+ 17 The Danger of Guaiacol
Last night I was a little bored so I broke in to my stash and decided to pin some 500 mg/ml test E.
As with most high mg gear it contained guaiacol as a solvent used to create that level of concentrate. We see it's use all the time especially in TNE. You've probably had it if you have noticed that stink and unmistakeable taste in your mouth.
After pinning, I kind of felt a little shitty. It wasn't my first rodeo with guiacol so I knew what to expect.
At any rate I sat down and decided to do a little study on guaiacol and my suspicions were correct...that shit is toxic.
"What are you talking about Ed? My boy wouldnt brew something toxic? He's the best source in the world!"
Well kids I hate to break it to you but your boy is likely a 25 year old kid brewing shit up with recipes he found on the Internet And you just payed him 50 bucks for 5 bucks worth of material he doesn't give a shit about the toxicity of your TNE.
So I suggest taking time to study shit out in all things.
At any rate from what I have read guaiacol will kill a man if he ingests 50 mg/kg. just to put that in perspective if you are a 155 lb. adult 3.5 grams of guaiacol will kill you. But that's the kicker, that is the dose of ingested not injected so I am of the belief that it's much more toxic through injection.
Ever inject Winny as opposed to taking it orally? That's right kids the injections are much stronger.
"what is your point Ed?"
Well kids my point is this, sure your intake of guaiacol isn't on the toxic level or you would be dead, however if you are pinning TNE every day and high mg gear on top of that it might be a good idea to check yourself before you wreck yourself. You are likely pinning a little bit of poison every day, and it may likely be the reason you are feeling like shit.
I see a lot of people on here saying that they are allergic to guaiacol. I don't think that's the case, I just think that they are sensitive to the metered dose of poison that they are putting in to their body. That shit can't be good can it?
Just my two cents. If you are a little concerned, I would suggest talking to your source and finding out him much guaiacol he or she might be using as a solvent.
To me, any poison is bad poison that's why they call it poison.
All my love, no homo
Ed.
P.s. I'd site my sources but I'm too lazy today. Google that shit and you'll see that I'm right. Also on a side note, a lot of e-cig oils contain guaiacol as well, so if you smoke E-cigs, pin TNE, and inject high mg gear you might be killing yourself faster than you think.
Be safe my friends.
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I haven't touched high dosed gear in years. There's just no point really. Why buy 500mg test e just to end up cutting it with gso?
RustyhookerI don't cut. Blend it lots though. I always run a stack.
Um yeah, you will need to answer my homework question before I feel that you are qualified to further the conversation on this subject.
I don't have to answer to anyone I'm not the one that wrote up this type of broscience garbage.
Yeah you're real qualified to make a statement like that with absolutely nothing to back it up lmao. I thought you said you had facts to back up all this nonsense?
You won't answer the question because you can't. I get it.
If you were capable of answering you would have to agree with my point. But since you are too stupid to answer you'll just have to take my word for it.
AnonIm brand new here but jesus. Seems u have nothing better to do than cause drama. Your not very inviring or encouraging for new people. This and your other posts seem like you have nothing better to do to be honest. No life but trolling people.
So, I write this post, as an informative post, sharing a few ideas that haven't been shared before. Every single person who commented had something positive to say except Dudebro who came on the attack quite ignorantly. I stand my ground and I'm trolling.
You come in, knowing nothing about me or my contributions to the site with this comment, (probably the first comment you've made here) with this kind of comment and Im the troll?
My suggestion would be to take a little time and read my posts there are enough to keep you busy for a couple of days and see if I'm about causing drama.
This post had nothing to do with drama.
So my conclusion is either you are an ignorant kid or an new account created by dudebro because no one had his back. Either way you just earned douche bag status in my book already, which is actually hard to do.
Best of luck kid.
All my love, no homo
Ed
UPDATE:
After looking at a couple of your posts, I am convinced that you are a former member with a new account.
Your pages says that you have only been here a Month, yet on one post you mention how Viking loved Masteron. Given the fact that Viking has been gone for a lot longer than you have been around, this convinces me that you are a previously banned member. Come clean bro. Who are you? Revenge85 or whatever the hell his second name was?
Lol, this is funny shit.
AnonLol sorry I was only pissing myself laughing at the whole argument. I totally agree with your post. So I guess im guilty of being a troll. No have not been a member on here before but I do watch the site I guess I made myself look stupid for doing this so I apoligise for that. I was sitting with a friend and we were just reading the spat coffee all over keyboard we were just laughing. Sorry for that.
Yeah bro, it's too bad that you decided to disrespect me right out of the gate.
Run along dick head.
-2 for trolling my thread.
