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  • EditDHB Boldenone BULK

  • Makwa   •   Sun, Nov 6th, '16 18:20   •   54 replies, 1053 views

Cycle layout

WeekDHBEQBold CypProviAdrolMeforminHGHIGF-LR3
1600mg200mg200mg
2600mg540mg03.33iu25mcg
3600mg540mg03.33iu25mcg
4600mg540mg03.33iu40mcg
5600mg600mg04iu40mcg
6600mg600mg0850mg4iu
7600mg600mg0850mg5iu
8600mg600mg050mg850mg5iu
9600mg600mg050mg850mg5iu
10600mg600mg050mg5iu25mcg
11600mg600mg050mg50mg5iu25mcg
12600mg600mg050mg50mg5iu40mcg
13600mg600mg050mg5iu40mcg
14600mg600mg050mg850mg5iu
15600mg600mg050mg50mg850mg5iu
16600mg600mg050mg50mg850mg5iu
17600mg600mg050mg5iu25mcg
18600mg600mg050mg5iu25mcg
19600mg600mg050mg50mg5iu40mcg
20600mg600mg050mg50mg5iu40mcg

Description, concerns and expectations

After some thought and discussion my next bulk is going be based on DHB and boldenone. The discussion leading up to the design of this cycle can be found in this post.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-experience-with-1-test-cyp-dhb-plus-cycle-suggestions

After the initial glycogen load I would expect the weight gains to be primarily quality mass since there should be essentially zero water retention here. Not expecting huge jump in scale weight because of that but I will be keeping track of body comp to assess what is happening.

Big variable here is the boldenone dose so that is why the bold cyp is then to get a little quicker response with dose changes if needed than would be seen with EQ.

Cals will start out 500 above TDEE for first month or so and will be bumped up to 750+ once I feel the compounds are starting to peak. Later in the cycle when the metformin and adrol are introduced cals will be 1000+ above TDEE.

I'll be logging everything here on a weekly or bi-weekly basis depending on what type of changes I am seeing.

Decided to add in some HGH and IGF-LR3 into the cycle. Will work my way up to 5iu/d of HGH. The IGF will be taken immediately post-workout on training days, none on my days off. Really hoping for some hyperplasia with the GH/IGF combo. If anyone has some thoughts on a better dosing protocol let me know.

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  • Makwa's picture
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  • Makwa
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Weight sitting the same as last week. Had to drop the HGH back down to 3iu. The numbness in my hands/elbows was driving me batshit crazy. It was interfering with my sleep and and workouts. Could barely bench the other day because of the numbness/tingling in my wrists. Going to have to see what 3iu can do from here on out. Didn't take any GH over the weekend to help resolve the issue. I think I dropped a little water weight, hence the scale didn't go up. Probably put on some lean mass over the course of the week though since I dropped some water but scale stayed the same.

Going to bump the EQ up to 800wk and add in my trt dose of test C at 125mg/wk now. 1-TC will continue to be at 500mg/wk.

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  • Dacky
  • 4 weeks ago

So how's this tracking now Mak?

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Just finished up wk 9 and I am up 17lbs with no increase in bodyfat. I think the GH is keeping bodyfat in check even with my cal surplus. Up to 6iu/day now. Got some good EQ now that really has cut down the pip of the 1-TC so I was able to bring my 1-TC from 400mg up to 500mg/wk now. EQ dose is sitting at 600mg/wk now. Strength and endurance is through the roof, probably more so than any other cycle I have ran. Unfortunately no uptick in hunger from the EQ. Thinking about bumping it up to 800mg to see if that makes a difference.

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  • propkick2
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Any comment on sex drive with no test?? Any increase in vascularity from EQ yet? 17 lbs is solid!!, how do you feal overall??

  • Makwa's picture
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libido is about the same as with my trt dose, not great but not bad either. Don't really notice to much more vascularity since my bodyfat is sitting around 15% now. Feel good cycle now that I got the pip under control. Was miserable at first.

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Sounds like it's going very well indeed. How about some GHRP-6 for extra hunger if it's really needed?

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  • Makwa
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End of wk 6 and up 14 lbs. Absolutely no subq water weight. The EQ/DHB is a nice dry cycle. Put on just under 4lbs this wk with no change in skinfolds so all quality weight. The week before I dropped almost a half pound because I cracked a tooth and it was very hard to eat. Got that fixed so I made a comeback this week with a rebound of almost 4lbs.

I don't know what was up with all the knots and test flu. I think it was from the EQ I was using and not the 1-TC which is strange. I popped open a new bottle of EQ and low and behold no more knots, pip or test flu. Feeling much better now. I had dropped the 1TC down to 500mg the last couple weeks thinking it would help with pip, but now I am going to get it back up to 600mg/wk since I don't think the 1TC was the issue.

