Advice for deca and test cycle
Hey guys, I've been cruising at 180mg test only for the past 4 months, as I was getting ready for adminoplasty surgery. I had lost 130lbs and they cut the skin off and sutured my abdomen tight. Surgery is a bitch by the way for anyone considering it.
I have been on trt for 4 years. In that time, I've run several cycles and tried several compounds to get a feel for what helps me and what I tolerate well. I don't not like tren at all and won't use it again. It's great for alot of guys. I get all the sides and I hate the shit. I tolerate test well without alot of estrogen sides other than acne if I get over 400mg/wk. I'm not a megadose gear guy. 600mg of test a week is the most I've ever run at a time along with Mast and primo. I get bloods done before middle and end of cycle. I'm as responsible as I can be with using ug gear. I tend to tolerate NPP really well and respond really well to it.
I'm wanting to run a 16 week cycle through the winter to gain some strength. I want to get my bench up to 405lbs because its a bucket list item. I don't really care about staying there forever. I just want to hit it once or twice. My current ORM is 365lbs
By the way, I'm 40 years old, 6'2 and 240lbs. I'd guess my bodyfat currently post op around 12-14%. Recent bloods look great. All items are within tolerance. Test level is running around 900 currently on 180mg of pharma grade cyp (empower)
I'm thinking about running deca durabolin and testosterone cycle. I have pharma grade cyp and enathanate on hand as well as some good sustanon and a bunch of Prop. I have deca on hand too as well as NPP.
I'm looking for some advice/input on what you guys would recommend doseage wise for each compound based on my profile and history with doeseages. Again, I'm not a gram a week guy. I don't think it's necessary. I'm more interested in what ratios you guys have the best luck with for deca and test. I'm open to NPP and Prop too if there is a compelling reason, as I have both on hand.
Thanks guys!
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Kel34I agree , more than 10 weeks is your best bet. Understand Dec will break you down worse than other gear and make it hard to recover , make sure PCT is there.
You are using the perfect amount of cyp to experiment. I go the route Growmore discusses. Its extremely clean, very dry. I had heart tests done... clean after long time with deca.
You want to know the truth about test deca, stay away from the bb sites, check out what lads with AIDS do, and what trt lads do... Good reading on excel male. Then, with that knowledge you can figure the right amount for you.
Now, that said... with the dryness i mentioned, comes less strength, right.. so.. from what I am reading, you are going for numbers... so something with more test and dbol could be the ticket to get you to the number you wanna lift.
This is really helpful. Thank you. I'm working in some deca, currently at 180mg Test Cyp and 100mg Deca. I'm planning on doubling the deca after 3 weeks and then doubling again after another 3 weeks to see how i feel. I wonder if I should try 40mg a day of dbol mid cycle or at the end for 6 weeks or maybe Anadrol? I have both on hand.
Best strength gains I ever saw were from pharma dbol out of Eastern Europe, 5x5mg per day... far better than adrol at multiples of that dose!
But I'm no powerlifter!
I'd say Press1 would give you a fairly decent steer on which may fit better for strength!
To add a different angle to this discussion.. We’ve got and have had some real knowledgeable monsters on here who will run TRT test with a large amount of nandrolone and get phenomenal results. I haven’t personally tried it but members like beardedmuscle and giardap run it as above and if you’re interested in doing so I would recommend speaking with them. You’ll find there is a lot of negative comments on high nandrolone low test, it even seems to anger some, but those who are avidly against it 9/10 haven’t tried it themselves.
Apparently it’s dry quality gains, their bloods come back with less damage then if high test was included in their blasts and low sides.
I agree with Tommy also, test, deca and mast really is a great blast for any goals but especially for size and strength. I have great results with equal test and deca and 300 mast e but like everything in this game, your mileage may vary.
This is interesting. Nandrolone seems to increase estrogen conversion from testosterone so lower levels of test in this situation will have less conversion. I think this is better than an all nandrolone cycle
There are some who go all nandrolone but I’m sure they are a rarer breed. I wouldn’t try it at this point as I haven’t spoke to enough who have.
BM, Giardap and another big lad on here, all advocate running TRT test with high deca so there is some oestrogen to keep functionality.
