+ 87 My Experience with 1-test cyp (DHB) plus cycle suggestions
I have been getting quite a few PMs with questions about running a 1-test cypionate (Dihydroboldenone) cycle, so I figured I might as well write a post about my experiences with it and what I think about the compound. I also want to say that this is not a beginner compound, so anyone using this compound should have an understanding of cycling compounds and how test affects them first and foremost.
Background
First off, it is probably best to get a little background on the compound itself. Let me state this right away 1-test cyp is NOT testosterone so you cannot use it in place of testosterone in a cycle. I think the confusion comes in the name. People see 1-test cyp and they think testosterone with a cypionate ester. The compound is actually dihydroboldenone (DHB). This is the 5alpha reduced form of the steroid you all know as boldenone. It is nothing like boldenone or EQ however. Just like DHT (which is the 5alpha reduced form of testosterone) is nothing like testosterone.
Here are my cliff notes about what I think the positives are of this compound.
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DHB does not aromatize. No gyno or water retention concerns here. Could be used as a contest prep drug.
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Highly anabolic. The androgenic ratio is 200:100. Huge potential to produce significant lean body mass gains. Has a strong affinity for the receptors and seems to outcompete testosterone in the cycle (sounds similar to what trenbolone does). I had to increase my AI just a bit while using this compound.
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Minimal androgenic effects. I noticed no increase in oily skin, hair loss, or increase in blood pressure. From what I could tell from researching the side effects of the compound, there were no major hepatoxicity effects or stress on the kidneys. It will shut you down though. It appears to be a pretty mild compound in terms of side effects and that is my experience with it also.
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Produces extreme vascularity much better than EQ does in my opinion.
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Seems to have some fat burning properties as well. It seems strange but while I was in a calorie surplus I was still dropping body fat! I need to investigate this lipolysis effect more. I have never run tren but I have heard that tren can have this effect as well which is interesting.
First 1-test cyp cycle recommendation
Here is how I would recommend running a cycle of 1-test cyp if you have never ran it before. Even though the compound has a cypionate ester and should be reaching peak blood serum levels around 4-5 weeks, I really didn’t start experiencing or noticing the results until around week 7. This has happened both times I have run this compound so my recommendation is to extend the cycle a couple of weeks beyond the standard 12 week cookie cutter cycle. 14 weeks seems to be optimum.
Intro 1-test cyp cycle:
1-4 Oral of your choice based upon your goals
1-14 500mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C (DHB)
15-17 (Test P taper into PCT) 100mg EOD
1-17 50mg Provi ED (AM/PM)
PCT protocol of your choice
Notes on the above cycle:
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The more I think about it, I like the addition of an oral to kick this cycle off. Like I mentioned before, it seems to be a slow starter and we all like seeing results right away so why not include an oral that is based upon your goals. Tbol seems like a winner here for me. Dbol or Adrol would be a great choice for a bulker. There is always the option of a test p kicker if you don't like orals.
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Due to the strong affinity of this compound for the receptors, it outcompetes the testosterone so I think that there is no need to go above 500mg because it is just going to cause more aromatization. Compared to my 500mg test e cycle, I had to increase my ai just a bit and I was using slightly less test this cycle so that is what is leading me to that conclusion. You would probably be just fine with a lower test dose but I chose 500 because most people have ran a test only cycle at 500mg/wk and can therefore get a good feel for how much extra the DHB will add to the cycle.
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I chose test C to run with the cycle just to keep the esters the same but it would be no big deal obviously to use test e instead or even Sust if that is what you are used to .
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Tapering seems like a good move to ease into PCT. If you like it great, if not, cut it out.
My first cycle of 1-test cyp.
This is the exact cycle that I ran for my first go of 1-test cyp and my notes and thoughts about the cycle after I ran it.
