+ 17 The Danger of Guaiacol
Last night I was a little bored so I broke in to my stash and decided to pin some 500 mg/ml test E.
As with most high mg gear it contained guaiacol as a solvent used to create that level of concentrate. We see it's use all the time especially in TNE. You've probably had it if you have noticed that stink and unmistakeable taste in your mouth.
After pinning, I kind of felt a little shitty. It wasn't my first rodeo with guiacol so I knew what to expect.
At any rate I sat down and decided to do a little study on guaiacol and my suspicions were correct...that shit is toxic.
"What are you talking about Ed? My boy wouldnt brew something toxic? He's the best source in the world!"
Well kids I hate to break it to you but your boy is likely a 25 year old kid brewing shit up with recipes he found on the Internet And you just payed him 50 bucks for 5 bucks worth of material he doesn't give a shit about the toxicity of your TNE.
So I suggest taking time to study shit out in all things.
At any rate from what I have read guaiacol will kill a man if he ingests 50 mg/kg. just to put that in perspective if you are a 155 lb. adult 3.5 grams of guaiacol will kill you. But that's the kicker, that is the dose of ingested not injected so I am of the belief that it's much more toxic through injection.
Ever inject Winny as opposed to taking it orally? That's right kids the injections are much stronger.
"what is your point Ed?"
Well kids my point is this, sure your intake of guaiacol isn't on the toxic level or you would be dead, however if you are pinning TNE every day and high mg gear on top of that it might be a good idea to check yourself before you wreck yourself. You are likely pinning a little bit of poison every day, and it may likely be the reason you are feeling like shit.
I see a lot of people on here saying that they are allergic to guaiacol. I don't think that's the case, I just think that they are sensitive to the metered dose of poison that they are putting in to their body. That shit can't be good can it?
Just my two cents. If you are a little concerned, I would suggest talking to your source and finding out him much guaiacol he or she might be using as a solvent.
To me, any poison is bad poison that's why they call it poison.
All my love, no homo
Ed.
P.s. I'd site my sources but I'm too lazy today. Google that shit and you'll see that I'm right. Also on a side note, a lot of e-cig oils contain guaiacol as well, so if you smoke E-cigs, pin TNE, and inject high mg gear you might be killing yourself faster than you think.
Be safe my friends.
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Ya but just a forum them two can comment in only. Be like a pay per view five round title fight lol. I guess after every round they can pick two members each and they come in and corner them and comment n what's been said. It's so fun watching ed get in verbal warfare lmao
The guy already made a forum about me but he was too much of a (EDIT) to let me comment and had to change my posts. He's got no balls.
Now I changed your post. You go throwing out the C-word you better be ready for a showdown. Don't do it no more.
He won't learn, he's just a (edit) troll. Dudeblow has been on the site for what three years? That's right, Not a single contributing post. He lives by negative trolling and back door blowjobs.
Douchebaggery at its finest.
Just another reason to stay away from high concentrate gear.
Nope...no guiacol in it...
Meperdine PCA smells caustic....have u ever smelled it when and if you wasted it down the sink? Probably why.demerol is chased with prometh....gonna look into it...
AnonTrue that Ed
I've got some first hand experience with handling EO and Guaiacol and after that I will never ever inject it into my body. After seeing what it does to nylon filters, yuck! That shit almost melts! Not to mention if you get some on your skin.
Please do yourself a favor and stay away from solvents, we want to stay as healthy as possible while doing this right?
PS. Steroid raw material exerts almost no smell.
Rustyhookerhttp://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/guaiacol
Here ed. Maybe there's excerpts that assist
Both EO and guaiacol are horrible for you, read up on their other uses and tell me if you think its good to inject intra muscular lol. Ive told people this 1000 times but no one wants to listen. Let alone what it does to the muscle tissue over a long period of use. The FDA doesnt use it for a reason. Just like I laugh at people who smoke e-cigs , if you think that is "healthier" then your typical cigarette then you are a total fucking moron and a follower lol. They're both solvents and both cause significant damage over time , hence why the muscle gets inflamed , redness , swelling etc etc.
Hey, have you ever heard that EQ crystalizes synovial fluid in the joints? I heard this back in middle 90s.
RustyhookerGood rumor. Lol! If true, I'd be crunchy man from midget tribe Z.
Def agree with you on the EO and guaiacol and muscle tissue. But disagree about ecigs. Are the 100% healthy like some people claim? Fuck no, and experts say the same. But experts who've studied them have said they are atleast 90% healthier then smoking real cigarettes, and thats good enough of me lol. Cigs contain like 4000 chemicals with something like 100 or more being know carcinogens, plus the fact you're inhaling hot smoke into your lungs. Then the E-cig is vapor, with just a few chemicals. Of course you would be much better off just quitting all together, but if thats not feasible at the moment like the e-cig they is a dramatically healthier option. And i have first hand experience with both and ill tell you i feel a hell of alot better when I'm just smoking an ecig compared to when I'm smoking real cigs. But the best move is obviously to quit, which ill do soon enough. But for now I'm gonna have to look for "natural" ecig vapor lol.
Let me know how they work out now that the FDA is digging into them. The things they are starting to expose about e-cigs will make your stomach turn and jaw drop. Phillip morris and a few other big tobacco companies are starting to buy up the little companies, the little companies are being shut down for extremely poor manufacturing skills and even poorer knowledge on what they're doing. Your trading one evil for another. Lol and there is nothing natural about e_cigs the studies on inhaling water vapor alone on the scale of an e-cig alone isnt good let alone some companies havent be exactly truthful on whats in their liquids..... time will tell.
