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Has anyone done any research on the minimum effective dose on many compounds?
I've been doing some experimenting with this and here's what I've found.
Anavar - 20 mg preworkout while taking creatine can give a substancial strenght increase and a very noticble pump.
D Bol - 20 mg preworkout with a good deal of carbohydrates can give you a great boost in the gym with a great pump and some strength. I haven't gone lower than this yet. I suspect that 10 mg would even be enough for a good boost.
Test E - I've been growing with 200 mg a week while cruising. This will put my blood work at about 1400 if you are eating enough this is plenty to grow.
Equipoise - 250 mg a week is plenty for me to get an appetite boost. I prefer this over 1000 mg because I can eat enought to grow and I don't get high blood pressure or anxious.
Deca. 125 mg a week is plenty to get the squishy joint feel. I don't need even think about prolactin issues at this dose, no problems with erection (even coupled with 200 mg of test during cruise). My body feels well lubricated and I have no ill effects.
Anadrol 25 mg preworkout of good anadrol is awesome for pump, if you are well hydrated and full of carbohydrates. I don't love anadrol because I don't seem to grow well on it but for getting a great pump in the gym I took 25 mg the other day and it was very obvious.
I feel like even when I have a case of the post cycle or blast "smalls", I'm just an anadrol or a d Bol tab away from being big again after a good workout. I don't care how small you are feeling if you eat right, train right, and take an anadrol or d Bol you will look big in the gym. At least this is my experience.
I'm going to experiment with TNE soon to see what 25 mg does for me preworkout.
What have you guys noticed? Anyone have experience with halo, Tren, t Bol, superdrol??
I'm very curious about Tren in particular. I want to use some at the end of my next cycle to see if I can harden up some gains with a minimal dose. I don't want to get sweaty insomnia but I really like Tren. Does anyone know what 25 mg EOD will do?
I appreciate anyone's input. When doing research it seems like people always advocate large doses does anyone wonder if these high doses are really necessary?
Thanks.
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Nice post and opinion. A lot of it's individual meaning some could get by with even
less OR some need substantially more.
I disagree with the EQ at only 250 for appetite boosting effects, I need more than 400 just to feel anything out of the compound- and even then it's barely noticeable. All individual though, so if it works for you, sweet!
Some others for me I can make note of:
Proviron @ 25mg- After only a week or two I saw my free test levels go up while on a test E blast, lost a small tad of water, and saw a small boost in libido.
Tren- I think 25mg eod is a little on the low end, but I guess it depends on what else you are running it with. I've ran it around 50 eod and did notice some its recomp effects. If you could accurately measure out 35-40mg eod I bet you would feel it.
Mast- I've shot 150mg of mast E p/w and definitely get some decent effects out of it. Particularly on bloat and water. It won't do much for really hardening up the physique, but I think it might help control estrogen on a moderate blast and help keep BP down by controlling water weight. Solid addition to any cycle all around, bulk or cut. I think this would be a great addition to your low dose tren blast if you still plan on running it.
EC- I've used a single primatine tab a day with my preworkout coffee (200mg caffeine), which Is only 12.5 mg ephedrine HCL and noticed a good boost in energy and some appetite curving effects. If you limit the use, tolerance buildup isn't really an issue and this can be ran for very long periods of time.
Winstrol- I've experimented with 10 mg/day and experienced effects similar to 25mg proviron. Saw a slight increase in free test (hell yes to more out of a simple test cycle!) as well as some decreased bloat (very slight). It also didn't do anything to my liver enzymes for a 12 week run (it was run the entire length of the blast), and I didn't experience any joint issues.
That's about it for me offhand. I plan on adding in 10mg superdrol to my cut soon, but I don't know if that qualifies as a low dose as I commonly see guys running it between 10-40mg. I can always report back on that soon.
Small edit: Winstrol may have been 15mg/day. I can't remember if they were 20mg or 30mg tabs, but I broke them in half and only had one a day.
Enjoyed reading about your observations.
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Excellent write up brother.
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BigBmajHey thanks bro.
I'm really curious about proviron as well. I'm thinking about getting some blood work with 25 mg daily to see where this puts my free test level. I don't really want to put my prostate under any unnecessary stress if I can avoid it. I'll try 25 mg vs 50 to see how I feel subjectively as well.
NotNatural23Bro I am on trt and take proviron and my free test is off the charts I think the scale from the lab I get my blood work from last goes to 55 mine was at 252. So proviron is the shit I think about using it all the time during my cruise at 25 or 50 keeps estro lower and keeps me harder looking. And harder for my lady lol.
