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+ 1 EQ vs Primo, which is your favorite???

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Looking for some opinions on EQ vs Primo. Ran Bayer primo years back and loved it, no experience w EQ. Wondering if I will need an AI for EQ as I did not need one with primo...

Priorities include:

1) Strength
2) Recovery and conditioning
3) Joints/tendons
4) minimal side effects

Gaining weight is not my top goal, although I wouldn't be upset if I gained 5lbs after all said and done.

Edit**I used to train full-time crossfit, but now focus mainly on the requisite lifts (squat, dead, clean and jerk, snatch, push press, gymnastics, etc), and not as much on high intensity metcons every day. Still want to be athletic and move around quick with bodyweight movements and monostructural exercises.

Rough plan is 250-400mg test per week, with either EQ at 500mg or Primo at 400mg - both cycles around 12-16 weeks depending on if I front load.

**Of course there is the issue with getting legitimate primo...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Pandateston's picture

Brother...with those ratios, there's a good chance you'll end up crashing your E2 with either compound, especially EQ.

Personally, I don't think front-loading is necessary. The long esters will build up together anyway, so I'd rather just let them reach steady state naturally. (I’m assuming you’ll run Test C, E or Sust.)

If you didn't need an AI with Primo before, I doubt you'll need one with EQ either. In fact, EQ tends to lower E2 in many guys, so I'd be more concerned about low estrogen than high estrogen.

For the type of training you're doing, I actually wouldn't want low E2. Healthy estrogen helps with strength, recovery, connective tissue, joint comfort, and overall athletic performance.

If it were me, I'd probably go with Test + Primo + a little NPP. If you want a dry performance boost, you could even rotate in some Turinabol.

If you're one of those guys who doesn't get along with 19-nors, then Test + Primo is probably one of the healthiest long-term injectable combinations you can run. The trade-off is you may lose a bit of the joint comfort that comes with compounds that keep estrogen a little higher.

At the end of the day, I'd think long-term. Find a Test/Primo base that agrees with you, then experiment with orals like Dianabol, Anadrol, or Turinabol one at a time. Performance, recovery, and bloodwork will tell you which one your body likes best.

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MuscleTitan35's picture

I like the primo , works good for me very low side effect

ragnarlombrock's picture

100mg of Test-P with 100mg of Primo E2d is my favourite "Wellness" cruise cycle. You'll be still able to make very clean gains without gaining bodyfat or any noticeable sides. No need for anything else if you're not a competitive BB. Only negative thing is hair loss if you are sensitive to it and some dude's struggle with oily skin.

The best primo you can get is the rimobolan from turkish pharmacies. so aggain, in my opinion, short test ester with a dht like primo is the best long term cycle. EQ will make your blood thick like peanut butter and you dont want that. everybody know the stories about thick veins when using EQ. yes, that is looking insane, but it is nothing you really want to have. Nobody want to have blood like jelly

Foreal4's picture

Primo over EQ all day

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Patshiv7's picture

Very interested in this thread running a cycle incorporating EQ for the first 5 months and cruising with primo. Only worry is the E2 crash. I have dbol, prop on hand and will be running HCG on cycle too. Interested in knowing what’s best dosage for cutting on EQ/Primo with test ratios. I have Test cyp 250, EQ 300mg, and primo 200. If anyone with any advice on dosage/ ratios to avoid low e2 would be appreciated! Will run Dbol preworkout 25mg just in case. I feel good with high e2 also

keithkirby90057's picture

Primo for me 100%. I personally get negative sides from eq such as anxiety. I felt amazing on 6-800 of primo. My vascularity really improved and I was able to keep my gains after coming off cycle. If you can afford to send your primo in to be tested to verify its real I would encourage you too as it’s a heavily fakes compound. Good luck bruh

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press1's picture

I know a compound that's wicked for priorities 1 to 3, however on number 4 I can make no promises Lmao .....

randomdude's picture

The shit you find when researching. It always comes back to dbol.

keithkirby90057's picture

Bwahaha lol
Anyway press sides csn be negated with healthy diet lol

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META99's picture

Personally, I would not spend the money on primo for what I get for the return on investment. But if its improved joints and recovery, I would use other things before making this EQ of a stack. My best stacks of lean gains and overall health came from other compounds compared to these two.

Jfcas156's picture

What’s up guys and gals.

So a few months back I went to get my testosterone checked I felt terrible. I’m 31 and test came back with test level of 159. Long story short I was put on trt gel 2 50mg tubes every night before bed. It’s been about 5 months and last blood test I had level of 381 but red blood cells were high and needed to donate. I never did steroids before but was very athletic in my younger years I wrestled and played football so o was constantly in the gym and working out a lot of muscle memory there. I feel like I am currently at my peak and have been thinking of adding something to the trt, what would be best if anything to run I am 6ft 280 and about 15 percent body fat. If you guys recommend something please give me the whole scoop from start to finish whether AI or pct, if it’s not to much to ask. Thanks again

Jfcas156's picture

Thanks man I guess my fat fingers hit the wrong tab, this is not what I was shorting for, have a good one

dpdrummer's picture

Totally agree with above. Primo 100% should be your go to.

fred18M's picture

Although I prefer simple training without any recommendations and without watching videos about workouts from other people and athletes, I still do like online services and tools like BMI Chart calculator, which allows to calculate your body mass index, simply to understand what exact mass you should have at the certain levels of your height.

fred18M's picture

Yeah, it can show pretty nice results.