AnonWell one thing I'll chime in on is their method of testing the e cigs is totally off
Putting way too much bolts or wattage to a didposable tank is not good
Great post. I myself have been a fan of TNE with this additive however now I'm wondering what have I done...Thanks for the posting...
I hate the stuff, and my wife can smell that shit from 5 miles off no joke. She like you using that nasty stuff again lol
Damn ed great post
Damn good post. Gonna have to go back to water based. I been using tne lately and the orher day my friend at the gym says " you smell like a chemical factory" lol. The stuff just seeps out of your pours
I'm pumping 3cc's a week of 20% Gauiacol into me and I feel like I am on top of the world. I must be an anomoly.
I pumped 3 cc's of 25% Guaiacol last night.
You aren't an anomaly, just a light-weight.
Wow that is Fd up. Thanks for sharing
Just a little more information if you are curious:
The density of guiacol is 1.11grams per cc.
So if you have a 10 ml vial of TNE and 15% of it is Guaiacol, that's 1.7 grams of Guaiacol per vial.
Hence 3 vials would likely be enough to kill you. That's if the concentration is 15%.
Seems like I read once a recipe for a high concentrate sus blend had 40% Guaiacol.
If that's the case one 10 ml vial would be enough to kill you.
Granted, I don't know any dumbasses stupid enough to pin 10ccs in a day, lol but if Guaiacol's half life is 1.2 days like I have read...well kids that concentration is going to increase on a daily pinning basis.
Could you die from daily pinning of guiacol? I don't know...Maybe.
RustyhookerI was just about to ask the half life. Still that's a lot of injections to get near that dose but still adds up.
Yeah, keep in mind that we are talking about the amount of shit it takes to kill you. How much poison does it take to make you feel like shit or have other adverse effects?
RustyhookerExactly! You know I like my complex stacks. So by time week ends the constant bump of poison and 20 week cycles....ugh.
Lot to be said for standard dosed gear....
Great post Ed.
I'd noticed on some higher mg compounds how I'd feel worse than if I'd just pinned the extra oils. I always assumed it was the guaicol.
Touching base on the tne thing, I think a lot of people are pissing money away for a placebo effect.
If youre mid cycle, and have say a test level of 4,000, your receptors are taking in what's available in your blood stream. It can't all be utilized at once. Then you take a dose of tne, and create a 4-5 hour spike in your levels, it really isn't going to have anywhere to go. I can see early on in a cycle, or if that were the base, but the science just doesn't add up to me once levels are elevated.
I've used it quite a few times. I believe it's more hype than anything. And if the guaicol is poison, I see even less benefit.
May be coincidence, maybe not, but I've noticed whenever I pin something with a hefty amount of guiacol (like TNE) the spot where I pinned almost automatically forms scar tissue. Usually it takes 10 or so pins to form localized scar tissue for me but guiacol speeds but the process.
Exactly what I notice. It feels more sore and "crunchy" when I try to pin it during next rotation.
Thanks for sharing. Aren't most compound bases odorless? The smell in the finished product comes from the oils and solvents used to suspend the base.
I would like to hear from a few src's on this. How they use Guaiacol? In what volume? With what compounds?
I don't regularly stick my nose in the finished product, but the raws have distinctive smells and textures. .. as for guaicol ... I don't use it at all.... I only use EO in the cut blend and keep it as low as I can .. that also isnt meant to be an inject .. read up on it.
From what I have used tren has distinctive smell. Is that in the raws? Kind of off subject. Some gear smells worse sweating it out to. I've had to through clothes out after a cycle of Anadrol. Is that the compound or the bodys own musk pushing out the toxins?
probably a bit of both.. you can put a quarter cup of white vinegar in the wash along with your regular detergent to get rid of smells in your clothing
Cool! I'm gunna try this
Yeah, the smells are usually from the solvents.
I don't brew gear but I would imagine that to suspend some compounds you are likely looking at 10-15% of your injected cocktail is guiacol.
Any of you Brewers feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Percentages are based on different recipes .. it isn't an across the board recipe especially for TNE
Thanks for the input Grrrl. What percentages have you seen in TNE recipes?
anywhere from 15% to 30%
Thanks for the input. :).
dang! tne/dbol blend was some great shit. liked it way better then normal tne. i know they used a bit of guiacol in that.
Great information ED.
I jumped on the TNE train for a short time last year. I wanted to try it as a PWO and I gave it a shot (pun intended). I really didn't do much for me other than make me tired a short time later and raise my estro quickly. It did give me a little strength, but I'm not sure if that was a placebo effect or not.
Like others have said below, I do much better with an otc pwo.
I've always been one to research everything, but this is something I haven't, so thanks for informing us all. (no homo).
I do recall Viking warning all of us how nasty guiacol was.
I vaguely remember that, now that you mention it.
I also remember that he had some double-secret, super advanced, TNE cycles as well...
lol yeah like the one where you pin 100mg 3x a day!!! craziness!
AnonGood info thanks. Dont think Ive ever pinned anything with it, gonna keep it that way
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkGood stuff. Maybe that's one of the reasons I hate TNE. Used it a few times because of all the hype but never really liked it. Personally, I get better results from a good pre-workout drink.
I feel the same way. Don't get me wrong, I love h2o suspension pre-workout, but a little caffeine to me goes just as far.
Plus you don't stink like burning vinyl/acrid smoke with coffee.. You gotta know that smell coming out of you cannt be healthy..
Hmm that's what my ole lady tells me every time I leave the bathroom : /