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  • EditDHB Boldenone BULK

  • Makwa   •   Sun, Nov 6th, '16 18:20   •   64 replies, 3644 views

Cycle layout

WeekDHBEQtest CypProviAdrolMeforminHGHIGF-LR3
1600mg400mg0
2600mg540mg03.33iu25mcg
3500mg540mg03.33iu25mcg
4500mg540mg03.33iu40mcg
5500mg600mg04iu40mcg
6500mg600mg004iu
7500mg600mg005iu
8500mg600mg0005iu
9500mg600mg0005iu
10500mg600mg004iu
11500mg600mg0003.33iu
12500mg600mg0003.33iu
13800mg500mg50mg50mg3.33iu40mcg
14800mg500mg50mg50mg03.33iu40mcg
15800mg500mg50mg03.33iu40mcg
16800mg500mg50mg03.33iu40mcg
17800mg500mg50mg50mg3.33iu
18800mg500mg50mg50mg3.33iu
19800mg500mg50mg3.33iu40mcg
20800mg500mg50mg50mg3.33iu40mcg

Description, concerns and expectations

After some thought and discussion my next bulk is going be based on DHB and boldenone. The discussion leading up to the design of this cycle can be found in this post.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-experience-with-1-test-cyp-dhb-plus-cycle-suggestions

After the initial glycogen load I would expect the weight gains to be primarily quality mass since there should be essentially zero water retention here. Not expecting huge jump in scale weight because of that but I will be keeping track of body comp to assess what is happening.

Big variable here is the boldenone dose so that is why the bold cyp is then to get a little quicker response with dose changes if needed than would be seen with EQ.

Cals will start out 500 above TDEE for first month or so and will be bumped up to 750+ once I feel the compounds are starting to peak. Later in the cycle when the metformin and adrol are introduced cals will be 1000+ above TDEE.

I'll be logging everything here on a weekly or bi-weekly basis depending on what type of changes I am seeing.

Decided to add in some HGH and IGF-LR3 into the cycle. Will work my way up to 5iu/d of HGH. The IGF will be taken immediately post-workout on training days, none on my days off. Really hoping for some hyperplasia with the GH/IGF combo. If anyone has some thoughts on a better dosing protocol let me know.

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  • giardap's picture
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  • giardap
  • 6 months ago

This is impressive!

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  • Makwa
  • 6 months ago

I ended the cycle at 18 wks. Put on a solid 25lbs which is pretty good for this stage of the game. DHB/EQ seems to be a pretty good combo.

Two weeks after ending cycle and I have only dropped a half pound. I think there is a benefit to running these longer cycles. Your body gets used to carrying that much weight around and it is easier to hang onto.
Now I have to plan out what I want to run for this summer. Still need to bulk more.

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So I've been following your progress with the 1TC pins. Sucks that it was knotting you up. I was praying that you had found a source that could brew it with out the freaking pip that's so commonly associated with the 1TC. I'm glad that you were still able to run a successful cycle. Congrats on that Mak!

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  • jagerbombs
  • 7 months ago

Hey Man was wondering about the changing doses with DHB? From 600-500-800

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The DHB dose I was trying to find a dose that I could tolerate the pip. The EQ dose increased when I dropped the DHB.

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  • jagerbombs
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Gotcha. I've got some DHB on the way thinking about eod pins with my TPP. Should help with pip

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the less you have to pin with each shot and more you can cut it with something else the better.

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  • Makwa
  • 7 months ago

End of wk 14 and up 22lbs. Very little if any fat gain. I think a little water retention from the GH but not to much so mostly good weight so far. Going to start another round of IGF-LR3 this week.

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  • Makwa
  • 8 months ago

Decided to drop the 1TC and finish off the cycle with traditional EQ bulk by running 800mg of EQ and 500mg test c now. I'll also pulse some adrol if my bloodpressure is ok. Put on over 20lbs with the 1TC and EQ which is pretty good for about 13 wks since it is all dry (maybe a little water from the HGH but not much). Got tired of the knots from the 1TC so going to finish the cycle off knot free. Already hit my expectations for this cycle so anything else from here on out is just gravy. Going to shoot for another 10lbs over the next 2 months.

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  • xflipside
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Awesome results!
Bummer about the knots man. I think 10 pounds in possible, especially with the addition of test.

