posted Sun, 11/04/2012 - 06:00
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lets talk about needles cause size does matter!
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Im sure many people use different size needles for different body parts according to bodyfat muscle size different site injections etc. and everyone has there own opinion about whats best so lets hear about it!
I know that i use
quads: 22g 1" though i think im going to make a switch to 23g due to pip
glutes: 22g 1 1/2" and this works great!
i dont yet pin delts but when i start i think ill go with 22g 3/4" or 5/8"
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I use 21G for drawing out of the vial, and 25G 1.5 inch tips for pinning. 25G is still pretty doable, I tried 21G and for some reason every time I shot it in my left buttcheek it would hurt like a motherfucker going in. Only the left one though, oddly, and not my right one.
AnonPins are cheap get 18g for drawing and I'm getting 29g 1' for pinning was recommended and told barely felt gonna give it a vow with this upcoming cycle
Draw = 18g
Bis / Tris = 27g
Shoulders, Quads, Traps = 25g
The smaller size the better in my case. I don’t care if it takes a few extra seconds. The less scar tissue the better.
i am having a problem with drawing with a 23g and also use 23g 1.5'' for injection in glutes and did a delt today but only went in a little more than an inch.....the oils barely come out and pretty much leak into the barrel....its pretty clear, but thicker than it looks and takes much longer to draw...gets kind of annoying when you are trying to measure exact amounts.
It might take a while but you should still be able to draw with a 23.
Yeah i still can but it does not come out nearly as smoothly as i would like plus all i have are the 23g 1.5" so just ordered new 18g pins and alsp 23g 1" bc i am running prop and i figured id do a delt yesterday and stick it in just an inch of the way which was alot harder than i thought to keep steady. So instead im playing it safe ; )
is it bad to run the vial under warm water for a few seconds or no go?
mr127superdeeif you are having trouble injecting with a 23g change your source becuase he is using cooking oil there is no other reason for juice to be that thick
whats going on superdee?!? I sent you a FR not too long ago.. I appreciate the input, but the injection part is fine with the 23g. I was saying since its 1.5" it is difficult to pin certain areas like delts so i was having to put the pin only about an inch in while keeping it steady and pumping it in. Once in the barrel it came out smooth as silk, no pip and as quick as i decide to do it. I was saying i was having a problem drawing with the 23g because it wasnt thick enough. It would still draw, I would just have to pull the plunger back to whatever number lets say 1ml and it would slowly fill that amount that i needed as opposed to pretty much flowing in like the 18g's i am using now. I thought the same thing at first and thought that it was just too thick, but wasnt the case. when the vial is shaken or even moved slightly the gear is g2g and doesnt get stuck to the walls of it and drip down. it was def the pin i was using and problem solved!!!
mr127superdeeoh gotcha ya its weird how shit draws hard and pins smooth i know exactly what your talkin bout tho friend request accepted hommie
My first injections was 18g 1 1/2", sustanon 250 redijects out of mexico, they where painful!
Now i use 18g 1", to draw out and 23g 1 1/2", in glutes to pin. I also warm a little. Goes easy, unless I run across a dull point every once in a while, then it feels like a bee sting.
Those were my 1st also. I love the Mexican stuff I started with 15+ yrs ago. Now use 23g and 25g 1".
Those were my 1st also. I love the Mexican stuff I started with 15+ yrs ago. Now use 23g and 25g 1".
mr127superdeewtf did your ass ever get back to normal thats a serious question that sounds like a pain the would permanently linger
Old Iron18g 1 1/2 that's a lawn dart. jeeze that hurt me just sitting here
Old IronI use a 23g 1" on everything, delts, quads and glutes, I've used 22's, 20's, and
a 27g 1.25" after ordering the wrong size once, it takes forever but it is possible.
And inch and a half seems a bit long to me, unless your a big guy..........wait
...........Your probably a big guy.....wait....what?...what site is this? Oh yeah the
big muscles site, sure and inch and a half is fine. I prefer a 16g two inch myself
for my extraocular muscle injections sometimes I just load the thing full of bleach
to get going in the morning.
ANY FURTHER READING IS JUST MY TWO CENTS FOR NEWBIES
Winny you can use a 27g .5" to 1" it's not an IM injection
Oil based you'll need an 18g - 23g
Only heat gear up to body temp, running the bottle under the
hot water for 60 seconds while turning bottle is what I do, others
soak it in hot water for a few minutes.
Change needles one to draw gear, and other to pin with
Make straight injections, if you puncture the skin and don't get the needle
in all the way DO NOT pull it out and re stick with it, just take a breath and push it in.
If it "hurts" it may be too much BA you can cut it with FILTERED grape seed oil,
I personally go into the pharmacy and tell them to order a hundred 23g 1" syringes
and a hundred 23g needles and two boxes of alcohol swabs. My friends are too nervous
to do it. I have only been asked once why I needed them, and what rolled out of
my mouth surprised me. I said, because I want them, she just shrugged and rang up
my $15 order and told me they would be in next week. There are also a million places
online to buy them, it is not illegal to buy a needle however it is illegal to say your an Doctor or Vet.