So far I think this is one my most productive cycles/bulks ever. Just getting started and up 14 lbs without a lick of fat or water retention. Thinking the GH/IGF may have something to do with that. Going to run the IGF for one more week here at 40mcg and then take a break from it.

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Impressive Makwa, are you taking measurements? (not skinfolds)
Funny you chipped your tooth, I just chipped my second top left molar last week as well. The temp crown is helping so far, how are the weights going?

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  • Makwa
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Put on another .5lb this week with a slight drop in skinfolds. I think the actual weight was more cause I was little dehydrated when hitting the scale. Weighed the next day and I was up 2lbs from the week before which seems more realistic because I was fully hydrated in the morning. But to be consistent I'll stick with the .5lb increase, so that puts me up about 11.5lbs for the first month

Strength is still climbing and I noticed a pretty significant bump up in my endurance this week. Seems like I could keep going in the gym forever. 25 mcg of IGF has me walking around with an eternal pump. Learning to live with the pumps in the gym and they are not so painful anymore. Going to bump up the IGF to 40mcg this week to see if I notice a difference and the HGH will go up to 4iu.

Damn knots from the 1-TC are killing me. Making it very difficult to do legs or even move around for that matter. Going to have to split up the injections into smaller amounts and more frequent injections to see if that makes it more tolerable. Seem to always have a slight case of test flu with it so I am hoping the smaller more frequent injections will help everything out.

Hardest part is eating. Test flu seems to be killing my appetite. Going to have to force feed cause I can tell when I get a good day of food in my weight seems to jump up. There will be some killer gains coming if I can get in that 1000cal surplus. Seems like the combo of HGH, IGF and AAS have my nutrient partitioning geared to all LBM. The sky will be the limit if I can get the cals down.

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what's about diluting the 1-TC in pure ethyl oleate? Maybe 1:1 and even more.
Because I was mayself looking for sorces for EO, I've seen in Europe uklabsupply.com and lab-supply-shop.com, but have no experience with either or.

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Thanks for the update, i look forward to hearing about your progress every week. The EQ should fully kick in soon so hopefully that can help you with your appetite.

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It would be nice to get an appetite boost from the EQ but it didn't happen with my last run of it so I am not expecting it to be different this run unfortunately. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it will though.

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How's your pins set up? 1test causing pip so wondering on your blending. It might mean ed pins.

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I have been doing pins 2x/wk (mon/thurs). 1.2ml of 1-TC (250mg/ml) and 0.8ml of EQ (350mg/ml). Did a trial shot in my delt yesterday with 0.4ml of 1-TC and 0.2 ml EQ and it feels fine today. Plan now is to do 0.8ml 1TC with 0.8ml of EQ (300mg/ml) 2x/wk and 0.4ml 1-TC with 0.2ml of EQ in the delts 2x/wk. If I am still getting pip in the glutes I'll add some more EQ to cut with and hopefully I find an answer then.

Quad shots are out of the question with this stuff so I'll stick with glutes and delts for now. I also have another lab 1-TC coming so I'll give that a shot once it gets here to see how that sits. The brand I am using now has worked fine for the last two runs of it but it has now all crashed and I had to get it back in solution. It is staying in solution but I am getting severe knots regardless now. Strange.

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  • Pericu
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Definitely in for a follow. Excited to see how it goes :)

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  • mujeriego
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Interesting schedule of metformin and igf. I can see you're running them in 4 week intervals. Is your thought process to avoid desensitization of either compound? Since they're both great at increasing insulin sensitivity and glycogen supercompensation. I always wanted to try metformin but some studies I read on it inhibiting mtor put me off a bit

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The IGF only seems to be effective for about 4wks or give or take a few so it needs to be cycled to allow receptors to refresh. In the downtime I was looking at the metformin to help with my insulin sensitivity since am bulking and will be eating alot which can tend to initiate insulin resistance quicker. The metformin isn't set in stone so based upon what I am seeing with the calipers and scale it may not be needed at all if the IGF is doing a good job at maintaining my insulin sensitivity. The cycle of IGF may be sufficient to get me through to the next IGF mini-cycle. So if my nutrient partitioning is good and I am not gaining much fat I won't take the metformin.

