+ 2 Thoughts on next cycle
All right fellas. Most of you know me so no major introductions. My stats are current and up to date. I'm currently finishing PCT and then will stay natty until wifey gets preagnant (so it may be a while). I'm a planner so I am thinking of a cycle I may run when I do again.
For now I plan to cut BF down to about 10% - 12%. Then I plan on using a cyclical bulking approach (thanks Makwa) to bulk natty. So depending on where I end up and assuming I keep BF around the 12% to 14% range through this time of was thinking the following.
Week 1 - 16 Test 400mg per week (probably use T400)
Week 1 - 16 Bold 800mg per week
Week 4 - 25 aro 12.5mg EOD dosage adjusted following bloods in week 6 and 12.
Week 1 - 19 Proviron 50mg ED
Week 20 - 25 Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
I toyed with the idea of running a drol pulsed 2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 50mg ED but given the duration of the cycle and my goals I think think this is overkill.
I will donate blood before I start and then depending on blood test results again week 6/7 and week 12/13. Aim will be a slow and steady bulk to try and get to 100kg with BF around 15% hopefully less but I am a realist. Diet will be big around 4500 calories per day 300g protein, 500g carbs, 140 Fats. Training will be 5 times per week big compound movements mainly lots of focus on chest and quads. EDIT - calories will be adjusted up as weight increases.
So was wondering what members thought of this approach. Critique and suggestions very welcome.
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RustyhookerBold cyp or eq? Just curious as guys below got you dialed.
Sorry it was clarified below and then I've clearly confused it again by not staying it's EQ when I posted the last version up. My bad. On the HCG point I guess that makes sense. if I didn't run it the whole cycle I'd probably do 6 to 8 weeks at the end. I find it definitely helps with my recovers and smoother PCT. Thanks for the input brother.
RustyhookerSo many theories on hcg. I just look at its a false signal to restart when the gear shuts ya down. On a long or harsh cycle though it holds merit. The folks on trt have posted its use to keep balls plump for cosmetic reasons. Multi uses.
You'll do great!
Something i have never used or even considered using..... been running gear since i was 21 and im 4mths away from being 56 and never had a problem so far........ in all those years it always been Ai "on hand" too.... never ever run Ai throughout a cycle or blast....... and there are only two things i ever turn to if needed and thats good ole Nolva.... and Letrozole if i need something a little more brutal.
I will second on the wonders of Nolvadex. Viking himself suggested I try it to shrink the lumps I had after my last blast, they weren't crazy bad but bad enough that I knew they were there and that is plenty I am sure for all of us.It took just a few weeks at a half nolvadex a day to shrink them right down to almost nothing. So now with my current dosages I don't use any AI but maybe once or if needed twice a week I will pop a nolva and that is all.
RustyhookerEnd of last cycle tge hexarelin seemed to be awesome. Going with that and cjc no dac on pct
thats the way.............. peps will hold everything you gain and you still have that"on " feeling
Ok so after taking into account the feedback and great ideas and advise from my brothers below if landed on the following set-up:
Week 1 - 4 Drol 50mg ED
Week 1 - 12 Test 400mg per week (use T400)
Week 12 - 15 Test E 250mg per week
Week 1 - 16 Bold 800mg per week
Week 16 - 20 Test Prop taper (100mg/100mg/75mg/50mg EOD pinning)
Week 1 - 20 HCG 250IU twice weekly
Week 1 - 20 GHRP-6 300mcg daily
Week 4 - 20 adex at 0.25mg EOD dosage adjusted following bloods in week 6 and 12.
Week 1 - 20 Proviron 50mg ED
PCT as stated above except aro added at 12.5mg EOD and start 3 days after last Test Prop pin
TUDCA while on the drol and other cycle supports sups throughout plus blood tests as described above.
Any other thoughts or ideas or anything I'm missing?
Thanks fella's for the helping here. I've definitely got something to look forward to later this year :-)
RustyhookerI think hcg full cycle is a waste. Either last 6 weeks at 500iu split or Llewellyn blast method 2 weeks before pct
If you are going to run adrol, I would for sure pulse it, 2 wks on 2 off. 50mg worked great for me also. You'll will notice if running it more than 2wks straight that the gains really taper off after that. Pulse it and the growth continues, at least that is what I noticed. Just pulse it until you feel the EQ taking hold. I wouldn't taper down the dose of the prop at the end either. Just stick with your 100 mg eod.
Thanks Mak :-)
Good luck. Real curious how that ghrp works out for you also.
+2 for working through all this.
Cheers for that. I will keep you all posted but it's probably going to be some time before I actaully run. It's conceivable I will have to wait until next year even. Making the baby has to take priority and we won't start that until June. Got some significant travel planned for H2 this year so don't want to be interrupting my run for 2/3 week stints abroad. When I cycle I like to do it properly. I'm also a patient kind of guy (definitely have some stash building to do here) and am really happy focusing on my diet and training and pushing myself natty. After all it's all here that the real hard work happens.