DELTS
These are my favorites, very little nerve endings, and practically impossible to fuck up. You can rotate through the three heads on each arm if you want to but the uptake receptors are not split up like the muscle heads, and this area is the least 'painful" that's why it's chosen by the medical community.
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
QUADS
The thigh can be pinned on the upper outside quadrant, this is one where "darting" is preferred DO NOT EXPLORE ON YOUR QUAD, you have a common peroneal nerve in the lower outside quadrant, and a femoral artery in the upper inside quadrant. There is very little fat in this area so a 1" is fine for length and it's fairly easy to take your time so if you gun shy grab a 23g. Also shave you pin site first there has been times when the needle has chopped of a piece of has and deposited it into the muscle causing issues, from infection to surgical removal. Chances are probably one in a quintillion but why risk it, especially for you Chewbacca types.
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
GLUTES
The glute can be self injected with an overhand grip in the right hand for right glute and left for left to puncture the skin and seat the needle, once seated the muscle will hold most of the weight while you pronate your wrist around to pull (check for blood) and push. Being that most pins are 1cc and most syringes are 3cc barrels the mass is so close to the skin you can practically let go of the syringe and it will stay in place. In order to get into the deepest part of the muscle you should use a 1.25" - 1.5" needle in 20 - 23 gauge, if oil is heated a slow push will go through a 25g needle but the longer the pin is in and your pushing your hand may begin to shake and the sewing machine action of the shake can cause irritation at the pin site
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
first pin in glutes seems like i had to push so hard.. using 25 g 1.5 maybe just first time jitters .. is it common to bubble up and move so hard thru pin..any advise helpful.. thanks
mr127superdeeotherwise try to heat up the oil it makes it a lil thinner and it can push through the 25g a lil easier never made a big difference to me but a lot of people swear by it
mr127superdeewith a 25g this is completely normal in fact sometimes the thinner needle caues more pain because you have to push so hard that the injection becomes sloppy i would switch to a 23g needle thats what i use it works like a charm in every muscle
jesus christ, that's way too big. even for the most viscous oil, 25ga has always been plenty for me. i did a b12 calf injection with a 22ga once, never again! they are useful for drawing though. i'm gonna see if i can't get away with 27ga for my next batch. imo use the smallest size you can get away with, your muscles will thank you with less scar tissue.
mr127superdeelol yeah im actually drawing with all the 22s i still have lol i cant pin with 25s though im using a 23g for every muscle now
Quads: 1" 25g
Delts: 1" 25g
Glutes: 1.5" 23g
Draw with a 22g
I tried pinning my quads with a 23g once and it was like trying to dart a wooden plank lol. It didn't even pierce the skin, just bounced right out of my hand. I guess I have "hard" muscles lol. Thinner goes in much better. I would try 27g except 25g is already slow enough. I like 23g in my glutes because it goes in easy.
X 2 exactly what I use as well
mr127superdeeI actually just got on using a 23g for every muscle i tried the 25gs but i end up having to put much more pressure on the plunger making for a sloppy pin and causing more pip a slow and easy plunger is what works best for me and i just cant do it with a 25G
Terephthalic Pt...^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's what I did, except I also did 1'' 27g on my quads as well and a 20 gauge to draw.
Heating the oils prior to injection has caused a huge difference for me as well. Definitely the way to go.
mr127superdee27g wow at the moment i am using a 23g for every injection 1" for delts and quads and 1 1/2" for glutes i find too thin a needle causes me to push to hard on the plunger making for a much more sloppy injection especially in ackward positions like the delts
Great info. Kudos bigchas!
27/1 on delts, 23/1 on quads, dont need to go in all the way though. Quads have like no fat at all.
mr127superdeedamn am i the only one shootin with 22s lol glad i made this post ill make some changes
Yup lol
23g 1 1/2 for glutes and 25g 1" for delts 21g to draw.
I used to use 22ga.. lol.. Pip wasn't so bad buuuuut I now use 27ga NO IT'S NOT TO SMALL.. And i get pip for an hour and it's gone completely LOL
25 g 1.5 , dnt inject needle fully into leg! But smooth as silk. Plus don't inject to fast because the size don't allow it.. Pip is min unless u have virgin muscles.. Pull out with a21g
mr127superdeenice ive been pulling out with an 18 but they are hard as fuck to find
For me brother it's 25g/1" for quads and 23g/1.5" for glute's, I heat my oil slightly when popping with 25g though.
mr127superdeenice ill have to try that
I would get 23 or 25G if I were you.
22G is huge
I use 1" for all injects.
mr127superdeeyeah i gotta try the 23 or 25 for thigh. ur lucky i gotta big ol hispanic girl but (im a white male wtf) anything short of a 1 and a half it leaks out