AnonOk. I can see I deserve it. Ill just watch from now on. I should of reworded the way it was written. I honestly was just laughing so much and I knew someone would react to it therefore making us laugh more. Im sorry for disrespecting you like that. I was wrong to do so.
I suppose I should look into it. I am curious now myself.
My advice to you would be to sit back and watch for awhile..
AnonOk I apoligise it wont happen again. We were trying to have a laugh. Sorry.
And the classroom erupts with laughter as teacher ED slaps student dudebro upside the head with a big chalkboard eraser
So you think it's possible to die from a 10ml bottle of TNE? That is just idiotic.
Rustyhooker2 day life of this poison. So you pin 2-3 cc of tne. Plus a cycle stack of 3 cc eod. ..buildup. androgen build up, toxins buildup. Granted 35 cc means death...what's that doing to your injected meat bro?
Your missing the whole point of this post. Let me use an example let's say rat poison takes 50 mg to kill a healthy adult male. That doesn't mean I'm goin to go eat 10 mgs eod.(these aren't actual numbers just made them up to give u a different perspective. What ed is saying instead of people been allergic to it maybe there more sensitive to the toxicity. Your point is moot injecting ten ml n one person in a day they may be fine but another person might have serious health issues. It clearly is toxic to humans but we all differ on the toxicity. I might get drunk on ten beers where u can drink an 18 pack and a pint of liquor but just bc u drank more does that mean we are both not drunk? Just your tolerance is higher than mine
Dudebro is an idiot. He doesn't have the common sense to understand it, on top of that he doesn't want to understand it because it would have to mean I made a good point and he's against that because he's a prick.
Really not worth wasting time him.
Not worth wasting time lol that's a good one buddy. Why don't you go write another crybaby forum about me in your little group. What a shame that didn't get any support lol.
Still ass hurt over that post huh. Lol I'm sorry pm me your address and I'll send you some vagisil.
Seriously bro. I wish I could explain all of this to your dumbass but I can't get around the fact that you are a ...dumbass.
Sorry. Next time bring me a valid argument and maybe you'll do better.
Thanks for playing though.
I don't inject any of that high mg garbage anyway. I don't think anyone with any sense uses that stuff but this entire post is just guesswork and fearmongering. I hardly call some book found on google books written by a couple of guys nobody has ever heard of a legit source of info but hey I guess that's what qualifies as EXP around here.
Bro, I submitted scientific journals, and if you were capable of checking the citations on the Google book you'd see the validity.
At any rate, I'd continue to argue with you if you had at least one valid point but you don't.
Yeah I read about the 9 yr old girl that died from ingesting 5ml of guaiacol. So explain to me how that translates into a full grown man dropping dead from a 10ml bottle of TNE with 15% guaiacol because you're so good at math and all.
I already explained it, you don't have the capacity to understand it. I can't help you there. Everyone else who read it understood the idea that I was trying to convey. I wish I had a way to explain it in terms of sucking on cock so that you would be able to grasp the idea but I can't.
Sorry.
Here's a scientific study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128432
Guess you no more than scientist dude are u really this dense. Who's fear mongering no one said u would die if u inject a ml of the for a pre workout lol. U have not brought one valid point to this forum. What evidence do u present to say it's not toxic I'm willing to read it
Did I say it's not toxic? Everything is "toxic" if you ingest too much. You can find just as much if not more of the same type shit on benzyl benzoate. Oh no don't use 100ml of test all at once you might OD on benzyl benzoate!
Really so here's benzoyl benzoate.
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC33783
If inhaled cough sore throat
Gets on skin may be absorbed cause dry or red skin
Gets in your Eyes cause redness
From the international safety website.
Now the other website about Guaiacol according to a scientific study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22128432
Depending of the dose, high toxicity was observed; sub lethal doses (6.25-12.5 microl/40 g) produced tachycardia and hyperactivity, follow by sedation, hypnosis, high hypothermic effect (loss of 6 degrees C) dyspnea, myoclonus, hematuria, blindness, abdominal distension and in higher doses (25-400 microl/40 g) lethal effect. Necropsy showed hepatic and renal necrosis, pulmonary edema, hemorrhages and bladder clotting. We concluded that guaiacol is an extremely toxic product (toxic rating class 5) whose use should be restricted or banned.
Really so your point is moot again u bring nothing to this arguement
Lol 2 completely different sources. It's the internet you can find a source to back up just about anything you want.
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+208
Reported Fatal Dose:
3. 3= MODERATELY TOXIC: PROBABLE ORAL LETHAL DOSE (HUMAN) 0.5-5 G/KG, BETWEEN 1 OZ & 1 PINT (OR 1 LB) FOR 70 KG PERSON (150 LB).
