posted Wed, 10/03/2012 - 04:52
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What happend to old school bulk kick cut finnish
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I know this is probably the famous cycle that everyones heard of but very few have tried
week1-4:dbol kick
week 1-12:test e
week 10-14: winny taper
It seems like Instead of Bulking up at the begining and cutting at the end of the same cycle is some kind of a throw back and people now tend to commit a whole cycle to one or another-I dont disagree with this at all. but its just interesting to me that we dont se more "bulk and solidify cycles" as Ive heard them called. whats everyones thoughts. is it ridiculous to shoot for two different goals in one cycle or is it practical. I personally have never run something like this before but I cant say I havent been curious to try it out with a longer cycle say a 20 week run!
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old school didnt have TREN! Now its nothing but TREN!
Good basic cycle without the bells & whistles. But the bulking kinda clashes with the cutting?? Personally I wouldn't recommend such a cycle, it needs to run for 20+ weeks with additional compounds for exceptional results
mr127superdeeDamn we got some real good comments on this and tread I think you have permanently made me look at d-bol in a negative light lol thanks all
tread-mAside of show prep and just speaking in general for lifestyle I tend to think slow roll the whole time. The bulk and cut often has some advantage but I really think if you end up with 5 net pounds when all said and done you could have still ended upp with it and maybe even better recomp when all said and done without the dbol and often a smoother healthier cycle as well. Don't hate the dbol kick done right but so many eat very dirty in the kick and just slug on 20 lbs of shit and then spend the rest of the cycle fighting that and either end up with higher bf when the cycle is over or clean it up and again, end up right where they could have without it. For myself I much prefer the clean kicks with prop and eat the whole ride to put on some quality gains and a little recomp and enjoy the net total look in the end.
I must apolagise for my comments lower down.. i keep coming from the bodybuilder perspective and keep forgetting 95% of people on here are not in that league!... i must and will re/learn my thinking when giving advices to the mass core of eroids members.
tread-mNo I agree with your thinking in the bulk/cut thoughts entirely but you are right, most of these guys as you say are just in the life. I say to many, give me two quality cycles a year and if you look better in recomp and gained 5 net at years end imagine where you are in 5 yrs. So you may only be up 25 net in 5 but you look up 50 net working that recomp droppin waist and increasing legs and shoulder width. With competing its a different world because you have windows of opportunity and deadlines to deal with so true in your words there.
Mast is a much better finisher than winny. I will be finishing my winter cycle with it.
And I think that terms are just evolving with the science. To Bulk and Cut in the same cycle is impossible because you can't gain and lose simultaneously(different diets) You CAN finish or even recomp so (IMO) bulk and cut no longer has a place
First it was npp, now everyone's jumping on my mast bandwagon?
I don't consider myself everyone, but thanks! I've never really liked winny, sides kick me like a fkn mule (although npp helps lol)
Deca/npp and winny is cool. Running it with nothing for lube is a mistake in my eyes unless you really really need to dry out for a show. And I was kidding, I don't say anything fucking new or enlightening, just share experiences.
X2... the ones with little patience still think they can get a result but stand two guys next to each other one that does it specific to the goal and the other who tries to do both together and the difference is like chalk and cheese!.
I dont think it is ridiculous at all to bulk then cut in the same cycle.
But the winny 2 weeks after test is not a good idea, it would make more sense extend test 2 weeks after winny
mr127superdeetest is in your system for two weeks after last pin winny should be taki=en this way to jump right into pct on last day of winny otherwise you would have to wait 1 month after last winny day to pct most likely losing the entire winny look before pct even starts
I have never used winny but I hear it shuts you down real hard and you lose the look no matter what when you stop. If I were to use it it would to be used to look good on a certain time and I would extend test 2 weeks after no matter what to make sure I wont have a hard shut down, this is just me you can take it how you want
mr127superdeeok i HAVE used winny tho and i promise that isnt the case im sure you will stick with your own knowledge and I wish you luck