Big K0's picture

EQ would be my number one choice but do check for RBC count and prostate on EQ

Joggybro's picture

this comment nailed it regarding the eq anti estrogen effects..
somehow it has an effect on the estro binding receptor or tends to make other compounds aromatise less..
personally id pick eq over primo all day long

Bearded_muscle's picture

Steroids are really there for gaining weight man. At the very least for holding mass while you cut down. If you don’t want to get big, I don’t think they’re gonna be worth the side effects.

They accelerate the rate your muscles recover and do very little for connective tissue. If your concern is joint/ligament/tendon health then you probably shouldn’t take gear. It sounds like it’s already an issue for you and taking anabolics will accelerate whatever connective tissue issues you’re experiencing.

If you’re just looking for a little quality of life, maybe slightly deeper sleep, and a bit more recovery I’d look into gh at 1-2 iu. Like a true hrt dose. I think that would be more beneficial for connective tissue recovery, provided you don’t have any blood sugar issues.

There’s also peptides like tb500 and bpc157. They are specifically for connective tissue healing.

Big K0's picture

Spot on !!

Peptides BPC and TB500 would be the best choice if joints/tendons is the issue

Makwa's picture

Keeping it real.

palmetto61's picture

cool thanks for the intel! I love GH and will check into those peptides

palmetto61's picture

still want to be able to move around quick though with running, burpees, box jumps, handstand pushups etc. so I don't want to carry around a bunch of extra weight

palmetto61's picture

that probably should have just said crossfit-ish. Used to do it full-time for a number of years...now I focus mainly on the lifts and have scaled back the conditioning a bit so it's definitely more strength-focused. noticed after a certain point doing insanely high intensity metcons every day did not allow for a lot of progress with the weights.

press1's picture

You need to be looking at Deca or NPP - neither of those 2 compounds are good for strength, in fact they are fairly minimal for muscle gain too.

If you want to improve your joints and tendons you should be using Collagen Hydro, Zinc, High Vit C and HGH if you can afford it.

palmetto61's picture

I also have to say that I am not as much crossfit anymore as I used to be...main focus is building core lifts and clean/snatch. I do roughly 3 conditioning workouts a week but I do not want to carry a ton of water weight for them.

palmetto61's picture

appreciate the advice but I've been natural for about 8 years. while I have made great progress natural..I also had exceptional results (in the past) off of moderate doses of gear, and am looking for a little more ROI since I am getting a little older.

I was mainly leaning towards primo again, but was just curious to see if anyone here likes EQ better for strength.

thanks again for your time

palmetto61's picture

thanks dude....I am pretty lean and have a really fast metabolism so I do think that's why I respond to mild doses.

Originally was very stoked to try EQ, but I have read more info lately on it completely crashing Estradiol in some people and causing anxiety/mood issues. but at the milder dose (~400/week) do you still think those are concerns?

really enjoyed the way I felt on primo so I am just skeptical on EQ now from what I've been reading. PCT I will need some advice because it's been so long but was thinking it would be pretty easy since the ill be using pretty moderate doses?

BJ's picture

I can’t say I never did partake in that kind of activity. Going hoggin from time to time I’d FUN!

palmetto61's picture

lol! I think a lot more of the high level guys use them than is talked about

palmetto61's picture

I haven't cycled in 8 years ish but I have done low-dose test with 300mg of primo and got amazing results...before that and before crossfit I did a test only cycle, then a test with dbol kicker/winstrol finisher. ran deca once but didn't like sides, and NPP/masteron once but got me too blown up on conditioning workouts.

I am leaning towards primo just from how awesome I felt last time on only 300mg, figured 400mg would be awesome. But, everyone raves about joint/tendon strength and better strength/stamina from EQ so idk

cMonkeyrock's picture

Hey Palmetto, I can relate a personal experience with a Test E/Primo cycle a did a little more than a year ago. My intent was to gain 10 lbs+ and did a 12 week 500mg Test E/400mg Primo weekly pins...gained 3 or 4 lbs, but was really shredded. Everything rounded out really well, but don't look to gain 10 lbs on this stack unless you eat 6000 calories a day. Just my experience. (I'm 52, so may have some bearing). Coincidentally, I'm looking to start another cycle soon and was asking around here. It was recommended to me that Test E/Anavar could be a better solution, as its low on side-effects and toxicity. Doing my research on this very subject this week.

P.S. AAS is most definitely in the sport of crossfit.

palmetto61's picture

Thank you ! this is great info...I did a similar cycle 8 years ago but lower doses. 250mg test and 300mg primo and I also gained a few pounds but had excellent recovery and physique looked insanely better. This time I plan to run your's at 400mg primo, really looking forward to it.