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+ 17 The Danger of Guaiacol

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Last night I was a little bored so I broke in to my stash and decided to pin some 500 mg/ml test E.
As with most high mg gear it contained guaiacol as a solvent used to create that level of concentrate. We see it's use all the time especially in TNE. You've probably had it if you have noticed that stink and unmistakeable taste in your mouth.
After pinning, I kind of felt a little shitty. It wasn't my first rodeo with guiacol so I knew what to expect.
At any rate I sat down and decided to do a little study on guaiacol and my suspicions were correct...that shit is toxic.
"What are you talking about Ed? My boy wouldnt brew something toxic? He's the best source in the world!"
Well kids I hate to break it to you but your boy is likely a 25 year old kid brewing shit up with recipes he found on the Internet And you just payed him 50 bucks for 5 bucks worth of material he doesn't give a shit about the toxicity of your TNE.
So I suggest taking time to study shit out in all things.
At any rate from what I have read guaiacol will kill a man if he ingests 50 mg/kg. just to put that in perspective if you are a 155 lb. adult 3.5 grams of guaiacol will kill you. But that's the kicker, that is the dose of ingested not injected so I am of the belief that it's much more toxic through injection.
Ever inject Winny as opposed to taking it orally? That's right kids the injections are much stronger.
"what is your point Ed?"
Well kids my point is this, sure your intake of guaiacol isn't on the toxic level or you would be dead, however if you are pinning TNE every day and high mg gear on top of that it might be a good idea to check yourself before you wreck yourself. You are likely pinning a little bit of poison every day, and it may likely be the reason you are feeling like shit.
I see a lot of people on here saying that they are allergic to guaiacol. I don't think that's the case, I just think that they are sensitive to the metered dose of poison that they are putting in to their body. That shit can't be good can it?

Just my two cents. If you are a little concerned, I would suggest talking to your source and finding out him much guaiacol he or she might be using as a solvent.
To me, any poison is bad poison that's why they call it poison.

All my love, no homo
Ed.

P.s. I'd site my sources but I'm too lazy today. Google that shit and you'll see that I'm right. Also on a side note, a lot of e-cig oils contain guaiacol as well, so if you smoke E-cigs, pin TNE, and inject high mg gear you might be killing yourself faster than you think.

Be safe my friends.

press1's picture

Insightful Post Good

Gh0st's picture

Bump .. what's a normal or high concentration of guaiacol anyways?

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Deathpool's picture

Now I know why i felt like ass every time i pinned Mutas Tren E 500 . Thanks Ed

TheFlash85's picture

X 2 same stuff that put me on death bed in hospital for 11 days

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Im fucked then................. i quit with the gear but im sucking the living fuck outa this E-cig

Lifes not fair............... every angle some prick is trying his best to poison me.

FUCK IT........ im going to syria to Rage out......................

Engineereddisaster's picture

Sorry bro, everything will kill you. Smile

Pale's picture

$%$ off...We don't need sick #$%& like you around here.

I edited it. I am not as angry now as I was earlier.

KAM1314's picture

You should of at least got the name of his source that sells guaiacol winny lol

Pale's picture

Apparently he figures by insulting my chosen dialect it will make me realize the error of my ways and correct my heinous actions. LOL, no, not at all. Instead of letting you back on in a day or so you can start over (and hope I don't figure you out and ban you again.)

fusebox's picture

Thanks pale. Any chance at removing the stupid comments so no one gets any ideas

Pale's picture

No, I want them to see how a stupid, irresponsible comment like this guy made will get you shown the door. This reminds me of the guy that admitted juicing his pitbull on here a couple years ago. He met the same fate. We may look like barbarians and vikings around here but these dudes are by and large caring people that also love their animals and would never do stupid and cruel shit like this. Motherfucker probably belongs in prison...

fusebox's picture

I wonder if this theory would work for my daughter's boyfriends. If I beat the shit out a one will word spread

Pale's picture

That is what I do. :), but it is funny, in spite of how big and mean I try to look they are all actually scared of my wife, lmao

guitarplayer1's picture

lmao... so true bro...so true.

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fusebox's picture

Not in my house. My wife is an angel. They all love her. But they are all scared of me. Not scared enough to quit coming around though. Yet

fusebox's picture

Yep that was me -1 because you are serious about doing this to an animal.

The Impastable's picture

This is not science. Conducting tests on animals =\= conducting tests on humans, as we react differently. It's not a basic math equation to get lethal dosages...