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  • Makwa
  • 8 months ago

Weight sitting the same as last week. Had to drop the HGH back down to 3iu. The numbness in my hands/elbows was driving me batshit crazy. It was interfering with my sleep and and workouts. Could barely bench the other day because of the numbness/tingling in my wrists. Going to have to see what 3iu can do from here on out. Didn't take any GH over the weekend to help resolve the issue. I think I dropped a little water weight, hence the scale didn't go up. Probably put on some lean mass over the course of the week though since I dropped some water but scale stayed the same.

Going to bump the EQ up to 800wk and add in my trt dose of test C at 125mg/wk now. 1-TC will continue to be at 500mg/wk.

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  • Dacky
  • 9 months ago

So how's this tracking now Mak?

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Just finished up wk 9 and I am up 17lbs with no increase in bodyfat. I think the GH is keeping bodyfat in check even with my cal surplus. Up to 6iu/day now. Got some good EQ now that really has cut down the pip of the 1-TC so I was able to bring my 1-TC from 400mg up to 500mg/wk now. EQ dose is sitting at 600mg/wk now. Strength and endurance is through the roof, probably more so than any other cycle I have ran. Unfortunately no uptick in hunger from the EQ. Thinking about bumping it up to 800mg to see if that makes a difference.

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  • propkick2
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Any comment on sex drive with no test?? Any increase in vascularity from EQ yet? 17 lbs is solid!!, how do you feal overall??

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libido is about the same as with my trt dose, not great but not bad either. Don't really notice to much more vascularity since my bodyfat is sitting around 15% now. Feel good cycle now that I got the pip under control. Was miserable at first.

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Sounds like it's going very well indeed. How about some GHRP-6 for extra hunger if it's really needed?

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  • Makwa
  • 9 months ago

End of wk 6 and up 14 lbs. Absolutely no subq water weight. The EQ/DHB is a nice dry cycle. Put on just under 4lbs this wk with no change in skinfolds so all quality weight. The week before I dropped almost a half pound because I cracked a tooth and it was very hard to eat. Got that fixed so I made a comeback this week with a rebound of almost 4lbs.

I don't know what was up with all the knots and test flu. I think it was from the EQ I was using and not the 1-TC which is strange. I popped open a new bottle of EQ and low and behold no more knots, pip or test flu. Feeling much better now. I had dropped the 1TC down to 500mg the last couple weeks thinking it would help with pip, but now I am going to get it back up to 600mg/wk since I don't think the 1TC was the issue.

So far I think this is one my most productive cycles/bulks ever. Just getting started and up 14 lbs without a lick of fat or water retention. Thinking the GH/IGF may have something to do with that. Going to run the IGF for one more week here at 40mcg and then take a break from it.

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  • xflipside
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Impressive Makwa, are you taking measurements? (not skinfolds)
Funny you chipped your tooth, I just chipped my second top left molar last week as well. The temp crown is helping so far, how are the weights going?

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  • Makwa
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Put on another .5lb this week with a slight drop in skinfolds. I think the actual weight was more cause I was little dehydrated when hitting the scale. Weighed the next day and I was up 2lbs from the week before which seems more realistic because I was fully hydrated in the morning. But to be consistent I'll stick with the .5lb increase, so that puts me up about 11.5lbs for the first month

Strength is still climbing and I noticed a pretty significant bump up in my endurance this week. Seems like I could keep going in the gym forever. 25 mcg of IGF has me walking around with an eternal pump. Learning to live with the pumps in the gym and they are not so painful anymore. Going to bump up the IGF to 40mcg this week to see if I notice a difference and the HGH will go up to 4iu.

Damn knots from the 1-TC are killing me. Making it very difficult to do legs or even move around for that matter. Going to have to split up the injections into smaller amounts and more frequent injections to see if that makes it more tolerable. Seem to always have a slight case of test flu with it so I am hoping the smaller more frequent injections will help everything out.

Hardest part is eating. Test flu seems to be killing my appetite. Going to have to force feed cause I can tell when I get a good day of food in my weight seems to jump up. There will be some killer gains coming if I can get in that 1000cal surplus. Seems like the combo of HGH, IGF and AAS have my nutrient partitioning geared to all LBM. The sky will be the limit if I can get the cals down.