1-14 400mg/wk Test C
1-14 500mg/wk 1-test C
HGH 4iu/day
4-14 Arimidex .25mg/E3D
That cycle sold me on 1-test. I exploded and put inches on everywhere. My shoulders gained 2in, 1in on biceps, 3in around chest/back and lost ½ in around waist. By the end of the cycle I had gained a solid 9lbs and dropped 3% BF. I say a solid 9 lbs because I retained all of it after PCT, including most of the inches, so it was good lean mass and not all water weight. The vascularity and strength gains were pretty insane. The vascularity effects I received from it lead me to believe that this would be an excellent pre-contest compound. My biceps looked like I had fire hoses running through them and I had spider web veins spreading across my chest and shoulders. All of this was noticeable with a BF of 9-10%. I can only imagine the results at 4-5% BF. Towards the end of my cycle when my BF was the lowest, I also noticed that more dense, hard, and grainy look to my muscles. Once again I can only imagine how that would have looked on stage at 4%, but I was still impressed how it gave that hard polished looked at 9%BF.
I noticed no negative side effects from it. I had tons of energy, libido great, no mood swings and didn’t experience any insomnia. Alpha feeling all the way. The one thing that I did notice was that I still had to keep up with my AI, a little bit more than what I needed for a test only cycle at 500mg/wk. 1-test supposedly doesn’t aromatize to any appreciable degree so my increased use of AI has me somewhat perplexed. I am just speculating here, but this could be due to the fact that 1-test has a much greater affinity for the receptors than the test which may be leaving more test left over to aromatize.
I should also mention I experienced no pip from this compound. I had two different brands during my run and both were smooth. Many people seem to shy away from this compound because they here of these pip horror stories from it. I should mention that if you are allergic to EO, guiaicol, and all that stuff then this is not a compound for you. This is one of the hardest compounds to keep in solution and some hefty amounts of solvents are present in it.
As far as dosing with this compound, I see no need to go above 500mg. This stuff is strong and the results are dramatic. It is supposedly 5x more anabolic than test and I believe that to be true. The test only cycle I ran fails in comparison with the addition of the 1-test and I was running less test during this cycle.
I think 1-test is a very versatile compound and as always your diet will dictate the results. I really think it would particularly shine as a cutter since it doesn't seem to aromatize to any appreciable degree and it really seems to bring out awesome vascularity as well as polishing the muscles with that hard, grainy and dense look. My next contest prep is likely going to include 1-test with either mast or var and very low test.
I am going to be starting an EQ run in a week, so it will be interesting to compare the two. They say that about 5% of EQ converts to DHB.
I am also currently running a cycle of 1-test cyp in preparation of a show I will be competing in. This is an all-out cutter cycle and I am about 7 weeks into it and things are really started to take shape and pop. Current cycle that I am running now is somewhat similar to the example cycle below. the length is different and things are going to be changed the last half of the cycle to accommodate show prep but it would be a good example of using this compound in cutter:
Example Cutter Cycle:
1-14 250 mg/wk Sust (That 250mg is split between 3 shots taken M/W/F)
1-14 600 mg/wk Mast E
1-14 500 mg/wk 1-test cyp
7-14 50 mg Var ED
1-14 50 mg Provi ED (AM/PM)
I have a cycle log started of my current cycle and this will give you an indication of how this is working in a cut.
Excerpt of my latest log for my current 1-test cyp cycle:
Current stats:
175.8lbs
BF% 7.98%
LBM 161.77
Change from last week:
-0.48% BF (lost 1lb fat)
lost 1.4 lbs (.4 lbs was lbm)
Change from start of cycle:
Trimmed off 3.1% BF
Lost a net weight of 3.8 lbs (5.9lbs fat)
gained 2.07lbs lbm
Notes:
13 weeks until showtime.
I have lost almost 6 lbs of fat from the start of the cycle and gained just over 2lbs of LBM. The gear really seems to be kicking in now. It was around 6-7 weeks when it kicked in last time with the 1-test cyp and is no different this time. Vascularity is really starting to pop and the muscle bellies are really plumping out. I have also increased my water intake to 1.5 gallons/day and my goal is to get up to 2gal and stay there until prep week. Calories still at 1900/day.
Somewhat disappointed in the small lbm drop from last week. If LBM continues to drop I may increase calories a bit.
Hopefully I have given you some idea on how to run this compound. Once again I will be happy to answer any questions I wasn’t able to address in this post.