The only issue I have with deca is it affects heart or blood vessels a lil more than alot of inject steroids. I've read a few studies on this as it's well known
I’ve seen them also mate. The lads I’ve spoke to have said the high deca low tests protocol hasn’t fucked up lipid panel results, BP or hematocrit levels anywhere near a moderate test blast.
The answer will always be if possible take bloods regularly and get an ECG once a year and monitor the results. Let’s be honest not many will do this myself included. It usually comes down to pick your poison.
Wow, so better than a moderate test blast as far as less damage? Now that's interesting. And to be fair most of those 70 era bodybuilders used deca.
Arnold has had his fair share of heart surgeries!
My avatar pic...Arnold's rival, "The Myth" Sergio Olivia died of heart issues. He along with Arnold used excessive amounts. There will never be another Myth!
For sure. He along with most started with Deca. Folks can believe whatever but Arnold used higher dosages than the average bodybuilder back then. Yes he had good genes but higher dosages helped him also. And those exact higher dosages hurt him in the end. He wanted to be the best by any means
Without a doubt mate, the lad injected deca by the gram and ate handfuls of dbol a day.
Hahaha. He put a handful of them in his protein shake inside a blender. He didn't count them lol, true story. I've talked to several older guys that were around at that time who lived in California. It's hilarious
Great input. Thank you. I've seen that type of ratio around before and that's why I made this post. I've always been told 50% of your test dose in deca, but that's just gym folklore. Would like to hear from some more guys like those you mentioned. Again, thank you
People used to get jumped on here for even mentioning it a couple years ago. The whole “Test is best” mantra. I would imagine some people will have to run it at 50% of their test dose but not all.
There’s a great deal to unwrap on the whole debate- will you need caber, can you still get hard, do you need a DHT run along side, will you get depressed and anxiety etc. Try it and see. In my experience a lot depends on how well you are able to control your oestrogen.
My next blast will more than lightly be 175mg test and 1 gram of deca, 18 weeks long with proviron or mast at a low dose. NPP is great but in my experience it’s inferior to deca in a longer cycle and when wanting to add size and strength.
RustyhookerI ran low test...npp 850 with mast for cutter. Did well. Bearded is good one to ask fir sure
I hadn’t realised you were already in the gang. How did you find the sides?
RustyhookerNo sides. I even switched other shorts/orals in and out during the run.
For me personally....ive done better with test higher on strength and mass. But on recomp or cutting i enjoyed low or no ai. Pin...eat..lift. My opinion to anyone that gets issues with test levels up high....find a good low test alternative. Or as with eq...600 eq and 350test and eq mild conversion to a mild ai----see on bloods if things like that do you well personally.
EQ is another interesting option.
I also do better with say 500 test in my blasts then TRT test when it comes to Tren at least.
RustyhookerAgree. So many variables at play we learn over time.
RustyhookerNot a gram a week....well...that closes many options.
600test...400deca....1gram. Ai/da on hand. Bloods week 5
Good point. I should have been more clear. I'm not opposed to a gram a week of gear overall. I'd just prefer not to run a gram of this and a gram of that kind of thing. I like the idea of 600 test and 400 deca if that's what you were suggesting. I have adex and caber on hand for AI
RustyhookerI actually enjoyed 600 test 350npp a lot more. Easy enough to lower to 500test 300npp as well.
Agree on gram x gram y. High five.
I'm assuming you ran Test P with the NPP?
RustyhookerNo sir. Ran sustanon or enth/cyp. I like prop but if youre running that combo the pins are big as well as frequent. 300npp is lil easier with eod pins as you can blend it with small cc shots.
Theres a sticky on npp thats pretty good. Gives many ideas on typical cycles. Bloods, trial/error and being prepared all come into play.
I’ve been running 500/400/500 Test/Deca/Mast for 6 weeks and its been great.
Test and Deca for adding mass, Mast for keeping gains dry and minimizing water retention. I love deca, if its your first time with deca I would recommend you use NPP first as its a faster acting ester of nandrolone. That way if you get bad mental sides you can drop it and it will be out of your system fast. Deca has an extremely long half life. Also, keep caber on hand!
Thank you, sir!
Run this cycle for a few weeks to make sure you can handle it, then throw in some low dose tren 150-250mg/wk and it will be the best cycle ever, ;) i love tren/deca combo. Have to use caber though since my prolactin tends to run high combining 2 19nors