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Yea exactly right hgh with a decent calorie surplus can definitely be a catalyst for increased insulin resistance though your hgh doses are at a nice level. That was exactly my thought too as like you said igf I usually run in 4 week cycles as well. I've found that usually the 4 week intervals are enough to keep you going. But I had the same thought process as you and wanted to try metformin as well to keep the effect going and make the cycle more optimal. I'll keep an eye on your experience if you do use it and might give it a go next time around in a lowish dose

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  • Makwa
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Put on another 1.4lbs this week with a very slight drop in BF. So, scale is still moving in the right direction. 10.2 lbs in 3wks with a very slight decline in BF. I think I could have put some more weight on this week but but I ended up with a good case of test flu (I guess it would have to be DHB flu in this case). Stuff is giving me some pretty intense pip in my ass on about the 2nd day after pin which lasts for a few days or more. Kind of took away my appetite. I'm going to drop the bold cyp and increase my EQ up to around 600mg so I have more of it in the barrel to dilute the DHB and help with pip.

Towards the end of this week I really noticed a bump in strength. I was able to pump out a couple extra reps more on pretty much all of my lifts. Time to increase the weight to bring the reps back down into my target range.

I also started on 3.33iu/daily of GH along with 25mcg post workout of IGF1-LR3. That IGF has me walking around with an eternal pump. Getting back pumps just walking down to get the mail and my arm gets so pumped holding the phone up to my ear that I have to keep switching hands to keep my biceps from exploding.

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Love hearing this brother! keep pushing.

Any special meals today youd like to post up? whats your pre workout meal looking like today! :) just got a big pack from a buddy of mine with his sponsors supps, so im super excited to use his pump/pre workout its the best and really wakes me up!

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  • Makwa
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Man, my knees are starting to snap, crackle and pop. It is either the -35 degree windchills or my estro is getting to low. Might have to pull some bloods early to see whats up if these old joints keep crackling like they are.

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Have a read bro - http://mindandmuscle.net/articles/anabolic-steroids-equipoise/

Bold can convert to a potent AI in some. This happens to me. I had very low estro at 900mg of Bold Cyp with 600mg of Test and 50mg provi. Had to drop the provi all together to get my estro to mid range. If this is happening to you it's gonna be even worse given the no test. Just a thought but bloods will show what's happening.

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I have ran bold up to 600mg before without having to adjust AI compared to just a test only cycle so I don't think it is converting into an AI. I just think it is the cold weather. Hasn't been above zero for a couple of days and -40 below windchills once again this morning

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After the theory spread around - 600mg Bold should convert to as much estrogen as 300mg Test. This is the effect of those boldenone metabolites, they just lead to less estrogen production out of boldenone when compared to testosterone - they do not make bold to an AI.

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The article I linked states - "boldenone is metabolized to 1,4 dienedione which is a potent aromatase inhibitor". That's what I was referring to. I have some very real life experience of this happening.

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If you really test your estro - I would also like to know if the estrogen from ~400mg bold / week is not enough to balance 600mg DHB.
Apart from that - maybe the additional 8.6 lbs together with increased strengh do add to your knee problem.

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I would still pin the igf-lr3 on your off days, even if its half dose. I cant scroll properly atm on ph, but be carefull if the eq and anadrol overlap together- the massive rbc increase will shoot you into hypertension, thick blood the fatigue, dizziness, nausia, headaches etc will follow keep an eye out for red hot tingling feet especially in the shower- tell tale sign its approaching and time to donate- baby asprin will prevent clotting but not thickening- igf-lr3 makes some ppl tired aswell so just be cautious when everything is in full swing, you dont want it creeping. Other than that good luck big brother im watching and might nibble up the same lr3 as you lol!

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The plan is to get a donation in mid cycle so that should hopefully help things out at that point. I have the dbol in there as an option but like you mentioned I may scrap it. If my BP is looking good I think I'll run some but if it jumps then I'll drop it. If I am still making some good progress at that point in the cycle though, I may not even run it. It could just end up complicating things and ruining a good thing. Time will tell as the cycle rolls on.

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Wk 2 did turn out to be a good one. Even better than wk1. Up an additional 4.6 lbs this week breaking last wks record. Skin fold pinches are the same as last wk so no fat gain. 8.6lbs in 2wks is pretty good with just long esters.

Started on the GH at 3.33iu a couple of days ago. Also starting the IGF now. Plan is now to start at 25mcg on workout days and adjust from there if need be.
No libido issues with the zero test in case anyone is wondering.

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Have a feeling you won't have much of an issue with libido until much later if at all. EQ is not super suppressive and if libido has never been an issue it will take a long while to feel anything of an issue. Add in the Provi if needed to help. If that doesn't work then add in some Prop.
I think that each user depending on where they are in their journey ends up doing what you're doing and expirement some. Getting away from the cookie cutter bullshit and looking outside the norm to find their own way is critical in our development. Just remember to never forget the basics. When navigating unknown territory keep all of the status quo knowledge on hand and be prepared. Standard timeframes for bloods will help you navigate this. Having proper amounts of ancillaries and additional test compounds on hand goes a long way when having to make quick changes to you're program.

Can't wait to read more updates Sir.