are present in it.

As far as dosing with this compound, I see no need to go above 500mg. This stuff is strong and the results are dramatic. It is supposedly 5x more anabolic than test and I believe that to be true. The test only cycle I ran fails in comparison with the addition of the 1-test and I was running less test during this cycle.
I think 1-test is a very versatile compound and as always your diet will dictate the results. I really think it would particularly shine as a cutter since it doesn't seem to aromatize to any appreciable degree and it really seems to bring out awesome vascularity as well as polishing the muscles with that hard, grainy and dense look. My next contest prep is likely going to include 1-test with either mast or var and very low test.
I am going to be starting an EQ run in a week, so it will be interesting to compare the two. They say that about 5% of EQ converts to DHB.

I am also currently running a cycle of 1-test cyp in preparation of a show I will be competing in. This is an all-out cutter cycle and I am about 7 weeks into it and things are really started to take shape and pop. Current cycle that I am running now is somewhat similar to the example cycle below. the length is different and things are going to be changed the last half of the cycle to accommodate show prep but it would be a good example of using this compound in cutter:

Example Cutter Cycle:

1-14 250 mg/wk Sust (That 250mg is split between 3 shots taken M/W/F)
1-14 600 mg/wk Mast E
1-14 500 mg/wk 1-test cyp
7-14 50 mg Var ED
1-14 50 mg Provi ED (AM/PM)

I have a cycle log started of my current cycle and this will give you an indication of how this is working in a cut.

Excerpt of my latest log for my current 1-test cyp cycle:

Current stats:
175.8lbs
BF% 7.98%
LBM 161.77

Change from last week:

-0.48% BF (lost 1lb fat)
lost 1.4 lbs (.4 lbs was lbm)

Change from start of cycle:

Trimmed off 3.1% BF
Lost a net weight of 3.8 lbs (5.9lbs fat)
gained 2.07lbs lbm

Notes:

13 weeks until showtime.

I have lost almost 6 lbs of fat from the start of the cycle and gained just over 2lbs of LBM. The gear really seems to be kicking in now. It was around 6-7 weeks when it kicked in last time with the 1-test cyp and is no different this time. Vascularity is really starting to pop and the muscle bellies are really plumping out. I have also increased my water intake to 1.5 gallons/day and my goal is to get up to 2gal and stay there until prep week. Calories still at 1900/day.

Somewhat disappointed in the small lbm drop from last week. If LBM continues to drop I may increase calories a bit.

Hopefully I have given you some idea on how to run this compound. Once again I will be happy to answer any questions I wasn’t able to address in this post.

Fugitif213's picture

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaase a uk source ive been stuck for 4 months now looking

Dacky's picture

FR sent.

Fugitif213's picture

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaase a uk source ive been stuck for 4 months now looking

JARHEAD2's picture

With all the DHB excitement as of late, this is a good post to bump

exoticnfit's picture

Agreed.

How did this go Makwa?

Makwa's picture

Well, DHB is my favorite compound of all time. Is going to be a staple of all my contest preps from here on out. Outshines, primo and tren. DHB does it all with minimal sides, other than some pip. Ran it many times now and I know my initial recommendation was to run it with 500mg of test but I have found that it is much better to run it with just a trt dose of test. For a real treat stack it with EQ.

Hunter2400's picture

200 test cyp
400 DHB
400 Mast E

Per week

What say you??

Makwa's picture

Assuming you are cutting? I would probably bump up the 1TC to around 500 and drop the mast. Need a lot more info from you to get something set up, but in generic terms I am not a huge fan of mast for anything but a competition or if you get into really low body fat, cosmetic drug only in my book. Not very anabolic. I would rather be putting something into the barrel that is more anabolic than mast.

Hunter2400's picture

Thanks for the response. And yes this is a cutting cycle. I too agree with the consennces about Mast and it's low anabolic rating. I do like to use it for summer cuts though but never go over 400 and only when dropping below 10%. I may start with just the DHB and low test to get a feel for how that's working and add in the mast later.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

DHB does not aromatize. No gyno or water retention concerns here. Could be used as a contest prep drug.

I had to increase my AI just a bit while using this compound.

How come bro?.................... you got me bamboozled here:)

Minimal androgenic effects. I noticed no increase in oily skin, hair loss, or increase in blood pressure. From what I could tell from researching the side effects of the compound, there were no major hepatoxicity effects or stress on the kidneys. It will shut you down though. It appears to be a pretty mild compound in terms of side effects and that is my experience with it also.

That statement backs up my theory of NOT having to use AI at all.

Makwa's picture

You know the whole thing with upping the ai a tad bit more has me bamboozled as well. 500mg of test stacked with EQ I don't need additional ai or adding in an oral like var/tbol with 500mg of test doesn't need require me to up ai based on just a 500mg test cycle. Now add in 1-TC and my estro climbs a bit compared to straight test e cycle. Bamboozled indeed. Based upon what happened with the 1-TC you would think something similar would also happen with those other compounds but it does't.

