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BigBmajMethadone clinics every morning is no way to live. I did it for 4 years and it made me a worthless slob. I know some people need to do things for pain management and I'm all for using anything it takes to get through the day. I don't care what it takes for people to exist with less pain. But methadone is no way of life. Suboxone, bupe, subutex, all the same shit really, it's a great stepping stone to getting sober but it's not sobriety. If it's being used for pain then use it, but it does come with a cost.
I just detoxed and I so badly wanted to just take some suboxone and be fine. But I've tried that and it didn't work for me.
So I don't know what I'm trying to say here except THINK BEFORE YOU TAKE THE PLUNGE INTO OPIATE MAINTENANCE. If it just means you don't want to kick for a few days I would seriously reconsider. I could have just been sick for awhile instead I stood out in the snow with a bunch of junkies waiting to get my shit so I could semi function for a few years. And they never wanted me to come off. Oh and let me tell you about the fun I had when I got kicked out and got sick. If you think heroin withdrawl is rough, holy shit it was bad. I didn't even know they could just kick you out. I managed to do it somehow.
Suboxone cost me $700 a month, I took it for 30 months. So I would consider the $21,000 you have to pay if you don't have any or good insurance. But then again I probably spent a half a million on dope. Fuck it, if you can't stay sober go for it, when I look at it that way. Who knows? Just think before you jump is all I'm trying to say here.
Methadone is a horrible drug! I don't disagree. I've seen the long lines outside the clinic with the melted face ppl from the Pink Floyd "The Wall" video.
You're right about the methadone. I was taking 120mgs a day. I tapered down for a year and still had the worst withdrawals. They lasted 4 months. But even after that, I found that I've given myself I chemical imbalance. DO NOT take the methadone route. I did for almost 7 years. If you take suboxone understand that the docs don't want you off it. Suboxone is meant to be a two week taper OFF opiates, Not as maintence. Im 2 years into it now and I know that coming off of everything will be a tough life long struggle.
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agreed that Most ppl are better off not stayin on a long term mait program, That can ruin your life just as easily, may not be as fast but it can be ruined all the same
But hey on the other hand ppl may need it
I feel ya. all types of people, lawyers, doctors, engineers,junkies,grandparents, sons and daughters, trainers,musicians,construction workers, lovers, all sorts of people who use maintenance programs for myriads of reasons. people who pull your teeth, cut your hair, cut you open and sew you shut. so many reasons to avoid maintenance programs too. its purely technology, these programs used for good and bad reasons which to you again could be good or bad. I have a friend. he's a Mason an artist, graphic artist and done users. he gets 6 take homes which he admits is a struggle because he IS an addict, his wife keeps the under lock and key. he only has to go to the clinic once a week. he has told me of people who get 30 take homes at once. people who have been dependent for 10 or more years. the brain chemistry of the addict is scientificly different. so large variety of treatments are available as long as the government can bend you over at the same time. thinking before you jump into something like that should be taken seriously just like you said. hope your do good bud and had an awesome holiday break. I got my powders in and start up a bad ass cycle of low test, tren and mast on the tenth. can't wait.
you can feel that if you choose. "Welcome to the recovery lounge, this is safe place where eroid members can talk about recovery, steroids and recovery, or any other topic!" so far this discussion about transitioning from toxic to clean is congruent with recovery. what you've posted is your opinion and I respect that. you have your first amendment rights to belittle and scold those who choose a different route leading to their recovery than you which is telling. for me I will continue my maintained sobriety and natural pain management that with out I could never hope to have a normal life. thank you for your opinion, anonymous stranger from the enternet.
for every one else, I'm proud of you and since finding this thread and looking at the older story have bolstered my stance on refraining from the pain Med doctors who unlike several of you, donot have my best interests in mind. I love droids and the longer I'm here, the more I learn each. thank you.
swoller87AA people are usually very snobbie and egotistical. There always on there high horse. That was my expierence with aa and i was forced to go for years so.