It is animal cruelty.

And I'm my pitbull's protector. Not the other way around.

This isn't science you're proposing, it's nonsense.

The Impastable's picture

I'm not arguing the merits and cons of animal testing, I'm not against clinical animal testing. I'm saying human testing is done because there are variations between the effects drugs have on animals and on humans. I'm not aware of drug companies going directly from lab rat exams, straight to production. Human clinical trials are run. How many drugs have worked for lab rats, and failed to work for humans?

I'm also arguing the point that going out and getting a pig or dog is cruelty, because none of us are able to obtain a sample size large enough to generate enough data to use. Going out and buying a pig/dog just to kill it with guiacol is fucking stupid on a personal level, leave it to the medical corporations to do it. With more controls, more constants, and the ability to monitor exactly what causes the guiacol to act the way it does.

The Impastable's picture

You've got to be fucking kidding me...

Edit: well, didn't see that you're banned, but I'm glad you are. Your line of thinking is downright stupid, and I never resort to that type of comment when analyzing other people's beliefs and opinions.

Engineereddisaster's picture

The density of Guaiacol is:
1.11 grams per ml

Hope that helps.

If you go through and read all the comments you'll see that I have done most of the math that you are looking for.

Might save you a little time

wolverinewannabe's picture

Hmmm. Velly eentellesting...but NOT shtupid! Thanks for shedding some light on this for us, Ed. +1

Vitrex-Labs's picture

Now your PM makes sense from our previous discussion. People read into the fancy stuff as we discussed....1000mg Test Ent and the little 18 year old goes "i need more". All these blends and supertest formulas etc are just hooha in a sense...Do you think Arnold had Test ent 600 and EQ/Deca blends ummmm no! They had traditional compounds with cottonseed oil! So you mean i can get huge if i take a gram of everything V....No eat some food shit!

Another outstanding point....do your research on the true cost of raws the true brewing method. Understand what you are putting in your body. Understand true ratios for common methods and what BB and BA are!

Last but not least drugs are bad MMkay....

Educate before you medicate!

Engineereddisaster's picture

Lol, I think for a while Arnold ran Dbol only cycles didn't he?

MegaT883's picture

GooD Post ED. Thanks for the info. +1

Engineereddisaster's picture

Thanks brother good to see you around.

NoWeakAces's picture

So, are you saying carbs are ok to eat?

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Im too lazy to read to the end of the comments at this point, so this may have been covered. I remember a while back, a SRC stated that guaiacol would literally eat through varnish if it was dripped onto a table and not cleaned up. I could only imaging the damage it does to the muscle we are so desperately trying to build. I have never been too into high concetrate gear, and I only have 1 vial of tne left. After that's gone, I'm switching to suspension for good. Thanks for the info buddy, I literrally love you for this fun fact.

dudebro's picture

Hmm not finding many facts to back this up. Sounds like you're more likely to die from water intoxication.

Water, just like any other substance, can be considered a poison when over-consumed in a specific period of time. Water intoxication mostly occurs when water is being consumed in a high quantity without giving the body the proper nutrients it needs to be healthy, but even healthy people can get water intoxication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication#Notable_cases

crazymofo's picture

Below is a chart with toxic ratings. To the right is the dose per kg that is lethal for 50% of those exposed to that amount. Guaiacol is a class 5, water is lets say a little bit less toxic.

TOXICITY RATING FOR HUMANS (70 KG BODY WEIGHT)
Rating/Class Dose

SOURCE: Gosselin, et al. (1984). Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkens.

  1. Super toxic <5 mg/kg
  2. Extremely toxic 5–50 mg/kg
  3. Very toxic 50–500 mg/kg
  4. Moderately toxic 0.5–5 g/kg
  5. Slightly toxic 5–15 g/kg
  6. Practically nontoxic >15 g/kg

Read more: http://www.chemistryexplained.com/Te-Va/Toxicity.html#ixzz3T3nqYsN3

Engineereddisaster's picture

Try again bro. Guaiacol's toxicity is 50mg/kg. go re-read what I wrote and check out the sources.

