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+ 87 My Experience with 1-test cyp (DHB) plus cycle suggestions

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I have been getting quite a few PMs with questions about running a 1-test cypionate (Dihydroboldenone) cycle, so I figured I might as well write a post about my experiences with it and what I think about the compound. I also want to say that this is not a beginner compound, so anyone using this compound should have an understanding of cycling compounds and how test affects them first and foremost.

Background

First off, it is probably best to get a little background on the compound itself. Let me state this right away 1-test cyp is NOT testosterone so you cannot use it in place of testosterone in a cycle. I think the confusion comes in the name. People see 1-test cyp and they think testosterone with a cypionate ester. The compound is actually dihydroboldenone (DHB). This is the 5alpha reduced form of the steroid you all know as boldenone. It is nothing like boldenone or EQ however. Just like DHT (which is the 5alpha reduced form of testosterone) is nothing like testosterone.

Here are my cliff notes about what I think the positives are of this compound.

  1. DHB does not aromatize. No gyno or water retention concerns here. Could be used as a contest prep drug.

  2. Highly anabolic. The androgenic ratio is 200:100. Huge potential to produce significant lean body mass gains. Has a strong affinity for the receptors and seems to outcompete testosterone in the cycle (sounds similar to what trenbolone does). I had to increase my AI just a bit while using this compound.

  3. Minimal androgenic effects. I noticed no increase in oily skin, hair loss, or increase in blood pressure. From what I could tell from researching the side effects of the compound, there were no major hepatoxicity effects or stress on the kidneys. It will shut you down though. It appears to be a pretty mild compound in terms of side effects and that is my experience with it also.

  4. Produces extreme vascularity much better than EQ does in my opinion.

  5. Seems to have some fat burning properties as well. It seems strange but while I was in a calorie surplus I was still dropping body fat! I need to investigate this lipolysis effect more. I have never run tren but I have heard that tren can have this effect as well which is interesting.

First 1-test cyp cycle recommendation

Here is how I would recommend running a cycle of 1-test cyp if you have never ran it before. Even though the compound has a cypionate ester and should be reaching peak blood serum levels around 4-5 weeks, I really didn’t start experiencing or noticing the results until around week 7. This has happened both times I have run this compound so my recommendation is to extend the cycle a couple of weeks beyond the standard 12 week cookie cutter cycle. 14 weeks seems to be optimum.

Intro 1-test cyp cycle:

1-4 Oral of your choice based upon your goals
1-14 500mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C (DHB)
15-17 (Test P taper into PCT) 100mg EOD
1-17 50mg Provi ED (AM/PM)
PCT protocol of your choice

Notes on the above cycle:

  1. The more I think about it, I like the addition of an oral to kick this cycle off. Like I mentioned before, it seems to be a slow starter and we all like seeing results right away so why not include an oral that is based upon your goals. Tbol seems like a winner here for me. Dbol or Adrol would be a great choice for a bulker. There is always the option of a test p kicker if you don't like orals.

  2. Due to the strong affinity of this compound for the receptors, it outcompetes the testosterone so I think that there is no need to go above 500mg because it is just going to cause more aromatization. Compared to my 500mg test e cycle, I had to increase my ai just a bit and I was using slightly less test this cycle so that is what is leading me to that conclusion. You would probably be just fine with a lower test dose but I chose 500 because most people have ran a test only cycle at 500mg/wk and can therefore get a good feel for how much extra the DHB will add to the cycle.

  3. I chose test C to run with the cycle just to keep the esters the same but it would be no big deal obviously to use test e instead or even Sust if that is what you are used to .

  4. Tapering seems like a good move to ease into PCT. If you like it great, if not, cut it out.

My first cycle of 1-test cyp.

This is the exact cycle that I ran for my first go of 1-test cyp and my notes and thoughts about the cycle after I ran it.

1-14 400mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C
HGH 4iu/day
4-14 Arimidex .25mg/E3D

That cycle sold me on 1-test. I exploded and put inches on everywhere. My shoulders gained 2in, 1in on biceps, 3in around chest/back and lost ½ in around waist. By the end of the cycle I had gained a solid 9lbs and dropped 3% BF. I say a solid 9 lbs because I retained all of it after PCT, including most of the inches, so it was good lean mass and not all water weight. The vascularity and strength gains were pretty insane. The vascularity effects I received from it lead me to believe that this would be an excellent pre-contest compound. My biceps looked like I had fire hoses running through them and I had spider web veins spreading across my chest and shoulders. All of this was noticeable with a BF of 9-10%. I can only imagine the results at 4-5% BF. Towards the end of my cycle when my BF was the lowest, I also noticed that more dense, hard, and grainy look to my muscles. Once again I can only imagine how that would have looked on stage at 4%, but I was still impressed how it gave that hard polished looked at 9%BF.

