Cutting question.
OK im currently runnning the cycle below. The thing is i was on a natty bulk for 4 months before i started this cycle and i gained 13pds some of which i know is fat but alot of muscle. Iv ran 3 mini/shit cycles before this one so I know my body pretty well. I want to start cutting a little either at the end or after my cycle but i dont want to diet away my new gains(or alot of it). My question is instead of adding the prop at week 12-14 as taper and then dieting down after PCT would it be smarter to add some Winny at say week 8-12 to help me lean out without dieting super hard. I try and make it clear in all my posts that im trying to get big so i can compete im not just here to try and get a sick pack or be fit, size is my top priority. Also im not trying to use the winstrol so i can be lazy i just dont want to diet my gains away getting ready for summer. My fat percentage cant be to high because i can still see my abs when i pose. I would give a percentage but i dont know it. Just incase stats are needed. 21 6'1 223(wk 4.5 of cycle) 4thcycle 1st REAL cycle. Once again id like to clarify that i know how to diet and train i was just wanting some info from some vetys on my situation because i know it takes time to solidify your gains so i dont want to diet them away in thier most vulnerable point.
Test E 600 bi-wkly wks 1-12
Test P 100 ED wks 1-4 12-14
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Thanks for the reply tread. I didnt mean i have dieting figured out i meant i dont want waste time with a bunch of diet advice like everyone wants to throw out there, I dont want to be told to run like a dog or "eat a proper diet" i already am eating properly but as with anyone trying to bulk especially in a case like mine where i havent been doing this long i think only gaining a few pounds of fat and a good amount of muscle is doing pretty well, the more i learn the better i can do that(gain more muscle less fat) Again thanks for your reply but this is what i was trying to get out there. Either way i WILL diet back down to my full etched 6 pack for summer what i wanted was opinions on will i keep my gains better if i add the winstrol to my cycle so that i dont have to diet as hard to lean out. To bulk you need a surplus of QUALITY calories to lean out you need less. I ALWAYS diet slowly to try and not cost me to much muscle. I wasent trying to add the Winny for more size i wanted it to help me lean out closer to the end so i dont have to stay in the negative so long trying to strip a little fat.
I basically understand now that noone is going to tell me especially at my age/exp to add the winstrol and everyones just going to say "slow go and check your diet" like always. I believe in slower gains are kept better hence the reason im not adding anything into this cycle even tho i REALLY REALLY want to. Once again thanks for your time!!! ;)
tread-mBrother this a very long conversation to be had. I'd ask you at your age to refrain from saying things like "I know how to diet". It takes successful bilders years to know how to diet because the things that manipulate your body will be different from others. By the time you are 30 you will have figured out serious carb manipulation and 100 other very specific diet tools for yourself. Diet is the answer to all of this so I always say if you are not exactly where you want to be at every interval of coming up the answers are in diet. Don't get stuck in a frame of thinking diet is figured out because you will learn things about diet from now on. The diets of today have changed some when compared to even 10 yrs ago because new synergy with different compounds and stacks have been found. Its an evolution so yes, you can find a way to cut without losing your gains but the key to that is "how did you achieve those gains". The lean mean slow hard earned gains are very easy to keep because you don't have all the crap that came along with the less productive gains. For me its big caloric intake on lean meat and learn your carb manipulation tools and how you react to specifics with carb manipulation. The compounds just speed that process but the carb work has to be the goal in a cut. "If" you attained good gains they have solidified because they were quality, this makes a cut so much easier. Its another reason I push people away from things like dbol, very hard to bring quality gains there unless dialed in like crazy running an AI and doing all the other things needed to bring quality. I prefer slow steady solod growth over the fast blow ups. In a fast blow up the body never even has time to accept the weight from a metabolic standpoint so the likelyhood of keeping those gains is slim. In a slow steady quality gain the body is adapting nice and slow right along with the gains and keeping those gains in a proper diet is highly likely. I know you are being methodical because you reached out so yes the cutters help but put more focus on the mirror and not the scale and watch the quality as it comes on. If you see things you don't like in a build change them as you roll rather than waiting to the end of a cycle and trying to pull off 5% in bf. The argument has always been, "well cutler or whover gains 40 pounds and cuts it in the cut run, how is that wrong? " well its not if your base is 5'11" Cut up at 263 so the point is you're not Cutler, your not Heath etc. My favorite saying I think, "slow roll to the big show". Its that in my opinion, it takes extreme patience to build slow particularly in your generation (no offense) but if you follow that path by the time you hit 30 you will be a much better solidified builder than these dbolers who jumped around 40 pounds per cycle and spent 10 years trying to pull crap off their body they put on in these cycles where you gain way too much weight. You're doing fine brother, utilize your compounds properly if you want to compete and do it healthy so you feel as good as you look the whole roll. So IMO the answer to your question being first cycle is finsih out your run with good solid diet and then train harder, lift bigger and eat like someone building quality does in the off cycle then come back next round and think an additional compound for a little deeper quality.
Nuff said.