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Just wanted to put up an example of what the example cutter cycle of 1TC that I listed above can do with a good diet. That is basically the cycle that I ran for my contest prep. The var was eventually lowered to 50mg/ since I was also running another oral alongside at the end of the cycle. I am really impressed with the vascularity that results from the 1TC. My calories ended up being 2500 cals day on this cycle which kept muscle loss to a minimum and maximized fat loss. You need to track those calories and carbs, I can't stress the importance of that. I dropped 30 lbs this cycle, which is more than I wanted but I was pleased with the results regardless. Bodyfat became too low that It was kind of pointless to try and measure with calipers but last estimate it was around 4.5%
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Ok Mak, here's a challenge for you. Once October is out of the way it's off season for me and I'm considering having another pop at 1test. Fancy putting a cycle together for me? My one attempt before was simple test and 1test with some var at the end.
I would anticipate at end of second comp I'll be around 260lbs stage condition, back up to 270 a few hours after once "refuelled".
No problem. We can work on one. I'm assuming its going to be bulk. I was also contemplating using some 1tc for my offseason bulk but I think I am just going to keep it simple and run a cycle of sust with maybe an oral. Looking forward to putting a bulker together with you. If we can come up with something that looks good i'll save it for a future bulk.
I think the days of pure bulking are done for me now. I'm over 21stone at present, about 296lbs and that's as much as I'm ever going to carry. I'm so inflexible it's a joke! I think the next couple of years are about tidying up a couple of symmetry and physique balance issues and improving the density and quality of what I have. Bulking has always been easy for me.
Would be interesting to effectively trial a few things to see what we can do. We'll get our heads together and talk about some ideas that hopefully we can share with the community.
Sounds like a plan.
Wanted to give a little update on my 1TC usage for this last cycle. I started out at 500mg/wk just like my other cycles. Midway through the cycle I bumped up the dosage to 750mg/wk to see the effects from the increased dose. I ran that dose for 6 weeks. I did not notice any significant changes compared to the 500mg/wk. The only thing I noticed was that at the higher dose I would be left with a hard lump at the injection site for about a week. No pip but just a hard lump. You could even see the lump in my quads. Since I wasn't noticing anything positive with increased dosage I bumped it back down to 500mg/wk and no more hard lumps. Just postive sides. With that said, I am sticking with my previous suggestion that the MAX this compuound needs to be ran is 500mg/wk. 1TC is going to be a staple compound in all of my precomp cycles from now on. This stuff is awesome and helped me bring home 5 trophies from my latest comp.
Telford786Nice post thanks for the great info, can I ask what was the strength of your 1test ?
250mg/ml
I have been following your posts on 1 test cyp since before I was a member here. I have quite a few cycles under my belt and was going to step up to tren this summer but I think I will hold back and go with 1 test. I sent u a fr and was hoping you could answer a Q for me. Thank you for detailed posts and write ups.
How's it going Makwa?
Best regards
Sigmund Roid
Weighed in this saturday. I'll put an update tonight. Quick and dirty answer is pretty damn good so far.
that's why I appreciate your posts. Thumbs up
Best regards
Sigmund Roid
It is probably worth noting here as to one of the possible reasons I have never experienced any pip with this compound. Obviously I am not running the 1TC by itself so I always have another compound in the barrel when I pin. Usually this is an equal amount to the 1TC of either test e/c or mast e. I have never pinned it solo so those experiencing pip with this compound should also be pinning it with something else to help avoid the pip.
TheFlashI am still confused regarding 1TestCyp's impact on the hairline.
Some people say there is no hair loss at all, other say it's rather harsh. Are here some more people who can share their experiences?
No problem with my hairline. It is not DHT based like mast/provi/var so I don't know why it would have much of an impact on the hairline.
AnonDidnt fuck with my hair at all. But no steroids really fuck with my hair, Im not really prone to mpb.
How's the cycle coming along?
Any difference with the different lab?
new lab is pinning real smooth.
I bumped my dose up from 500mg/wk to 750mg this week and will run that dose through the remainder of my cycle (12 more weeks). I'll report back whether or not I notice anything signifcantly different compared to 500mg weekly.