I noticed no negative side effects from it. I had tons of energy, libido great, no mood swings and didn’t experience any insomnia. Alpha feeling all the way. The one thing that I did notice was that I still had to keep up with my AI, a little bit more than what I needed for a test only cycle at 500mg/wk. 1-test supposedly doesn’t aromatize to any appreciable degree so my increased use of AI has me somewhat perplexed. I am just speculating here, but this could be due to the fact that 1-test has a much greater affinity for the receptors than the test which may be leaving more test left over to aromatize.

I should also mention I experienced no pip from this compound. I had two different brands during my run and both were smooth. Many people seem to shy away from this compound because they here of these pip horror stories from it. I should mention that if you are allergic to EO, guiaicol, and all that stuff then this is not a compound for you. This is one of the hardest compounds to keep in solution and some hefty amounts of solvents are present in it.

As far as dosing with this compound, I see no need to go above 500mg. This stuff is strong and the results are dramatic. It is supposedly 5x more anabolic than test and I believe that to be true. The test only cycle I ran fails in comparison with the addition of the 1-test and I was running less test during this cycle.
I think 1-test is a very versatile compound and as always your diet will dictate the results. I really think it would particularly shine as a cutter since it doesn't seem to aromatize to any appreciable degree and it really seems to bring out awesome vascularity as well as polishing the muscles with that hard, grainy and dense look. My next contest prep is likely going to include 1-test with either mast or var and very low test.
I am going to be starting an EQ run in a week, so it will be interesting to compare the two. They say that about 5% of EQ converts to DHB.

I am also currently running a cycle of 1-test cyp in preparation of a show I will be competing in. This is an all-out cutter cycle and I am about 7 weeks into it and things are really started to take shape and pop. Current cycle that I am running now is somewhat similar to the example cycle below. the length is different and things are going to be changed the last half of the cycle to accommodate show prep but it would be a good example of using this compound in cutter:

Example Cutter Cycle:

1-14 250 mg/wk Sust (That 250mg is split between 3 shots taken M/W/F)
1-14 600 mg/wk Mast E
1-14 500 mg/wk 1-test cyp
7-14 50 mg Var ED
1-14 50 mg Provi ED (AM/PM)

I have a cycle log started of my current cycle and this will give you an indication of how this is working in a cut.

Excerpt of my latest log for my current 1-test cyp cycle:

Current stats:
175.8lbs
BF% 7.98%
LBM 161.77

Change from last week:

-0.48% BF (lost 1lb fat)
lost 1.4 lbs (.4 lbs was lbm)

Change from start of cycle:

Trimmed off 3.1% BF
Lost a net weight of 3.8 lbs (5.9lbs fat)
gained 2.07lbs lbm

Notes:

13 weeks until showtime.

I have lost almost 6 lbs of fat from the start of the cycle and gained just over 2lbs of LBM. The gear really seems to be kicking in now. It was around 6-7 weeks when it kicked in last time with the 1-test cyp and is no different this time. Vascularity is really starting to pop and the muscle bellies are really plumping out. I have also increased my water intake to 1.5 gallons/day and my goal is to get up to 2gal and stay there until prep week. Calories still at 1900/day.

Somewhat disappointed in the small lbm drop from last week. If LBM continues to drop I may increase calories a bit.

Hopefully I have given you some idea on how to run this compound. Once again I will be happy to answer any questions I wasn’t able to address in this post.

IronBeast93's picture

To quote you "DHB could have you limping for a week." does this go away? I remember when I did sust for the first time and it felt like someone hit me with a sledge hammer but it was better the next injection. But I was only doing 1ml a week. They need to add "Novocaine" to the solution? lol- I was planning on buying 3 vials of dhb for my next cycle and doing 100mg eod. I might buy only 1 just to see and buy more if I can deal with the pip.

Makwa's picture

Best advice is to buy a bottle to test for pip before buying a shit ton of it. May need to try multiple brands to find one that works for you. Some brands are pip in a bottle and others are smooth as butter. You just need to find a brand that works for you.

IronBeast93's picture

PM me your favorite, I rather try something that has worked for someone than shoot blindly in the dark.

Makwa's picture

FR sent

TrenKoff's picture

If it doesn't aromatize why is it repeatedly warned about?

xsawgnr's picture

Any one know how to minimize PIP with this compound? Would sterile grapeseed oil help?

Bulkdaddy's picture

What happened to this guy?

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thatotherguy's picture

Beautiful post.

press1's picture

Really is a very good post this. Hope everything is alright mate - haven't seen you on here in ages Smile

addicted.to.pain's picture

yea not since the EBC, Hope all is well he was GURU status .

