planning my fifth cycle
Ok, so Im kickin around some ideas for my fifth cycle, which wont start before march, and lookin for some feedback.
Right now Im dieting, cardioing and healing because I tweaked my shoulder. Not trying to cut, but just lean up some so bf is down for the cycle. The cold helps me burn fat so its an ideal time for me.
Stats: 41, 5'10", 215 lbs, bf at 16%, but I hope to have it down to 12 by the time I cycle.
Compounds used: sust, test e, nandrolone, winny, dbol, var.
My favorite cycle thus far was sust/deca/dbol @ 750/600/210 (30mg ed) so I'll start with something similar.
The idea I want to bounce off of you guys is changing compounds and going with short esters at the end to extend the cycle a bit and finish lean.
So heres what Im thinking:
Week 1-14 test e, 500mg/wk, 2 pins
Week 1-12 deca, 400mg/wk, 2pins
Week 1-7 dbol, 25mg ed
Week 15-22 tren a, 500mg/wk, 5 pins
Week 15-22 mast p, 500mg/wk, 5 pins
Week 15-22 test p, 500mg/wk, 5 pins
Week 15-22 anavar, 50mg ed
Pct will be standard clomid and nolvadex, that worked well for me in the past. Have prami and aromasin on hand for any issues that arise.
So. What do y'all think? Once again, this is a hypothetical cycle and Im interested in what you think about extending the cycle 8 weeks and switching compounds and esters.
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So you have run four cycles now in the less than a year you have been here? Damn dude, I feel sorry for your internal organs.
Edit; I read through the rest of the thread and brother I would have to dig through my pm's but I could swear you said back when you joined you had just started your first cycle. Regardless, it is your choice what you want to put into your body but you have to know their are consequences if you fly to close to the sun. Good luck brother with your goals.
Youre not far off. I was hesitant to count the other cycles because they were done in ignorance. Im not real big on flyin close to the sun.
Prefer to keep my feet solidly on the ground.
In any case, this was all hypothetical and I was interested in what you guys thought about it. I would never ask for advice and then dismiss out of hand the answers to my questions. Youve been helpful to me in the past. I wouldnt disrespect you like that.
No. Ive run one cycle since I came here. The others were before I was aware of eroids. They were dangerous and the result of shitty bro science. Luckily Im still healthy.
I second the lads saying screw a 22 week back to back 19nor cycle. It's hell for me to recover from a 10 week on of them!
What about the same cycle as your favourite one only a NPP and prop kicker? Maybe adjust dosages a little?
I like that idea a lot. Hesitant to pin npp bcuz of pip, but I'll end up tryin it sooner or later. Im not prone to pip and not a puss, just dont want to b unable to train.
PIP is a nightmare isn't it. I'm currently pinning 2ml of NPP with 1.5 of test e E3D and I'm yet to suffer from it. I guess it depends on where you shop though.
Switch the Dbol for the mighty anadrol also, you won't regret it.
A buddy is tryin to get me to try anadrol. A bit worried about the toxicity, but I may try it.
50 ED for 3 weeks with quality liver supports and gallons of water it shouldn't be to bad. Split am/pm. Get bloods to see where you are and go from there.
AnonLooks like 2 separate cycles, I would say pick one and go with it. Usually if I have never run a compound before, it would be the only new addition to a cycle. And if you consider yourself a novice, I would skip the tren for now.
Ifk about doing back to back cycles of tren and deca...
What do you want bulk?
I want the impossible - cut AND bulk. :)) Probly gonna end up forgoing tren altogether. I studied a good bit on eq as well and that was a second choice, but Im not sure how much my joints would benefit...
Personally, I think 22 weeks is way too long. If you aren't a trt candidate now at 41, I'd be willing to bet that after this cycle you will be.
That deca and tren will be the nail in your testicular coffin.
RustyhookerBingo! And cut and bulk in same time is near impossible.
Yeah, I dont think Ive got the genetics for that anyway. This was all hypothesis about switching compounds and esters late in a cycle. Bouncing ideas off guys who know more than me. You know Im not one to say screw it In runnin it my way. Just thinkin and curious.
RustyhookerIt's good to ask. You always do your homework as well. You'll do fine after dialed in.
The nor 19s back to back?
I think the whole thing is too heavy. I look at your old posts..less than a year ago you were referring to yourself as a "beginner", then you jumped to your "fourth cycle" and now we are on to the fifth.
The math doesn't seem to add up. I could be wrong, don't take this as a flame but I think if you are wanting to salvage your nuts at the end of the day this cycle is too damn extreme. 5.5 months of testicular shut down is a long damn time especially at 41..doesn't really matter what you are running. 100 mg of tren 5 days a week is a shit load of tren for a first time.
