The Old Faithful Cycle
Hello all! In the past few weeks of reading the forums I've really seen some horrible proposed cycles, and it got me wondering, what's wrong with good old Test E?
Anyways, I wanted to know everyone's opion on the following matter, I've stepped up the classic Test E 12 week cycle with a Prop kick and taper, and it works quite well for me. This isn't a cycle I'm in a rush to abandon, so at last we come to my question (many thanks for bearing with me). At what point would this cycle start to wear out? As in when would I cease to notice strength increases from it? And would it be possible to counter this by slightly upping the dosage, rather then jumping to another compound? Thank you very much for your time gentleman!
P.s - I forgot to mention that I don't care about gains, purely a strength athlete (Olympic weightlifter)
231 competition weight (245 normally)
BF- fluctuates between 13-18% (no appearance to maintain, only strength)
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Keep it simple is good u can either up ur test a bit or you can add tbol its dbol without the water weight and/or proviron to free up your test if u havent used it give it a try at 50 mg split am/pm dose and use provi for the entire cycle. If u havent used tbol or provi just add one for this cycle tbol i wud do for 4-6 weeks max but provi all cycle. Fr sent im really interested in gettin my press as high as yours dam those are good lifts bro
Accepted. And I plan on incorporating proviron in my next cycle, and tbol in a later one.
One last thing now, I am open to adding in an oral for 4-6 weeks during the cycle. (Once I've run the bare test e/prop cycle a few more times)
In your opinions, what would be the oral of choice? I'd rather not use Dianabol, as I've read that the strength gains are more then likly going to be gone once it is discontinued.
Thank you once more for your time and opinions!
If you're purely a strength athlete and want to keep your comp weight down but strength up have you thought about Anavar? It's my personal favorite oral and I see better strength gains from var than dbol. Just ime. Of course there are other orals out there that the power lifter guys tend to lean towards because of the pure power achieved with them but they tend to be the harshest compounds out there and I wouldn't advocate there use. (Ie halotestin, OT, ect)
Now moving on to my cycle history,
(Please note all cycles had the same pct)
I've previously ran the standard test e cycle, (500mg/wk @12 weeks) once
After that I added the prop kick and taper, at the same length and dosage. Ran that twice
Now here I am wondering how many more times I can run that and expect strength gains.
My PRs are as follows
Squat- 704 (320kg)
Deadlift- 616 (280kg)
Snatch- 170kg
Clean and jerk - 225kg
Thank you everybody for chiming in!
I wrote this late last night, please allow me to clarify any important things I left out. I absolutely do NOT intend to run this past 12 weeks. I am not not trt, and do not want to cause any damage to my HPTA, health comes first. I'm just curious as to how many times I can run this cycle with results.
My diet consists of (roughly) 350G protein, 700G carbs, and 200G fat a day, for about half the year. Those macros get cut in Half during weight maintenance phases.
Lifting consists of (2) - 1 hour sessions 5 days a week, with one (1) hour session on Saturday. The morning session is squats to maximal effort, followed a warmup for the Olympic Lifts. The evening session is purely Olympic lifting with varying efforts depending on the day (85%, 95% and so on)
I really do enjoy this cycle because with the usual pct (clomid/nolva) with a few hundred IU's of HcG EOD pretty much brings be back to normal (at least according to bloodwork) within two months.
This is really an impossible question to answer. Everyone is so different and reacts different. Like I said if it's not broke don't fix it. How many times have u ran this cycle? Do u feel like u hit a plateau in any of those cycles? If u have hit a plateau have u tried to Increase your calorie intake? This may be aLl u need to meet your goals or u might find adding an oral towards the end might give u the edge u need. There is no cookie cutter answer to this bro just listen to your body and the signals it's sending u
Rustyhooker12 week cycle with kick and taper. Will continue to keep working as long as your lifting and foods are on point.
Proper time off after pct to allow body full recovery too.
Imo this is an impossible question to answer bc everyone reacts so differently. if it's working and not broken don't fix it. U know your body better than any of us. I will add if u dont want to up the dosage and u want more bang for your buck with test have u researched provi? it's very beneficial on low test cycles. Basically this a question u have to figure out n your own bc what works for me won't for u best of luck
What about adding dbol mid cycle to push through a plateau? I have done that before with relative success.
I agree an oral would be a great addition. He just seems to like a very simplistic cycle which is great especially if it works great for u and it meets the goals your trying to achieve. The reason I suggested provi was it to me fits a simple cycle but nonetheless an oral would be a great idea
RustyhookerOral mid or late cycle imo has more boom than the typical kick method depending on goals. I like the late use orals.
Its not the point of how long you can run with getting gains (and like flash said , sounds like you want to stay on) its the damage , to the endo. System , the shut down of hpta , ,I see no stats here , or cycle history , but im replying in case some other nuckel head plans on staying on (which we know we have a shit load of them) 12 weeks is recommened , so a standard pct will get your hpta back up and running in 4weeks .. any extened period on cycle , leaves for a more aggressive pct and chance of not recovering . So you answer your own question...smfh , this is why aas is not recommened for everyone , it gets used as a drug , and not coming off (imo) is abuse , lack of self discipline, and
Will I power .
My friend. , if I read this wrong I appolagize , but I thought you were trying to say your staying on , I hope not , good luck
Where are you guys getting he wants to stay on indefinitely from? He states he wants to do a 12 cycle and is wondering when he should start seeing minimal gains from this same cycle.
I edited the wrong , reply , smh. Its early , wow now I cant edit above comment. , maybe im wrong and he dont plan on staying , on , I hope im wrong .. thanks , for pointing that out cry , like I said its early , guess I should get my coffee first. Edited wrong posts. , hope my day dont go loke this
I hope you dont plan on staying on , I think you will do fine with 12 weeks , and with twelve weeks , it will make for a easy pct. You dont want to keep the system shut down more than you have to .. good luck
What's your diet like?
can you elaborate further please? what are you saying? you want to just stay on test for ever as long as your seeing strength gains? are you on trt?