I have been running 750mg 1TC for the last two weeks. I have noticed 1 significant difference already. My left nip started to get a little itchy so popped 25mg of aromasin for 5 days till it calmed down and now I am running 12.5mg ED. I think that this once again points to the fact that the 1TC outcompetes the test for the receptor sites. I am only running 225mg/wk of Sust with 480mg mast e and 50mg provi. The mast/provi combo was keeping my estro in check with the 500mg/wk of 1TC. Bumped up the 1TC and bam estro problems with only that little bit of sust. Receptors are being preferentially filled with the 1TC leaving that little bit of sust to aromatize.
Solid info brother, thanks for sharing! It's got me curious now.
Top post Mak. You're the guy to talk to here about this compound in my eyes. +2
dude this post is huge. I have seen the 1-test get some traction lately in popularity with out much research to show for it. Very cool of you to post in detail. I am interested in running something similar... like:
1-12 1test cyp 500mg/wk
1-12 test cyp 500mg/wk
12-14 test p taper 50mg/ED
4-12 Var 50mg/ED
6-12 winny 50mg/ED
+1 for the post, please keep this updated on your research!
I think that cycle would have you popping veins out everywhere. I would even lower the test dose the last half of cycle to enhance the vascularity even more if that is what you are looking for.
Great read bro. I will definately try 1-Test C on a future cycle +1
Awesome post. Very interested in this compound and not much info out there. Thanks for writing this up.
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I think I read a post a while ago you had on 1-test and decided to try it, I noticed lots of fat loss and nice muscle gains, really wanna give it another shot
I think I have bits and pieces scattered around here so I thought I would just consolidate everything in 1 place.
What dose did you run it at?
I think 450?
RustyhookerI've been curious about stacking the 1 test on an eq run. Eq kicks in slowly and I like to drop test low at week 12. Let the bold and 1 test do their job. Things to ponder.
Great write up! Very thorough!
StevebNice post. How was the PIP?
Pip was zero for me.
This is a great read makwa.. I may use dhb in a future cycle.
I was curious as to if you use anything to combat hair loss while on this cycle, and your using proviron and still having to bump up your AI because of DHB?
Fortunately I never seem to have a problem with hair loss so I have never taken any specific measures to minimize it. That first cycle I did I had to bump up the AI just a tad. The DHB way outcompetes the test for the receptors due to its much higher affinity rate so there seems to be more test that ends up aromatizing. Now with my second cycle my test is only 250 mg/wk and I am on 600mg mast e and 50mg of provi and I haven't had to use an AI yet. So the mast and provi are doing a good job controlling my estrogen for the 250mg of test I am taking. It would be interesting to see if I would still need an AI if I bumped my test up to 500mg or would the mast and provi still control it. That experiment is going to have to wait for another time though.
It seemed to be real mild in the side effects department. I take lots of fish oil, CLA and anti-oxidants, vitamins etc so I don't know if that made a difference but there were no notable sides.
Added provi to the example cycles. Can't believe I didn't have that in there. I always run provi in my cycles.
AnonNice post and great info. 1-test cyp is my favorite injectable. Makes EQ obsolete in my book. I ran it like this:
Weeks 1-12: 300mg Test E/week
Weeks 1-12 600mg 1-Test Cyp/week
Weeks 1-6: 60mg TBol/day
Weeks 1-14: 50mg Proviron/day
Weeks 5-13: 0.25mg Adex E3D
Probably my favorite cycle to date. Next time I'm gonna take your advice and go 14 weeks with a prop kicker/taper, use the Tbol as a finisher instead and replace the proviron with 300mg Mast E.
Sounds like a good cycle you are planning there. Did you notice it kick in a little later than normal? I am just wondering if it is me or the compound itself?
AnonWas around week 5-6 that I really noticed it kick in, which is about what I was expecting. Would love to kickstart with bold ace but I've heard some real horror stories about pip lol.
Nice read. I've seen a lot of chatter about 1-test lately and this has me very interested in it now. +1 bro.
A lot of that chatter was also coming in my inbox so I figured it was worthy of a post to try and answer a lot of questions ahead of time.
Good read brother...thank you