swoller87OR ANY OTHER PROGRAM. AA is not the say all be all aa doesnt work for everyone bro. Some of us are very strong minded and willed while others arent. And they may need a group of people or fellowship to help them. But my fellowship and support comes from my friends and family and god alone. Suboxone is still using no doubt bro but it saved my life, we need to remember that this is a disease and some do recover but most dont. Atleast im not in the streets stealing and lieying to get my fix and hurting my friends and family. And if kratom will cure the withdrawals from low dose suboxone hell i can kick subs no doubt in my mind! I hate this shit its a fucked up disease. As long as theres not serious withdrawals from kratom im good. And if there is im sure kratom is way healthier than suboxone. So if i have to trade one evil for the lesser so be it. God bless bro. my 2 cents
my sentiment exactly. subs and done are there to negate the need of getting these class of drugs in dangerous situations. 100% seperation. now kratom is a 100% separation from that! that leaves you detoxing comfortably while saving your wallet. again. I've never experienced withdrawal and I've forgotten several times to my painful detriment to redose! that hold these types of pain meds which amplifys pain btw is suddenly unbounded! no fiendish qualitys. that relief in its self is remarkable ! now you only have to worry about your gear and training because you know your kratom isn't toxic and your machine is gearing clean. kratom can be abused. but for us ogs who need opioids to kill real pain such as mine, two slipping and herniated discs with thecal sac compression, kratom is litterally a natural God send. I have zero regrets in sharing this knowledge and send shame back to the shamers because we are all love. I choose love over fear. if my brother is hard on some synthetic misery ill tell him about Kratom 100% of the time. no ods. no toxicity, no fiending, no bullshit, except from those choosing not to understand. I've gotten 7 people asking me about kratom and six who have ordered and on their way off pain meds. nobody's going to tell me that's a bad thing. SAINTS
I figured this would be the place to get an answer for a question I've wondered for a long time. I HATE my addiction with a passion. Being on the drugs that got me here( including the ones I'm prescribed) make me numb to real life experiences. So I asked if kratom could be used to trasition off opiates without withdrawals once kratom is discontinued. Even though 90% of the newer posts have been stories about recovery, sometimes discussing it with others is the best way to remind yourself that we are all addicts. We'll always have a battle to face. Im 28, and my goal is to make up for all the destruction I've inflicted on my body through drug use, for the rest of my life. My goal is to be a productive and strong husband to my wife and father to my son. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE DISCUSS what your personal long term/short term goal are.
GOOD!
now that we can share expeirence with, WANTING AND NEEDING to stop but being unable to do so...
If your truly do think you are an addict, i would suggest going to a NA mtg ASAP!
GO high if you have to but GO, it is possible to come off opiates, I did, and countless other have to, take the first step...
Your life is Miserable you say? go to 90 mtgs in 90 days , if you still want to get high we will GLADLY REFUND your misery!
PS- did i keep with our 11th tradition their? LOL
anonymity aside I'd say the 11th tradition was completely trampled. you're not the only one with a pocket full of magic coins. might should read the 11th a few more times. honey is much more attractive by experience.
I'm actually proud to say that this January will be 1 year clean off heroin. I was clean before but relapsed when my ex cheated on me an left. I take low doses of suboxone and Xanax, but it does NOT get me high, just normal and a little numb to life. It's not enjoyable at all. Buy at least it's legal an prescribed. My goal is to continue to lower the amount needed every month till I'm going through one strip of suboxone a week, and .10 of Xanax a day. From there, detox off everything will be next. So maybe some kratom and valerian root might ease the trasition
no apologies sir. I have been there. the deppression I have is limitless. perhaps the same as you but as im sure you know, this soon will pass. detoxing sucks but fuck it if you can't finely feel again. the non fiendish qualities of kratom WILL promote habbit. and what better habbit then bliss from the fiendish ?
swoller87Kratom definatley kills the withdrawals I only took 2.5 grams and it works great. Good luck brotha
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times minus two, haha just fucking with you...but seriously, minus 2.
I havent even seen RoidNoid in here for a while, that might be saying something...
Does ANYBODY have experience with coming off a moderately strong cycle (test, tren, superdrol) 14-16 weeks while on suboxone, or opiates? My sex drive an energy was already pretty low when I take my meds. I'm also on about .50mg of Xanax as well. Suboxone dose is relatively low. One 8mg strip last me 3-3 1/2 days. Any help is appreciated. I have already dropped the tren and now I have two more weeks on 400mgs of test enanthate. My PCT is: Toremifene, nolvadex, 5000ius HCG, pramipexol, as well as d-aspartic acid/tribulus, b-12, creatine/bcaa's, and ghrp-6. Maybe igf-1 lr3 later on after the serm taper. I also have liquid Cialis in case needed. I know it may seem like overkill, but the test boosters are for an easier transition off the serms. The ghrp-6 is for a month after pct to keep my diet up, and it really does help for me.
hey bro, if you have a spair bottle of test prop, I would use that for the last two weeks. it will save you a bit of time because you can hop on your pct aloooot sooner. I really like test e but for the bang for my Buck, the esterweight is at about 25 to 30 percent at times, so when you pin one CC of 100mg of an e ester, you're pinning 75mg of useable test respectivly. with test prop, its a bit over 80 to 89 percent on average. so, if nothing else, maybe that's just some info you might find useful at some point, if not now. I would use prop for the last two weeks cause you hop on pct muuuuch quicker and risk less lean mass from the two week break of shitty lifts and feeling like you just got demoted or some shit because of the enanthate ester half life. see what i mean bro?