I may be farting in the wind here but the only lame reason I can come up with is the 1-TC preferentially binds to the receptors compared to the test leaving more test so called "floating" around to aromatize. Or maybe my body was just in a funk for that particular cycle. I would really like to find out why or come up with a solid reason because I get asked about it alot. Anyway, I am going to try and get to the bottom of this during this cycle.

House's picture

So just like tren. From what ive understood best way to run tren is higher than test like 250mg test ew and like 400mg tren ew because they fight for receptors when test is dosed higher theres more sides?? More test floating around to aromatize? Thanks for your exp on this.

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true grit's picture

I too believe that running high test with either 1tc or primo, both dhbs with very high binding affinity, allows the test to be wasted and higher chance for aromitization. I think that's why people have a tendency to run both of these compounds incorrectly. My 2 cents

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

you know what you might have just nailed it with the floating test theory.............it has to be a superior binding effect from the 1test ............ just sat here thinking about this it makes sense and i would be inclined to swap out the test completely and run Equipoise in its place....... you know i and others have run EQ without a test base and had no issues, this may be worth experimenting with to end your AI conundrum.

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run EQ without a test base

Knock it out completely or run small trt dose alongside?

I keep reading that apparently about 5% of EQ converts to DHB. The whole running EQ stacked with DHB has me wondering what the outcome would be. Would I essentially be duplicating the EQ effects which would be overshadowed by the DHB because it is supposedly a much stronger compound or would there be some type of synergy? Would kind be like running test with a pure DHT derivative and we know the positive results of that combo so would a similar beast emerge with EQ and its derivative of DHB? Got my wheels turning here. Has me wondering because I have tried to dig up logs of that stack but not many people have ran that combo from what I can find unfortunately.

robxl12321's picture

you OG's could literally run your own hormone clinics this shit i just read sounded like it came strait out of a doctor's office lmfao. thats all that experience that people dont take advantage of when its offered

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AlexDavis43's picture

Derek the more plates more dates guy did it so why not. People are monopolizing on this and making real money, it seems.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Frankenstein had to experiment bro lol........... the more i weigh this option up in my mind the more it makes sense, if i was you i would go for it...... watch yourself real closely and adjust to a TRT amount of test if necessary.......my mind says you will not encounter problems but instead will see the synergy that you mentioned above, what we must now dwell upon is how to dose the EQ for best effect...... 300/400 sounds like a stable starting point to me... you could titrate that up/down depending on your in cycle bloods.

thoughts ????

Makwa's picture

It is actually refreshing to think out of the box for a change. What I would initially be thinking as a starting point would be running 500mg of DHB as the base of the cycle and the EQ would be fitting in there to complement it. I have ran EQ up to 600mg but that it the big question here I think....EQ dosing. I do have some Bold cyp so maybe that might be something to consider to adjust plasma levels more quickly to get the boldenone dose really dialed in. I am also just thinking of maybe 125mg/wk of test undec (my TRT). Real question here is figuring out a boldenone dose to get maximum synergy from the stack.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

yeah .... my thoughts were to remove the test completely so that we allow nothing but the DHB and low EQ to benefit from unclogged receptors and allow their full binding affinities to take effect.... this is going to be an Androgen driven cycle so i see no point in having test (even low dose) floating around with no receptors to hook into and just waiting to aromatise........... you mention anavar? i mean that itself is more Anabolic than test so i wouldnt bother running that either...... mid cycle bloods is going to be key here bro, if you need to add some test mid or two thirds through the cycle i would be looking at a short ester like prop, instead of waiting for a long ester to peak.......... it may never peak if it is unbound, but with a short you should know within a couple of days so you can fine tune at that stage.............. your bold cyp idea is what i would do bro, like i say it does need experimentation and in cycle tuning but if you pull this off i think this could be a new era cycle for a recomp or maintenance type cycle...... i am still not convinced it would satisfy folks that prefer a heavy bulk with the trifecta of classic test/19nor/DHT combo........... but! for a guy that already has a significant physique this DHB run would be a boon for holding size and getting cut and rock hard as a bonus.

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What I think I'll do here is run the cycle out to 20wks and replace the 400mg of test C with 400mg of EQ. The boldenone dose I'll split 200 Bold Cyp and 200 EQ and use the bold cyp dose for tweaking throughout the cycle if need be. I am just wondering about a possible oral to kick with since EQ is and the 1-TC take a fairly long time to get rolling. Adrol or tbol come to mind right away but I am not sure which direction to go or just skip an oral completely. I'll be monitoring body composition and calorie/macro intake to see what type of changes this cycle produces.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

are you running TRT now? if so i wouldnt bother with an oral in the mix personally........... you get that diet perfect (which i know 100% you will) and i predict the best lean gains ever........ i dont think the scales are going to break but the mirror will be the referee on this one, nice full round hard bellies........ see with me having this lean/hard effect running through my head with this layout, i would be tempted to add the Anadrol for the last 4wks to stress the fascias and push the veins out for a super slick finish..... due to lack of aromatase any water you have will be IM (not subQ) so you will see fantastic effects from the Anadrol.............. thoughts?