That places it as a class 3. "VERY TOXIC"

But hey thanks for playing.

crazymofo's picture

weird the copy/paste of the chart changed.. click on the link its different. Even the link you posted below listed it as toxic rating class 5

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128432

It is class III by the EPA rating though. That is a different scale though.

crazymofo's picture

edit: tried to post again, text goes in numerically 6-1 in descending order but when I hit save I think the website auto corrects maybe? and inverts the numbers 1-6 descending.... wierd

Engineereddisaster's picture

Doesn't really matter either way. The toxicity is still 50 mg/ml. Which when you look at how much a juicer potentially injects...it's just not healthy. Not even comparable to water.
You get a juicer that is injecting 20% guiacol TNE every morning, smoking ecigs every day and making homage ECA stacks with primatene tablets (containes guiafanesen) and you have a high probability of getting sick. That was the point of the post. Some people know first hand how even a little gets them sick.
That was the whole purpose of the post. We are about being healthy. Well at least I am and the majority of us are. Not about seeing how much shit we can inject before we die.

crazymofo's picture

I was agreeing with you 100%. The chart not posting right made my post look idiotic. I was trying to say that comparing guaicol to water was stupid. My sarcasm didn't translate the way I was intending it to.

When you made this post it made me go out and do a lot of reading on the stuff. I think I am just going to trash my TNE that I have now because the benefits don't outweigh the potential harm. I think the post is excellent. The shit we do already is hard enough on our bodies.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Cool. My bad, I must have read you wrong.
+2 for playing and to show I've got no hard feelings.

crazymofo's picture

Nah, its all good. With the way the chart auto corrected and the way I commented it really did look like I was saying it was like water. I didn't catch it after I posted but you caught it and hopefully other people who read it understand it.

Engineereddisaster's picture

We'll just chalk it up to you being a crazymofo. Smile

crazymofo's picture

Haha, you can blame whatever you want to on me as long as it doesn't get me in front of a judge.... again.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Deal. Smile

Engineereddisaster's picture

Hmmmm, you are likely not finding anything because you don't have the mental capacity to read anything that is written above a first grade level.

Let me help you out a little.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128432

http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/guaiacol

https://books.google.com/books?id=DbEKAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA570&lpg=PA570&dq=gua...

My suggestion would be to have your boyfriend read the selected materials to you and explain them in a way that you can understand, and then have him help you work your way through the citations of each source. This may take you back as far as 1987, so have a little patience.

Hope that helps.

dudebro's picture

If that's the case one 10 ml vial would be enough to kill you.

Don't see anything there about a vial of TNE being enough to kill a man. 5ml of guaiacol caused the death of a 9 yr old girl. Everyone knows guaiacol isn't good for you but nobody is gonna drop dead from pinning TNE. Like I said you're more likely to die from drinking too much water.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Bro, this is where your shitty reading comprehension hurts you every time.

I'm not going to explain the math to you. You'll have to go to school for that. Let me explain to you again, the toxicity of Guaiacol is 50mg/kg. this falls into the category of "very toxic"
We aren't talking about water you dumbass, that doesn't even fall into the same category.

My example of a ten ml vial killing someone was an extreme case to show that yes it is possible to die from a 10 ml vial. If the guiacol content is high enough.
Google the density of guiacol and have someone help you with the math and you'll see that I'm right.
However the point I was trying to make is that the shit is toxic. You aren't likely going to die from it, but there is a possibility that it is going to make you feel like shit and make you sick.
Which is what we see all the time.
Study a little deeper, because so far all you have done is convince me that you don't understand the math.

dudebro's picture

Did you hear about that one time a 9 yr old girl from Mexico died from ingesting 5 ml of guaiacol? Maybe you can do a write up about how you can die from eating a handful of Tylenol.

Engineereddisaster's picture

To further prove my point here is a math problem.

  1. If you have a 10 ml bottle of sustanon and it required 40% Guaiacol in the cocktail to stabilize it into an injectable oil, how many grams of Guaiacol will be in that single vial of sustanon?

Answer that Dudebro and we can further the discussion. If you can't then I rest my case with the fact that you are too stupid to understand the math.
I'll patiently await your answer.

dudebro's picture

Well then I guess we established nobody is gonna OD on their bottle of TNE no matter what % of guaiacol is in there I guess we can move on to this little gem of yours.

But that's the kicker, that is the dose of ingested not injected so I am of the belief that it's much more toxic through injection.
Ever inject Winny as opposed to taking it orally? That's right kids the injections are much stronger.

I spent the entire day searching Google books and I can't seem to find anything relating to guaiacol toxicity and Winstrol injections. Perhaps you can fill me in or would you rather keep rambling on about sucking cock? Seems like you have some serious repressed homosexual anger issues there buddy. Maybe you should see a therapist about that.