I personally believe in sling shot cycles ... 8 weeks on , two weeks pct, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks pct. I love it. why deminish gains when you can normalize just enough during a 2 week pct with out having the negative experience of your body theriomorphing (transformation from man to beast back to man) haha. either way have a great cycle. a trt regiment might be appropriate because opiates will kill your testosterone. or maybe you can find even better permanent advice, or thread.
your pct doesn't have any clomid which is responsible for blocking estrogen at your pituitary. Nolva or other drugs don't do this so I'd recommend you get some clomid. This will reduce the time it takes for your body to start producing naturally again. Another thing that might help you is proviron. That can help give you that boost in libido and make you not feel like total crap. It doesn't hurt recovery, it is a steroid but doesn't shut you down so you can take it during PCT if you need. It's a mild estrogen blocker as well. That might be necessary to help transition you
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Okay, I'll get clomid, it's cheap so why not. Should I dump the nolva, or could I run 3 serms? I've read a little on proviron. Some say to take large amounts while other say different. Would this be ran for a few months during and after pct? Or would I throw it in if I'm not responding well enough after the HCG blast and serm taper?
swoller87I would say just nolva and clomid or toremifene and clomid. Drop nolva or toremifene i prefer toremifene. Proviron could be used like a bridge i suppose keep u anabolic just run it the entire length of pct. Any steroid will shut u down eventually some way faster than others.
BigBmajI thihk the biggest thing is just to accept going back to a place of low energy and sexdrive. And keep your estrogen in check. Remember no matter how low you go dope can always drop you much deeper. Then you will really say goodbye to your gains.
I always stayed on TRT dose tho. Hope that helps a tad. You take an antidepressant?
No antidepressants. I've been on Zoloft, ability, lithium, Wellbutrin, adderal, Ritalin, propranolol, clonapin, but now only suboxone and Xanax. I also made a mistake and never took bloods before I started gear. So I'll never know if I had low test in the beginning. I'm not depressed, just lacking sexdrive mainly. I know 90% will frown on trt at my age, but I've really messed myself up in the past. Test is a productive drug and pretty cheap at 200mgs a week. As long as it keeps me from shooting a gram of black tar a day, I'm willing to take the great responsibilities that comes with it. But I wouldn't go this route unless I had bloods 20 weeks out from pct to back it up
swoller87Im 26 been on trt for a year. Let em frown. If u abused opiates for years your test was low.
hey y'all. I was prescribed 90 opana 90 Roxy 30s and 90 Roxie 15s. my doc was about to add methedone until I found Kratom. I get it online ad a decent price. 200 grams for about 100 dollars. 7 grams is my dose. takes my pain from an 8 to a dull two. if I drink white grapefruit juice on it I will nod. duration is about 10 hours. all natural. no Chen's. cleaned me up and gave energy. I love it. for some one with the type of back injury I have, its a godsend. I've tried different strains but for pain efferts I use dragon red Thai. a red leaf that's been powdered. I hope you all are staying strong and fit in the face of your mortal coil. much love.
If you take kratom to get off opiates is there withdrawals when you wanna stop it?
BigBmajWondering this myself. Heard mixed reviews on the stuff myself.
Thats a great question. My only problem with kratom is that i forget to redose all the time, now it could be because of the ptsd, but my point is that in my experience with the strains i have tried, I felt no Fiendish urges. I have NEVER experienced with draws from stopping cold turky. Now, I THINK i saw some one mention in a blog some where that Some people do experience withdraws. this person didnt add any proof or evidence of these people who withdrew.
PM me if you want to know my source, i wont post it here. I not at all affiliated with them. But there are several sources out there. some that offer some type of liquid version called Full Spectrum. these are pretty much like the supliment world. Its a scam. Ive tried some with zero effects. I have wasted alot of money trying different sources so if any one is interested, by all means i will let you know. You could probably find it by typing "Thai Red Dragon Kratom" I hope you all are doing well tonight.