I personally would back shit up and revisit this cycle and not be so extreme. Again, my opinion.
Your opinion is definitely greatly valued, ed! The beginner tag I hung on myself was because I ran three cycles before I found eroids and all I knew was shitty broscience. The fourth cycle was my first after finding this site and after applying what I learned here and running pct, it was what I consider my first successful cycle.
Ive studied intensively for nearly a year and would like to think Im a novice now, although I know I have a lot to learn.
Advice like yours is what I was after when I posted. Wanted to test a theory with more knowledgeable people. I promise not to cry bcuz the advice I get is not what I 'wanted to hear'.
It's all good. I know you are a good dude and I know you can handle a little orneriness from me
Oh yeah. If I dont get a little ass chewin every now an then, I feel like Im not thinkin enough. Think I'll forgo the tren altogether and try an eq test cycle. I am a little jealous , tho, that you never say 'no homo' to me!
Sorry. After a little soul searching I've realized that I am indeed a homo. But as I wrote that, I threw up a little in my mouth and realized that I am not homo. Thanks for helping out with that.
Tell me about your body type are you an ecto meso or Endomorph?
No homo.
So you didnt get a charge watching SOA last night?? Lmao!
Probly a fast endo or slow meso. I pack on mass easily and have to watch my diet or I get fat easily. Wouldnt trade it tho. I can get big with far less effort than a lot of guys.
I just don't think 7 weeks is enogh time to get lean. And after off a bulk it's always best to slowly drop hour calories if your going to cut. So I would be slowly dropping from a surplus to a deficit over a month or so, leaving me with 3 weeks left to cut. I guess you could use that time from when the decas clearing. But I still think it's best to pick one goal and do it. Idk, I guess it can work. You can end up a little tighter and dryer then if you just bulked and then pct.
Have you thought about eq and a nice controlled lean bulk? You could add some quality muscle while dropping your bf if you kno how to eat.
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Thanks bro! Eq. Ive considered it and would like to try it. Actually had a cycle of comparable length set out with 800 eq and 400 test e. The deca and test just worked so well for me and the joint comfort had a lot to do with choosing deca again.
Really wanna try the tren. Short esters in case it doesnt go well. Kind of a good test for long esters in the future.
Tighter and drier is what Im lookin for and I think I can drop the cals a bit quicker with tren without compromising muscle mass.
But Im still a novice, which is why advice like yours is very much appreciated! Im open and a sponge to learning.
Get your BF%. Then, get BW. If you want to try Tren, then you probably will. Be cautious. I like the idea of using short ester, short cycle, first.
I know Im missin somethin obvious, but cant put a finger on it...bw??
blood work.
Lmao! I shoulda KNOWN that!
I think you'll be blown away by the results if you run the eq cycle like you listed 800.400 and var the last 6 weeks or so. If you know how to eat you can add a bunch of quality muscle while losing bf, and then the var will add the finishing touches at the end. What you're proposing is really complicated and not the most efficient way of doing things, trust me I've tried. And like ed said 22 weeks and two 19-Nors is going to be very harsh on your hpta and very hard to recover from. I won't say you won't recover, but your chances of not recovering are high especially at yor age.
Before you go and buy a bunch of EQ go get your bloods done. At our age you really have to keep an eye on your blood , especially EQ. It jacks up your RBC and thickens the blood.
You like the eq and test for 22 weeks? Id love to kick that with bold ace, but I hear that shit hurts! Im really not prone to pip so far tho...
If you run it for 22 weeks you wont be starting pct till week 25, thats over 6 months shutdown. Idk i would probably go with 20, either way your shutdown forever.
Yeah, Im not big on playing with my htpa too much...maybe just run that 18 weeks?
Ya man that's what I was gonna suggest. Definitely want some pharm grade pct drugs for this one. This isn't a pct to mess up.
Question: as compared to deca, how much joint comfort/relief can I expect from eq?
Expect none from either if you train heavy like me............ train nice and moderate and the best joint care is both EQ and deca together....... forget any type of soothing from either when you enter a leaning out phase because you will not hold the same amount of fluids in the Bursa sacs that protect the joints........... best way to have nice loose painless joints is to go on a full balls to the wall bulker with massive carb and fluids intake........ plenty of cod liver oil drank from the bottle neck is what helps me too, forget all this milligram business just neck it like water.
Thanks uncle vike!! Irongame and ed have me talked into the eq/test cycle. I was on the fence on my own. Think I'll try 200 mgs/wk of deca and bulk and try not to gain much fat.