[Gosselin, R.E., H.C. Hodge, R.P. Smith, and M.N. Gleason. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 4th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1976., p. II-137] PEER REVIEWED
http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/benzyl_benzoate
IF APPLIED OVER TOO WIDE AN AREA OR TOO FREQUENTLY /TO SMALL ANIMALS/ IT CAN INDUCE TOXIC EFFECTS WHICH ARE SOMETIMES FATAL. SIGNS OF TOXICITY INCL NAUSEA, VOMITING & DIARRHEA, WITH DEPRESSION OF RESPIRATION & OF THE HEART. CATS ARE PARTICULARLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS ACTION... MOST PROMINENT FEATURE IS NERVOUS EXCITABILITY.
Humphreys, D.J. Veterinary Toxicology. 3rd ed. London, England: Bailliere Tindell, 1988., p. 131
Cats receiving 33% benzyl benzoate in isopropyl alcohol (two doses of 22,420 mg each), ethyl alcohol (two doses of 22,420 mg each), or water (three doses of 22,420 mg each) locally died at 43, 46, and 69 hr after treatment, respectively.
Hayes, W.J., Jr., E.R. Laws, Jr., (eds.). Handbook of Pesticide Toxicology. Volume 3. Classes of Pesticides. New York, NY: Academic Press, Inc., 1991., p. 1506
But back to my original point nobody is gonna die from any of this shit. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find just as many studies saying all this shit is completely safe.
Human toxicity
Benzyl benzoate is relatively nontoxic but may irritate the skin and eyes.
Your a dumbness lmao that is the first sentence of the first link u posted lmfao thanks for proving me right dude lol
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+208
Did u even read this link lol read the first sentence lol
Yet it still has a lethal dose you (EDIT). I wouldn't expect a guy that doesn't know the difference between between no and know to be able to comprehend this.
Back to my original point. You're more likely to die from drinking too much water than injecting anything with too much guaiacol.
This is your final warning.
Fair enough I guess his "your a dumbness" comment was just too silly to respond to anyway.
No u are not lol. Let's see who gets the thumbs up with this argument lol. Now your trying to win the argument grammar police lol. Let me ask u is water in any class of toxic substance? Because the other is a class five toxic substances. Water is not more toxic wow dude
Please eriods post who the tard is in this forum if it's me please say and I will admit I'm wrong but if I'm right let's see if the dude can admit it
Oh no I really don't know what I'll do if you win an internet popularity contest with me.
If I'm wrong I want to know I'll admit I was dude. I'm a man and can admit if I'm wrong but water is not more toxic
I already posted the links of many people dying from drinking too much water. I guess I'll just sit back and wait for the links of people dying from all these solvents.
You are arguing a ridiculous point. Stating that water is more dangerous than any solvent, spits in the face of any rational thought. We all know about acute water intoxication. But to actually compare the 2 things to each other on a toxicity level, holy shit bro...I mean dudebro.
I never said it's more toxic, I said you're more likely to die from drinking too much water which is an absolute medical fact.
He's an idiot. You'll never be able to insert common sense into an argument with this guy because that is something he will always lack.
Every creature on earth drinks water everyday lol. How many people inject guaiacol everyday maybe few thousand people. Hmmm 30 billion creatures drinking water compared to few thousand maybe not even that daily. Let's do an experiment dude tomorrow I'll drink a gallon of water and tomorrow u inject a gallon of guaiacol and let's see who's here monday. Let's hope the community takes your warning and everyone stops drinking water before 90 percent of eriods is gone from ingesting water. Your right I see a new light thank u dude u saved me
You're more likely to die from falling icicles while vacationing in Russia than you are from a 10ml vial of TNE.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7512865/Falling-...
There you go again confusing him with numbers.
Try layman's terms I think I made it pretty simple the point that's trying to be made with this forum and imo is a great forum for the community hopefully his rebuttal doesn't have something to do with water
H2O. Water. Numbers got him all confused again
Yes I do. Pin the whole thing and get back to me. I've only ran one vial of tne so far and I have a bunch left but I think I'm gonna stick with suspension from now on
Why do you figure that is idiotic? I think it would a real possibility if you injected 10ml of just about anabolic. If the juice don't get you the subsequent infection probably would.
Because it's based on pretty much nothing at all. I'm sure there's plenty of guys that have injected 10ml in a day but I would hope they're smart enough to spread out the injection sites.
Lmao, Dudebro when are you going to learn not to provoke that guy?
Can we have a forum where ed and the dude go toe to toe and there the only ones that comment in it lmao. Just for entertainment purposes lmfao
I think we have had them square off a few times now,lol