Makwa's picture

I consider dhb to be essentially tren without the nasty side effects (other than some pip). They essentially have the same binding affinities and anabolic ratios. Nutrient partitioning seems to be on par with each other also. So if you normally run 400mg tren and want to sub in some dhb I would use 200mg tren e and 200mg of dhb.

johnmarshall12's picture

I've read this article before and it remains an excellent guide. Unfortunately DHB is really PIP intensive for me, making it very difficult to do 500mg/wk.

Makwa's picture

The pip can definitely become a bummer. Really needs to be cut with something. EQ is perfect for that and makes a killer combo with it. 400mg would be plenty with that combo.

exoticnfit's picture

Going to give EQ another run again and hopefully the PIP won't be as bad second time around.

That or I will have to keep it under 300mg and perhaps some low does Tren in lieu of higher DHB dose.

I've cut DHB with EQ and Deca and neither really helped resolve that pip issue.

I'm sure there is a brand I have yet to try that may be less PIP but the one I have used (we discussed this in PM) most others were having far less issues.

Makwa's picture

The next little experiment I am going to try is that DHB/tren combo. I am hoping that by using lower doses of each I can avoid their major side effects. Pip with the DHB and we all know the sides that tren produces. Would still be plenty of anabolics in there for a killer cycle I believe. Now I just need to find some good tren. Haven't used that stuff in a long, long time.

MEXVOL's picture

500dhb a week and 400mg EQ a week u think are a good combo or 400mg dhb and 600mg EQ?

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Makwa's picture

I would go with the 400 dhb and 600+ EQ.

MEXVOL's picture

Thanks for sharing this,i go start same cycle, any changes on lower good cholesterol? @Makwa

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Makwa's picture

Haven't checked my cholesterol while using it. All my checkups when off cycle show my cholesterol within healthy ranges though.

MEXVOL's picture

Thank you bro, the last cycle tren lower my good cholesterol too much,so i start cycle try this dhb for first time 500a week for 14 weeks

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Makwa's picture

make sure your BF is low enough to you can actually see the grainy dense look. vascularity should be superb also.

Relou's picture

Great post. Very informative and helpful. I would like to ask for a UK or EU source if you can kindly help me. FR sent.

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Atlas2007's picture

Love this post. Very detailed. Do you mind shooting me the info on your source for DHB. I found one, but at 100mg. I heard it's hard to dose over that, but if your running it 500wk figured you have someone who does. Or you have deep pockets lol. Thx Brutha

Makwa's picture

Fortunately I have a stockpile yet of 250mg/ml 1TC from a source that is no longer here. I am not a fan of all this 100mg/ml stuff that is out there. The sources nowadays seem to be catering to all these people who cry about having EO or guaiacol in there gear. I guess they are trying to cater to the masses but IMO this stuff needs to be in EO or guaiacol to keep it to hold and be pip free.

Makwa's picture

It should not be milky colored

blingless's picture

Recently received 2 vials of 200mg/ml of 1TC from a reputable source. Is milk white color normal??
How would one reduce PIP?? Mix it with low dosed Test?

I have done 4 cycles of test only.

Makwa's picture

Is milk white color normal??

No. I know what brand you got if that is the case. I gaurantee it will cripple you as it has everyone else who has tried it. The manufacturer stopped making it due to that fact and it was supposed to be pulled from shelves.

blingless's picture

The vial says STEALTH LABEL REDACTED oil

Greg's picture

WTF?
Blingless and clueless

Carlos Danger's picture

Spongebob’s? I still have a bunch of the high MG stuff I’ve kept in dark cool environment. The DHB I ran was similar dosage and was strong stuff. No pip per se but the guaiacol always leaves me with knots. Almost looks like SEO the next day.

Makwa's picture

That was the very best of everything I have ever used. My current stash is different though.

dbombs's picture

I'm guessing it was AN gear... great gear. Miss that sponge :-)

Carlos Danger's picture

That’s my guess as well. I still have the high MG stuff and is still my favorite.

dbombs's picture

His high mg stuff was excellent and had very little to no pip for me. His high mg Primo was awesome. If I remember correctly, it was 250mg per ml which made for an easy pinning schedule

Atlas2007's picture

Damn. Lucky dog. Lol. I've read the PIP is intolerable over 200mgs. I've literally found only one source off here. Hmmm. guess the search continues lol. Thx for getting back

daksmack's picture

Mak, just ordered some 1-test cyp. What do you think about stacking it with adrol and tren ace?

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Makwa's picture

No need for tren when running 1TC. First go with it I would just run it with test and let it do its magic. Pulsing adrol would be a good add though.

Dacky's picture

It’s there if you look hard enough!