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what's about diluting the 1-TC in pure ethyl oleate? Maybe 1:1 and even more.
Because I was mayself looking for sorces for EO, I've seen in Europe uklabsupply.com and lab-supply-shop.com, but have no experience with either or.

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Thanks for the update, i look forward to hearing about your progress every week. The EQ should fully kick in soon so hopefully that can help you with your appetite.

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It would be nice to get an appetite boost from the EQ but it didn't happen with my last run of it so I am not expecting it to be different this run unfortunately. I'll keep my fingers crossed that it will though.

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How's your pins set up? 1test causing pip so wondering on your blending. It might mean ed pins.

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I have been doing pins 2x/wk (mon/thurs). 1.2ml of 1-TC (250mg/ml) and 0.8ml of EQ (350mg/ml). Did a trial shot in my delt yesterday with 0.4ml of 1-TC and 0.2 ml EQ and it feels fine today. Plan now is to do 0.8ml 1TC with 0.8ml of EQ (300mg/ml) 2x/wk and 0.4ml 1-TC with 0.2ml of EQ in the delts 2x/wk. If I am still getting pip in the glutes I'll add some more EQ to cut with and hopefully I find an answer then.

Quad shots are out of the question with this stuff so I'll stick with glutes and delts for now. I also have another lab 1-TC coming so I'll give that a shot once it gets here to see how that sits. The brand I am using now has worked fine for the last two runs of it but it has now all crashed and I had to get it back in solution. It is staying in solution but I am getting severe knots regardless now. Strange.

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  • Pericu
  • 10 months ago

Definitely in for a follow. Excited to see how it goes :)

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Interesting schedule of metformin and igf. I can see you're running them in 4 week intervals. Is your thought process to avoid desensitization of either compound? Since they're both great at increasing insulin sensitivity and glycogen supercompensation. I always wanted to try metformin but some studies I read on it inhibiting mtor put me off a bit

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The IGF only seems to be effective for about 4wks or give or take a few so it needs to be cycled to allow receptors to refresh. In the downtime I was looking at the metformin to help with my insulin sensitivity since am bulking and will be eating alot which can tend to initiate insulin resistance quicker. The metformin isn't set in stone so based upon what I am seeing with the calipers and scale it may not be needed at all if the IGF is doing a good job at maintaining my insulin sensitivity. The cycle of IGF may be sufficient to get me through to the next IGF mini-cycle. So if my nutrient partitioning is good and I am not gaining much fat I won't take the metformin.

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  • mujeriego
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Yea exactly right hgh with a decent calorie surplus can definitely be a catalyst for increased insulin resistance though your hgh doses are at a nice level. That was exactly my thought too as like you said igf I usually run in 4 week cycles as well. I've found that usually the 4 week intervals are enough to keep you going. But I had the same thought process as you and wanted to try metformin as well to keep the effect going and make the cycle more optimal. I'll keep an eye on your experience if you do use it and might give it a go next time around in a lowish dose

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  • Makwa
  • 10 months ago

Put on another 1.4lbs this week with a very slight drop in BF. So, scale is still moving in the right direction. 10.2 lbs in 3wks with a very slight decline in BF. I think I could have put some more weight on this week but but I ended up with a good case of test flu (I guess it would have to be DHB flu in this case). Stuff is giving me some pretty intense pip in my ass on about the 2nd day after pin which lasts for a few days or more. Kind of took away my appetite. I'm going to drop the bold cyp and increase my EQ up to around 600mg so I have more of it in the barrel to dilute the DHB and help with pip.

Towards the end of this week I really noticed a bump in strength. I was able to pump out a couple extra reps more on pretty much all of my lifts. Time to increase the weight to bring the reps back down into my target range.

I also started on 3.33iu/daily of GH along with 25mcg post workout of IGF1-LR3. That IGF has me walking around with an eternal pump. Getting back pumps just walking down to get the mail and my arm gets so pumped holding the phone up to my ear that I have to keep switching hands to keep my biceps from exploding.

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Love hearing this brother! keep pushing.

Any special meals today youd like to post up? whats your pre workout meal looking like today! :) just got a big pack from a buddy of mine with his sponsors supps, so im super excited to use his pump/pre workout its the best and really wakes me up!