HCG Question
Hi Guys.
I'm new to this forum and apart from a couple of source reviews this will be my first post.
First some stats about me. I am 39 years old, 94kg and 12% body fat. I have been lifting for about 3 years now and am just completing my 2nd cycle. Current cycle is Test E 700mg each week for 10 weeks and Winstrol 60mg ED. On cycle I have been running .25mg of anastrazole EOD. I have just finished week 8 and have 2 weeks left. I have been using his cycle as a cut and have had good results with BF coming steadily down and muscle mass up - a good recomp effect essentially. Strength gains have been remarkable and I could be more pleased. No sides to speak off. Diet is in check at 2500 calories per day of good whole foods and am running 60/20/20 (protein/carbs/fat) macro. PCT will consist of Nolva and Clomid and I have a natty T-booster which I will throw in for good measure.
I was planning on doing a HCG blast for the first 2 weeks following the end of the cycle with 20mg Nolva ED before I start PCT at 1000IU three times a week.
My issue is I now have to go to Oz on a business trip for those 2 weeks and I don't want to take the HCG vials with me as it is illegal to possess there and the penalties are pretty harsh. So my question is do I just forego the HCG and accept a slightly harsher recovery or do I continue as planned but delay everything by 2 weeks? If I do the latter are there any significant implications other than an additional 2 weeks of recovery? Any advise or thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanking you all in advance!
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RustyhookerWhat caught my eye was 8 Weeks on Winny? Thats very harsh if i read correct.
Also, going to Oz for 2 Weeks? You can run your last pin before you go and pct when you return. Less stress of pct on travel
Hi. Thanks for your reply! Sorry you read correctly it's my fault for not being clear. The Whinny I will have only run for 5.5 weeks when I finish. You're 100% right - 8 weeks is way too long on Whinny.
Thanks for the advice on the PCT. That's exactly where I have got too. I'll have my last pin on the 3rd return on 16th and start PCT on the 17th. Thanks so much for validating that for me I appreciate it.
RustyhookerEnjoy your trip! Can add liver protector in there too. Any health section in stores.
Thank you my friend.
Very bad of me not to mention additional support sups. For completeness I am also taking the following:
Anteus Labs - Aegis (liver support)
AI Life-supprt
Creatine
Multi-vitamin
Fish oils
CLA's
Vitamin C
That's it all I believe. I also left out my height which is 5'11".
Thanks for all your replies. I've got this new plan settled now and feel good about it. Focus now for the two weeks I have before I leave and making it count. Good think I will have access to the gym while I am travelling!
I personally believe hcg is a very necessary tool but only under certain circumstances. Cycles over 10-12 weeks, and when using 19-nors like trenbolone or nandrolone. If your not going over 10 or 12 weed and not using 19 -nors you should recover fine.
Have your balls atrophied at all? If so we can so things a little differently to incorporate the hcg.
Thanks for the reply Irongame. My nuts are fine thanks :-). No issues at all. It is a very mild cycle I am on so the more I think about it the more relaxed I am about leaving the HCG out completely this time. I will at some point run something harsher at which point I will include it but likely through the cycle or for the last 6 weeks.
Your g2g then. The greatest benifit of hcg is reversing testicular atrophy, so if you have no problems there then IMO you're good.
Here is a post about this from one of our Veteran Members. He can explain it better than I. It's the last paragraph.
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Rustyhooker 16 hours ago
Some of the discussion goes to 3Weeks instead of two. Whats missing is reality of recovery. If you do not feel normalized at week 4 then continue. After tren i had to run 6 Weeks pct til i felt great.
Charts and graphs showing half life and theories are great for visual effects. But if you're not even listening to your body then who wins? It's not an exact science as blood tests prove. 4 Weeks works for the general masses on normal cycles. But you can't look at recovery or even a cycle as exact timelunes, charts or graphs which cane from lab rats. WE are the lab rats.
Does this mean the last 6 weeks on cycle before pct or last 6 week inlcuding lets say last injection till end of pct? I keep finding a lot of varying stuff on this
That was written by Rustyhooker, but I interpret it as last 6 weeks of cycle up to PCT.
Many thanks for getting back to me Pin_Cushion!
So if I have understood the post correctly HCG may not even be necessary for mild cycles (which I would categorise the one I am currently on as mild). For harsher cycles then it may make sense to include is for the last 6 weeks of the cycle at 500iu per week?
I didn't use HCG on my first cycle and recovered fine shown by blood tests and by how I felt. I was reading many threads on different forums about how useful HCG can be to aid recovery so decided to add it this time.
Given I will not be able to use it for at least 2 weeks after my last Test E pin I will likely just leave it out as there seems to be little other option for me anyway. I will just get bloods done to make sure all is good before considering a further cycle and of course listen to my body!
Thanks again for replying and if anyone has any other views I would really like to hear them.
I have yet to use HCG on any cycle, and have recovered fine. For the 50 guys that say use it, 50 will say don't. It all comes down to you. If you feel you need it to help in recovery then use it. Just watch while using it because it will increase estrogen to a degree. I would possibly consider it on a very suppressing cycle like one with nandrolone possibly, or one that is greater than 16 weeks in length. Basically I feel it will not make or break you. As long as you implement a proper PCT your nuts will return.
Thanks mate!