Npp cycle
Hey guys
I'm posting up a potential cycle that I've been doing research on.
Previous cycles: all for competition purposes
1st: test e 500mg 1-12, 12-14 test prop 300 taper
2nd test e 500mg 1-12, 12-14 test prop taper 300 mg
Week 1-4 anadrol 50mg/day (I know two orals is a bad idea)
Weeks 10-14 anavar 50mg/day
3rd test e 500mg 1-14
EQ 600 1-12
D Bol 30mg/day weeks 1-4
Yes I know doing anadrol before d Bol was stupid but that's what you get for bro science
My proposed cycle is to have a lean bulk up to 210 and maintain at that weight. If I drop 5lb but get leaner I won't complain.
I was originally planning a test prop, npp 6 week blast and then do a cutting cycle 10 weeks later but decided to forgo the cutting cycle because I'm making great natural gains lately and I don't want to rush my cycles (up 4lbs in 4 weeks!)
My macros are around 4000cal, 250-300g protein, 500g carbs 100g fat. (I've been doing a variation of Vikings mass gainer shake every night)
Ht 5'10 wt 197 age 27 been lifting hard and heavy since I was 20 and been learning a lot
Proposed cycle:
weeks 1-3 test prop 100mg x3/week, weeks 10-12 100mgx3/week
Weeks 1-10 test e 500mg
Weeks 1-10 npp 300mg
Ancillaries:
Caber 1-12 caber 500mcgx2/week
Adex 1-12 500mcg/eod
HCG: 20,000 units on hand for atrophy
Pct
Nolva 50/50/40/30/20
Adex 500mcg/day x 3 weeks
Nolva starts 3 days post last prop injection
I don't like using clomid because of the sides (permanent blindness being one) and the adex/Nolva pct has been great for me
Any points will be greatly appreciated!
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Have you ever tried Aromasin in PCT as opposed to Adex? In my experience Adex can lead to some nasty estro rebound when you come off it.
I did research it. That's why I run the Nolva a little longer than the adex. If I run either one by itself I'm a whinny little bitch and I get rebound, however when I run them together with the Nolva being a little longer, I don't get rebound and I have next to nothing in sides
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NPP can be pinned E3Ds. Something to take into account. I've just started a very similar cycle last week. Check out my profile for the full ru. Down.
I'd run the NPP 2-3 weeks later than the test e, you could face the NPP starting work before the test e and giving you Deca dick although some people say its a myth why risk it? Then extend the test e to finish the same time as NPP.
F/r sent, let's keep each other informed on how it goes.
That's why I was running the kickstart prop to help with deca dick while the enanthate kicks in... Fr accepted
I see, there is a lot going on in this thread and I over looked that!
No prob dude. I made sure I posted all the info because I know the rules and I don't want to waste people's time by having them tell me "cycle history first before answers" and that's why I posted my macros too. I want to get the best possible info on this
+1
I've ran npp 4x now...it is by far my favorite compound. It's very versatile whether cutting or bulking with the proper diet.
I agree with roidnoid....drop the Test e!!
Although I have ran test e/npp pinning eod with stable bloods before....I'd still recommend the short ester eod method.
Stick with prop/npp eod...I would also run your test 100mg more than npp to avoid nandro cock..
My magic # has been 600test/450npp...great result with minimal sides...
I've ran this cycle as high as 900test/700npp....with dramtic increase in sides but the same results as the lower dose.
With only 300mg of npp I highly doubt you'll "need" your caber. I didn't start incorporating my prami until week6 at 450mg..Everyones different though and it's never a bad thing to run it throughout your cycle.
The reason why I'm prob going to need caber is I'm that unlucky SOB that went through puberty with lactating gyno (10% of the male population gets gyno/lactation with puberty do keep jokes to a minimum). My body is very prone to gyno and prolactin. I may not start it with the npp but I'm def keeping it on hand.
Thats why im running npp, for its versatility. That way when i hit 210, I Could either continue my lean bulk or I can switch it to recomp/cutter. Thanks for the tip!
agreed with noid, also for pct try looking into torem, i dont reccomend adex in pct.
I've looked for torem, because everything I've seen is it's the most effective, but I've been having a hard time finding a reliable source for it. Do you mind if I fr you and send a pm about torem?
yeah man, but were from different countries i can give you advice onit but you will need to find a domestic source for it, just go through and search all of them that are domestic someone will have some
prop should be pinned EOD for stable blood levels
NPP should be pinned EOD
Drop the test-e your already pinning EOD with the NPP
the way this cycle is designed you might run into deca dick(NPP and test are being ran at same mg/w)
Personally if it where me id run it like this
prop 1-11 100mg/EOD
NPP 1-10 75mg/EOD
PCT week 12-16
I'm with Noid on this one, much tidier than the original proposal. Not a fan of the test e in the original cycle.
Thanks dude!
That ratio is in general high enough to prevent deca dick?
ive ran that exact ratio several times with no problems, but we are all different. if you run into problems drop the NPP to 50mg/EOD and it should clear up in a few days time.
Thanks man! Beauty of short esters
Then why would you want to run another cycle?? Is this a contest prep or something?
Yes and no. Am I doing a contest this summer? No. But I am using these compounds to help pack on size. I'm going to keep eating and training right but even eating and training right will only take me so far with my genetics. I have a very slender build and 90% of the men in my family are broad shouldered but not at all thick.
I competed last year and even though I had put on a decent amount of size, I was still too small. I compete in men's physique and every guy had 10-20lbs of solid muscle on me and they had greater muscle maturity.
I'm not starting my cycle now but I'm getting it prepped for when I hit my road block naturally.
Damn phone -1 ya so now +1 lol