Most folk are scared to death of bulking thinking that they will get really fat!..... if nutrition is within controlled ratios and most importantly get training intensity fkn spot on you wont lay down much fat......... very little is mentioned on this board about training!!... its like its the least important part of the whole gig to most folks, and should be the paramount part of any cycle/blast etc....... fuckers are not gaining on massive stacks with GH/slin and all other types of exotics purely because they have forgotton (or never known lol) how to fkn train correctly with proper intensity,volume,tonnage ete etc etc............ people hit me up in PM and ask for training tips then just discard the info and do there own thing and constantly fail to gain at speed... it bores me reading how they think they "know it all" but cannot come up with the goods and bomb the picture section to make my eyes bleed............ i get the feeling most eroiders just love using gear in large amounts and are happy to hang around 200lbs forever purely through self ignorance.............. everbody has this thing now that "you must use GH on every cycle" WTF all generic GH is bullshit anyway and is doing fiuck all for anybody except empty their fkn pockets imo.... they must run IGF-1and blah blah blah compound!!........ get the fuck outa here!! i built and maintained what i have without all this fkn shit..... proper eating and blood curdling fkn intensity is the key... long term not a fkn couple of months like these pricks believe.................. fuckin wimps!!!!!
Rant over............... i had to get that off my fkn chest, no apologetics its the fkn truth :))
I was just thinking today that I was pissed off with hanging around the 220lb mark. Reading this just struck a cord with me. I need to look at what I'm doing and get to the next step, 230 would be nice for now. I realise I havent increased my food as the weight has increased fearing I might gain fat. Time to shake things up. Thanks fir the kick up the arse V
Fkn awesome! LMFAO!! I saw where you replied to my post and thought oh shit! Im about to get a viking sized reaming! But it was a rant about guys lookin for the magic pill and not being willing to work! Man, I have so much respect for you and the other men who came in here to talk with me! Its awesome to come to eroids and have this wealth of knowledge and guys so willing to share with us who are willing to listen.
I hear you about the guys wanting to run a bunch of exotics and blowin their money. Id rather spend the bulk of mine on food! I got up to 225 lbs without gear. Now my goals involve learning to shed the fat from bulking with gear and food and training while keeping as much as I can. Lol, I got fat during pct this time, but I'll adjust calories and training and go again. I'll do better next time.
Good shit brother............... if i can share motivation tactics with you guys thats all fine by me!.......... i remember back to the early 80s i eventually found the perfect training partner!... he was in his 40s then when i was early 20s.... not a wizard with the anabolics by any means but fuck me did he know how to push me and get the best from every single workout!..... bless his soul he is dead now but i think about that guy every single time my ass touches a bench...... i can still hear him screaming orders at me even now!!..... i owe that guy everything, he kept me grounded when i started to win things and never allowed me to live on my laurels........ it was pure graft every minute with good old fashioned proven exercises that hit me hard and worked like magic............ he was the guy that learnt me big pecs are not built by pressing but by heavy incline flyes..... i still work those up to this day and regularly go up to 60kg D/bells strict and for a min of 12 rep/sets... get strong with these and pressing becomes a doddle.... heavy pressing is what i class as warming up...... 180kg or 200kg on a good day is a breeze after the type of grounding i had in the past....... i am actually a lot stronger now than i was then believe it or not whereas a lot think we should get weaker as we get older.... nahh! age means nothing if we stay consistent i have proved that to myself many times bro.
There is a lot to be said for having someone to push you. I am sure wherever he is now bro he is as proud as a peacock of you and how you are still carrying the flame.
I think i must have passed on everything i ever learned from him at some point on this board bro, so he would be well chuffed if he knew his teachings were still be spread around the world like this.......... like i say he wasnt the king with anabolics but he knew about eating and training........... and how to ass-kick a stubborn bastard like me lmao!
Pretty sure ED gets this from his hookers.
Yes. I call it Ho Liver Oil.
I extract it straight from the ho liver. I also extract the GH from the hookers. I call it Ho-tropin.
I could send some of the ho liver oil if anyone wants it. I don't think that shit is illegal.
Well eq doesn't so the same things as deca in regards to instant relief but a lot of people report refief while running it. But what it does is dramatically increase collagen synthesis so it will help make your joints thicker and stronger. What you may consider is running a real low dose deca just for joints. You don't have to run high doses to get the joint relief. 150-200mg ew will be enough. That's what I plan on doing. My shoulders are in bad shape and deca really makes a huge difference for me.
Cool, thanks.