Thanks for all the help fella's. Always learning :-)
Looks good mate. Moderate dosages and solid pct. I would run test for 2 more weeks though.
Dacky. Have a look at the end timings of your test and EQ, they need some adjustment. If you're unsure, I'll help you out but would be good reading for you.
In principle I think the cycle is a decent fit for you. Should be a nice run. Slow builder, but should hold onto it well if your diet and training are good. A nice little technique on test / EQ runs is to drop the test down towards the end and let EQ show its true magic. Could have the test a little higher earlier on then drop it down week 10-12 when the EQ starts to roll. Some ideas for you anyway.
Thanks Cat. I thought I had it figured out but perhaps I've made a fundamental error. The Test 400 I was planning on using contains 100mg/ml of Test Decanoate and I understood this matched with the EQ ester but maybe I have got this wrong. I'll look into it further but if I get the jist the test needs to go for a bit longer than the EQ. Also thanks for the tip regarding reducing the test at the end and having it a bit higher at the beginning. For the latter I could throw in some test prop EOD at say 50mg. For the former is could drop the test to 250 but run it for longer if needed.
I would probably switch over to something without the Decanoate ester. Just going to prolong your start of PCT. Good time to do that would maybe when dropping test at the end. I think test e might make the transition into PCT more smooth.
Ok I think I have it.
How about:
Week 1 - 4 Test Prop 50mg EOD
Week 1 - 14 Test 400mg per week (use T400)
Week 14 - 18 Test E 250mg per week
Week 1 - 16 Bold 800mg per week
prop taper would be better bro 16-20............ that test e would be still high when you enter pct.
And if you run GHRP-6 you will be able to consume massive calories easily, and if you get protein mega high that will jack up your metabolism to turn your body into a fat burning furnace...... without having to bother with all this stupid fkn cardio
Thank you brother for the prop taper suggestion. That's the plan. Will absolutely look into the GHRP 6. I love the idea of packing on muscle and keeping fat down with no cardio :-)
I am assuming that T400 is like a sust blend? The only thing I am wondering about is if the additiion prop along with pinning that blend might have your T levels spiking around. Someone with more experience pinning the two together might be able to answer that.
Yes it is with extra Test E. I see your point. Hopefully someone else can chime in as you say. Was just thinking it was a nice way to get the Test up at the beginning like Cat suggested but yes if it's going to bounce my levels around too much I'll drop
It and just go with extra Test E at the beginning.
Mak's idea below is another one to consider. Definitely look into GHRP6, just stock the freezer up first before you run it !
We're chucking ideas in the pot for you here mate, rather than this whole "do it this way" approach which I think is the better path for the older more sensible heads here.
Yes got it and with thanks. I will fine tune and then repost the final plan in the coming days. I may have some questions on dosage and injection frequency for the GHRP-6 at some point. Again many thanks to you fella's. I do appreciate it.
Have a look at this if you a PEP refresher........ easy to read without all the fkn jargon.
http://www.teampscarb.co.uk/index.php/the-very-basic-guide-to-ghrpghrh-p...
Brother Viking you are a true legend. Thanks for the link. Great read and exactly answering a bunch of questions I've had for a while.
my pleasure
Thanx for posting the link sir!....been considering ghrp myself
dont come complaining to me when that hunger kicks in whilst driving bro............. i swear to you i have had my teeth wrapped around the fkn steering wheel before today lmaooooooo....... hunger hits soooooo hard you feel like you are going to be sick and die.
imo........... its THE BEST appetite booster on the phuckin planet ..... be sure to have food with you at ALL times thoughout the day.
Haha....thanx for the heads up sir!..I suppose the good stuff has a warning label on it...
Caution:.contents may cause user to eat everything within arms reach!...
Thanx again!..
Another tip for you bro............. instead of bac water for mixing if you get hold of some water based B12 give it a try........ it works great, you can read up on B12 with the search function to save me writing an essay lol
I'll get my reading glasses on(no laughing please) and start reading...thanx for the tip !...
Appetite and getting my food in has never been a problem but given the focus on this cycle is going to see me needing to increase calories to new levels. Looking forward to the experience but not the food bill :-p!
Could kick with an oral instead and just keep the test dosing simple???
using EQ or bold cyp?
Sorry good point. EQ as I can't find a reliable src for any Bold Cyp domestic to UK/Europe. If I could I would run the Cyp and drop the duration to 12 weeks.
Hey buddy does the source international hub have to be in Europe? I found one recently with bold cyp but I think their international branch is in Canada.
Appreciate if you can PM me but basically it's my strong preference given I have had some bad luck ordering from offshore (to the UK). Thanks for the tip brother.
No prob buddy. I will pm you