posted Wed, 05/11/2016 - 22:45
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Hey everyone,
last year I was on enan 12 weeks cycle and I liked the results, this year I'd love to try some safe, small stack.
I have around 8-9% bf, still i've been working out for almost 5 years. Sadly Im stopping in gains and I'm slowly losing motivation.
My base for this will be:
Week 1-8 Test Prop EOD
Week 1-8 Masteron Prop EOD
Anavar 1-5 @ 50mg daily
Nolva just in case (Masteron should nulify estrogens)
for PCT: standard arimidex + nolva
The goal is to cut a bit more with adding small amount of muscle. Whats your opinions about this one?
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Your best bet is to listen and to go with what dacky posted, you posted on how you have no real diet and look the way you do...imagine what can be done with some real dieting and training. Don't be so concerned with what your dosages and what gear you should be taking- focus on your diet. If you are the way you are now with the "diet" or lack there of then that's your stating point. this place is full of information from some solid dudes. I for one can say rusty has turned me on some good reads that have helped me out tremendously.
RustyhookerYour picture says you never cycled! Your forums claim TWICE. This is your second but somehow your first was just week ago?
Liar. No way you're 26. 19 tops!
https://www.eroids.com/pics/my-progress-so-far-5-years-into-training
AnonThese guys just guide themselves right into the pit
RustyhookerIt somehow hurts to be honest. Noone can man up anymore.
Looks like a kid to me.
RustyhookerAgree. Dude could blast big meals and add 20 solid easily.
Ah he's added a picture now. Well say no more. Age is defo suspect as are the rest of his stats. Food is the only appropriate answer here. SMFH!!!
RustyhookerNo worries bro. I've posted a complex cycle before because 19 year old lying. You're doing great!
Cheers bro!
Stats
Age: 26
Height: 180
Weight: 80
BF: 8 - 9% from what you said above
Can I ask what your diet and training looks like? You have low BF and weigh 80kg so my question is why would you want to cut more. It would seem to me now is the perfect time for you to be adding some solid mass. Trying to loose fat and build muscle at the same time is a pipe dream unless you're genetically gifted. So pick one goal and work your diet, training and aas cycles/supplementation around that. The cycle you proposed is over the top for your age, goals (?) and experience. No dasages mentioned. And suggesting running deca for a second cycle is a definite no! Your PCT is wrong and needs work.
In fact I am not sure you even should be running a cycle given all this. Come back and clarify your goal and elaborate on your diet and training and let's go from there.
Yeah, you're right, thanks for that. Basically Im ectomorph, i've always been on low bf, still I've got solid 15kgs of muscle maintaining around the same bf % during 5 years -> from 65kgs to 80kgs.
As I said i've been running enan 12 weeks last year and it didnt even increase my bf, while getting some serious kgs. I just wanna take advantage of that and Im running out of ideas really.
Probably deca would be a nice addition to enan. Let's say I just run following cycle:
1-10 deca 500mg EW
1-12 test 375mg E5D
Why would it be a bad cycle? I have a solid base, I would get i guess at least 10kgs, I wouldnt get much fat.
Thanks for the reply
Ok so it seems what we are really talking about is a bulk here (add 10kg). You still haven't answerd my question about your diet. In other words given what is want to achieve and putting the gear to one side how would you set up your diet (calories and macros) to achieve this - given you're low BF already and as you say you don't add fat easily? Are you prepared to add some fat and if so how much? How would you periodise your training to achieve this? How much would you rest? Research here is key brother.
Deca is a 19Nor steroid and these shut you down hard and are notoriously difficult to recover from. Some people never recover and at 26 is this a risk you're willing to take? There is more to them than just "running" them. Your dosages for example above are all wrong (test to deca ratio will see you in trouble quickly), what about the duration of each compound and no mention of a da for prolactin control). You have not done near enough research here and even if you have given the above this is not appropriate for a second cycle. There are better and safer ways for you to achieve what you are looking to achieve. Let's first hear about how you would set-up your diet and training.
My diet is pretty clean, I dont count macros but I eat healthy, avoid sugars etc. Let's just say I go with 20proteins 40carbs 40fats (in % ofc) and around 3500 kcals. Of course if I run a cycle I would set up a proper diet and add more kcals.
I train 5-6 days a week doing typical split: i,e: chest+abs; back+obliques; shoulders+abs; arms; legs working out for like 1.5-2 hours. I know I could do just a proper mass with 5000kcal-6000kcal but that's not what I want at all. I don't really want get that much fat to get some muscles. My goal is just to harden up, look more ripped for summer (I don't really care about some small losses of muscles made on cycle after the summer as Im happy with the way I look right now).
Basically lets just say it would be optimal to add 5-6 kgs of muscle during the 2-3 months coming. As I said thats my priority: to look better in incoming 3 months maintaining same fat or a bit lower. I've been on cycle and I liked the results, my body reacted pretty well, no sides at all. Just this time I want too add a bit more to it.
Given what you want to achieve and your age why do a cycle then when this can be easily done natty?
Your diet can clearly use some work. Go and look up Harris Benedict Equation and you will see your TDEE is about 3200 calories per day just to maintain. You will need 1000 calories for than this to add muscle gear or no gear. You need to get your protein macro up to at least 220g to bulk naturally. I wound keep fats at 20% and the rest in quality low GI carbs. This should be done using 90% whole foods. Keep the protein powders (assuming you use them) for post workout only for example.
I challenge you to spend the next 3 months trying the following approach natty - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
I bet you will be able to achieve your 5/6kg of quality mass gain with no aas using this approach. Check out the rest of Makwa's posts on diet and training. He has brilliant stuff there. Look at Catalyst's forums too and think about getting a post up on the diet clinic - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Hope this helps.
Or should I just run enan+deca?