Cool. I think I remember that Nitti had bloods with and without provi and great results with free test levels.
Good post BigB, more isn't always better. +2
BigBmajYou are sure right about that. I had always heard that more wasn't better, but to err on the side of more. The problem with this is that more is often counter productive.
AnonI have ran superdrol at 10mg a day preworkout for two weeks. At this dose it's not insane by any means. I felt a moderate strength increase if any but the pump was noticably better than with nothing in my system. I also put on about 6 solid pounds at this dose. I think going below 10 mgs would be a waste of this compound, but if wanting to run it low 10 mg preworkout is perfect to test the waters
BigBmajGood to know. Sometimes I need that psychological edge to my workouts. Maybe things will get a little stale and I'll want to try something new without getting fully invested, maybe I'll try superdrol at 10 mg sometime.
Nice post, +1. IME ive noticed 10mg of quality dbol pre workout is enough for a boost and a nice pump. Personally with var I need min 50mg to notice anything. Ive some Halo in my stash that I will test out once I get my ass lean enough again to do so, have never run halo so will start off very low.
Good to know that 125mg of deca gives you joint releif, Im gonna be trying that out soon. You experience any bloat or anything negative at all from that low dose of deca?
BigBmajHave you experimented with different sources anavar? I have found some that I don't feel at low dose at all. Others I can really feel a lower doses. But my training partner can't feel 20 mg of one that I can and I don't feel anadrol like he does so it's totally up to the individual.
Ive used only 2 sources anavar, they both felt the same to me.
You're dead right its totally individual. I used some adrol from the too source here, and just 50mg was more than enough for me. Pumps, weight and stregth through the roof, BP as well unfortunately. With the exact same drol my boy didnt feel anything until 100mg and he then went to 150mg which he enjoyed, but then again he tends to expect miracles from aas sometimes.
BigBmajNo bloat at all really. For some odd reason I haven't really had much issue with bloat for the last little while. Ever since I learned to keep estrogen mostly in check (I did fuck up awhile back on this) and I learned to keep body fat at or below 10% I get almost no bloat.
im curious as well. is there a limit to how much teststerone you can take ? or do you have to hop on other compounds to grow?
so how long did you run each compound to come up with this
BigBmajI've been experimenting for a long time. Well I have been doing some thinking these days, what if side effects are avoidable? When I'm bulking the most important factor is how much can I eat. If my test level is at least 1000 ng (blood work) and I can eat, I will grow. So I've been playing with things.
For instance I tried 600 mg of equipoise for 10 weeks and then went up to 1000 after reading about this being the sweet spot for lots of people. 1000 was way too much and I felt horrible, anxious with terrible blood pressure. The BP was high with 600 as well. After feeling so bad I thought I would try 250 mg a week to see how it affected my appetite. I did this for a couple months and it did help my appetite much better than 1000 mg and almost as well as 600 mg. could I grow faster with 600 mg? Maybe but having high blood pressure isn't worth it to me.
With the deca I just played bought a few bottles and played around with the dose to see how my body felt. So I would say that I ran 500 mg a week for 16 weeks but wanted to keep feeling squishy so I tried 250 mg for a couple months then very recently last 10 weeks or so I went down to 125 on my cruise and my body still feels good. Deca stays in the body forever so I maybe be speaking prematurely on this but I suspect I'm correct. I'll let you know if my opinion changes.
On the test, at 200 mg my blood work comes back at 1400 and this is plenty to grow. If anyone tells you this isn't enough I suspect they aren't eating enough. I've been growing faster right this moment with a huge appetite than I was a few months ago at the peak of my bulk running almost a gram. Again for me it all has to do with appetite.
The orals it's obvious almost immediately. Just take a little and see what it does. Try 50 mg of drol vs 100 mg and tell me if you grow twice as fast. Is it worth it to have high blood pressure and fucked liver enzymes, and blood lipid levels?
Did I get stronger running 100 mg of anavar daily? Yes I did and I can't quantify it here for you but taking 20 mg of good anavar preworkout is plenty for me to feel.
Try it out and let me know what you find.
I'm really curious about Tren. If I can get the benefits of Tren without feeling shitty imagine how happy I will be?
Happy experimenting.
With the tren it may also lead me to think the test:tren ratio may have a factor. The less test the more receptors tren can use. This ones gonna be tricky