I 100 percent used kratom to get off of opiates and Benzos with zero with draws. The transition was seamless and thats why i wanted to share with all of you awesom strong willed folks. It is for me, a much more convenient and CLEAN option as i HAVE to have pain relief. workers from Thiland eat these leaves because it GIVES ENERGY, Its a natural anti-deppresent, It has awesome pain relief, so say good by to toxic tylenol or advil or the gross, muscle destroying muscle relaxers.
And again, I never fiended for it. Its really gross to take. i recommend veggie caps, size zero zero. 00. I believe that holds half a gram. So for me, i take a low medium dose of 14 pills when i happen to have Those caps on me. I have gastro problems so i tend to take it with a spoon and wash it down with water. Its similar to ciniman in the sense that its very dry and really likes to stick to the roof of your mouth.
Good night yall.
Hey man we can all appreciate that nod but for most of us we are talking about recovery here. Using these meds for pain management is all good but using them for getting high is what we are trying to steer clear of. I am on opana er now and I love it because its oral bioavailability is low so I don't get the opiate high but it still takes my pain down to a functional level.
Perhaps I wasnt clear enough. When dealing with kratom, there are several strains, you see. with various effects. My mention of the nod is languange meaning it is potent. Nod = High, absolutly. Im no longer interested in that as i got off of medician that people steal and lie ruin their lives for because we all know they are fucking awesome. I dont get high on it. I HAVE to have it to work out at the gym or even just sitting on the couch. My favorite was Dilauded for the exact same reason. The pain relief was like that of the Oxys i was prescribe except I could take them and perform sober at my contracts. Im very well known in the remodel trade. Im only in multimillion houses so I had to do something so that I was so damn high. Dilauded did this, but its still toxic to the body, so i researched and researched and found Kratom. If you have to have pain relief, I feel kratom is king. Period. No with draws or Fiending to redose.
Gotcha. I tried Kratom at one point but maybe I got some bunk shit cuz it didn't do anything for pain or withdrawals.
Same Bro. I tried some from a Head shop. captian kratom? something like that. it was bunk. Though i did see where theres promise for it. So i tried out this source that sponcers a board i just kind of look at some times and one of the samples i got was the Thai red dragon and it was wonderful. Work went by with out pain. My focus was as if i had never dosed and infact wasnt deppressed etc, the regular stuff that comes with these pills. Those opana withdrawls are the worst i have ever experienced. Im sure I almost died at least once.
Loperimide in high doses will kill w/d's without crossing bbb and getting you high. Cuz yeah oxymorphone withdrawals are worse than H
Ive heard of this and have given that advice but not based on experience. Have you tired it with good results? I dont have to deal with that thing any more but i was alway curious and always for got to get any.
Yes it works, but I'm talking like 30 to 50 of those 2mg pills at once. It really won't stop you up worse than the opiates you're wding from anyway. Stops shaking, nausea, restless appendages, general restlessness and eliminates night sweats, and maybe its placebo but it seems to help with pain.
Now I have heard of kratom and obogain. But if there was something out there that could replace a heroin painkiller opioid addiction, and have almost no withdrawal symptoms, I'd be all over it.
well, there are sleep induced kicks. they put you u derived through the taper. so, there's that. but yoou might need the therapy to change the thoughts that connect you to opiates.
put u under*
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Okay, again. When i mention the nod, i mean its very effective yet can be used for recreation. Its strong. Thats all that i meant. Ive been clean for several several months so you can take that x2 shit in your pipe and smoke it.
AnonLet me ask you something? Could you have explained that to me with out telling me the"X2 shit and smoke it part "?
I meant it to be obviously a joke. sorry if I hurt your feelings.
AnonHahhahaha sorry I thought you were trying to be a dick. I might need to up my AI cuz I think all this estro might have me to sensitive
haha. I hear ya. I gotta do the letro thing when I'm on cycle myself. cheers bro.
swoller87Hey bro sent you a FR very interested about this compound never heard of it? I want to use to try and swing the low dose suboxone withdrawals. I swear withdrawals are worse for me than anyone i ever encontered. I know what you were saying and sounds very interesting thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Ok FYI guys, Kratom is an opiate, and you will have withdrawals from it. Loperimide is an opiate ands you will have withdrawals from it as well. However, lope is great for someone who truly wants to kick that habit because it will completely crush withdrawals but it is not centrally active so there is no buzz or nod. You can start at 100 mg a day as you drop the Heroin or whatever, and then taper as quickly as your withdrawals will allow. Good luck