Makwa's picture

125 mg Test C for my TRT. You think just continue on with, decrease dose or drop completely maybe? I can stick with the adrol for the last month or two but I can make that call based upon what I am seeing towards end of cycle.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

i asked due to looking for a kicker bro............. the last trt shot will be in your system for a while so i would say run this cycle test free unless like we spoke about above that you "feel! the need for some test ... if so get it in your system fast by hitting some prop or TNE if you want it really sharpish!

if you continue with the trt dosage and notice aromatisation (floating/unbound) you will know for sure its that so can drop it at that stage if you want........... your choice brother, but i would be tempted to see what the stack can do without test..... that would be my choice if i was going to run the stack proposed.

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Well, what I think I will do is hit my last trt shot for a little kick going into the cycle and then start this cycle the next day and drop test for the remainder of cycle. If things start going south with energy levels particularly I'll add in some prop as needed. It will be interesting to see where this goes without test in here. The real unknown which I am curious about here will be the dose of boldenone. 400 enough or too much?? Come mid cycle I should have a good idea on if that dose is contributing much.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Excellent!............. please do keep me in the loop with this one, im intrigued to know the results and how/what gets tweaked for whatever reason.

I really feel you are going to have a blast with this one...... no water or aromotase problems to fight with, just pure concentration on the food and work ethic....... just how i like things to run, i hate complex high maintenance cycles they sort of take me over somehow and other things suffer........ ive enjoyed this thread it got me thinking on a proper level............. thanks and good luck bro Smile

Now that this is wrapped up i can go back to reading about var or dbol cycles ........ ah well :/

Dacky's picture

I have lived following along here. I've learnt a bit and it's given me some serious food for thought. If we do see any 1-test become available in the U.K. I will definitely consider something similar.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

i thought guys like you would be taking it in..... yeah you would do alright with an array like this bro, like i said previously it is ideally for a guy that already has a solid foundation, it would be totally useless for newbie... so if any newbies are reading and thinking they will run this, my advise would be save your money bros... if you cant control simple test standalone you defo will not be able to control this bad boy.

Dacky's picture

Exactly fella. This kind of stack would be a logical step for me on a bulk. I totally agree this is not a stack for a novice user and it does require not just a solid base but also total control over diet and training protocol plus the ability to really listen to your body given no test being run (well unless your body tells you it's needed. Now as I keep mentioning we just need a source who delivers to the UK to stock the 1-test cyp. :-)

Makwa's picture

I'll start a log of this in the cycle log section so people can kind of stay in the loop with what is happening with this. Should be firing this up in the next week or two.

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Great!........... shout if you need me for anything bro Smile

i might not run with the eroid crowd these days but i still like to dabble in a liddle bit of stack Kung Fu lol

Makwa's picture

Thanks. Will do.
I'm looking forward to some big results.

One question that comes to mind right away here is the use of provi. Provi doesn't do much to my estro, so I am wondering if there would be any benefits to including it in this cycle. Pretty heavy on the androgens already so I am thinking it may be overkill in that respect but may provide some good mood enhancement.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

i wouldnt bother to be honest bro, try it if you like.. it wont upset the other compounds but i dont see a specific reason for it to be in there.

Makwa's picture

Think I am all set here. Now we will just see what type of in-cycle modifications might be needed. I'll definitely keep you in the loop here. Thanks again.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

yeah sounds good huh bro.................. ive enjoyed this thread it got me thinking for change , you know how i like to work a stack Smile

Mrcoolbeans's picture

Old post I know, but wanted to say thanks. Glad i found this thread. Although i doubt i even run this compound do to me just now hearing of it and never seeing it available, still nice to know how it works etc. Thank you

Makwa's picture

I just read through this again and it is pretty interesting how things have come full circle and I am pretty much running the exact same cycle again about 2 years later. Just goes to show you don't need to keep jacking up the amounts year after year thinking that is the only way to make gains.

Mrcoolbeans's picture

thats how i found this thread, after seeing your post on running this again, i searched to see what this 1test c was. Great explanation

Makwa's picture

1-14 250mg/wk Sust (That 250mg is split between 3 shots taken M/W/F)
1-14 600mg/wk Mast E
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test cyp
7-14 100mg Var ED
1-14 50mg Provi ED (AM/PM)

I get a kick out of that example cutter cycle. Oh, brother, I tried running 100mg of var and the cramps were so bad I couldn't even wrap my fingers around the dumbell. lol I probably should revise that dosage to 50mg instead.

SuperBrish's picture

Awesome article and wanted to ask if pushing a similar blast like this to 20 weeks would be too far? I'd drop the oral after first month. I'm TRT btw.

Tbol or var kicker. Have both on hand and was potentially going to kick off with one and finish with another. Not necessarily looking for a cutter cycle just something dry enough for summer. Was potentially thinking of lowering test to 400.

500 test cyp
500 mast e
500 DHB
4-6iu GH

Thanks for all the great info you provide I really appreciate it.

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DrManhattan's picture

Great thread man. Thanks for posting. I've been curious about DHB for a year or so. I want to convince my source to find some for me. I've never seen it sold before though.

Makwa's picture

Very few carry it. I only know 2 that do right now. It is a very difficult compound to keep from crashing and requires some heavy duty solvents. Too much of a PIA for most sources to deal with.