+ 44 Simple PCT Layouts
Cut to the chase as most folks won't read. Everyone likes to just jump in and go for it.
Dr Michael Scally PCT
STARTS 2 weeks after cycle ends
HCG at 2000iu eod for 20 days
Nolva at 40mg split am/pm for 45 days
Clomid at 100mg split am/pm for 45 days
Thats a basic 6 week protocol. Look familiar?
https://anabolic.org/post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Medically Reviewed by William Llewellyn, written by Dan Chaiet
12-14 hCG at 100-1500iu every 2 days
14-16 Aromasin 25mg per day
14-18 Nolva 40mg per day
14-18nolva 20mg per day
Vitamin D at 3332 iu daily lowers SHBG
https://www.steroidal.com/post-cycle-therapy/
Quotes from the Dr and PhD-- using the links posted
'hCG taken too long or at too high a dosage, the LH receptor can become desensitized'
'Aromasin has less impact on cholesterol'
Sidenote of aromasin raising igf as well.
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Eroids members extrapolated the above info and test subjects at that time posted bloods.
The members that built the often posted aro pct are Carlos Danger, cdaddy, zewi and myself.
The origional recipe called for 12.5mg aromasin daily which caused many folks to have too low estro and sore joints. The modified version below.
Harsh or long cycle had suggestion of hCG.
1 week after last pin---hCG at 500iu eod til 2nd week of pct. 3 weeks total.
2 weeks after last pin of cycle
1-2 aromasin 6.25ed
1-2 nolva 40mg split am/pm
1-2 clomid 100mg split am/pm
3-6 nolva 20mg
3-6 clomid 50mg
Edit--if bloods showed the need for caber on cycle, ive run it to second week of pct. Allow for full control by pct then stop.
The standard was 4weeks. Basic cycles or short estered cycles not using 19nor's
1-2 aromasin 6.25ed
1-2 nolva 40mg split ed
1-2 clomid 100mg split ed
3-4 nolva 20mg
3-4 Clomid 50mg
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Why does Llewellyn suggest ai during pct? Because if your e2 or prolactin is elevated, your pct will fail. Proof of why it will fail is in Eroids Group run by a medically based member MegaT883
https://www.eroids.com/og/the-bloody-truth
Any route you choose, be sure to use Pharma or equivalent grade pct products.
SgtStedankos advice on pct and libido was the addition of horney goat weed. You can google it as your research project. Its been used medically for sex drive well over a decade. I prefer the horney goat weed, maca blend. I have bad sides when i used the blend with yohimbe.
And i hope folks read and review what Llewellyn says repeatedly about hCH for too high or too long. The folks running hCG during cycle are just wreaking havoc on trying to have a successful pct.
Half life aromasin
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14671195/?i=6&from=aromasin%20half...
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Calling HCG Pro's!!!
When the Old Ball Bag begins to fill up (if you are lucky enough) how do you know when it is happening? Can you feel the pressure or do you feel extremely horny?
Feels like being kicked in the nuts by a horse.
Can you naturally produce test if running cycle for 5 months first cycle ever. 500mgs test e weekly
1mg anaztrozole when estro symptoms arrived.
And I mean without taking any pct
Nope
I’ve been running test for about 9 months at around 500mgs weekly. (Pin twice) and anaztrozole when feel estro kicking in.. at month 9 dropped cycle due to low libido and possible ed, never have ran a pct and want to fix this now also hormones are all over the place, please help !
9 month cycle, you may have screwed the pooch in terms of trying to recover. Going to need to run an extended PCT and hope for the best. I would probably blast 1500-2500iu of HCG EOD for 2weeks or at least until your rasiins turn back into grapes. May likely need 6.25-12.5mg asin ED to control possible estro spike. Let the HCG clear for 10 days and start aggressive Nolva/Clomid PCT for 6 weeks. 40/100 ED first two weeks then 20/50 remaining 4 weeks. Blood test 3-4 wks after PCT ends to see if recovered. If not, you likely will be pinning test for rest of your life.
Where could I get all of this ?
Every site reviewed here pretty much sells all of it. Stick with the top sources to be safe. Pharma is probably the best option but you will likely need to use an international site for that. Some of them do have a domestic option though for a little quicker delivery.
The read is great so as comments !
Still using these layouts 4 years later!
Coming off 1.5yrs of TRT and Fertility Dr currently has me on:
500iu hcg m/w/f
50mg clomid ED
20mg nolva ED
25mg aromasin ED
Had a bunch of clomid left over from my first baby, so I’ll be doubling it to 50mg am/pm for the first two weeks. I went from 0 to 100mil sperm in 90 days with this last time, fingers crossed it’ll work just as well for the second go!
Also, it’s pretty nice having insurance pay for a pharma pct lol
RustyhookerSurely check that e2 levels around week 2. Looking at your layout it would seem to take it down way too low, bro. It rhymed!
Good luck becoming a dad again!!
Thank you!
Dr has me check bloods pretty regularly. They switched me over to Aro from adex (after lots of begging and convincing) for TRT last year and just kept me on the same prescription during fertility treatment. I’ve been taking the aromasin 25 eod instead of ED and it’s been great. I’ve thankfully never had any low e2 symptoms with the Aromasin, but have crashed it with adex and letro back when I would young and dumb. The e2 rebound from adex and having crashed it with too high of an adex dose before is what led me to seek aro for TRT. I can’t imagine ever going back to adex with how great aro has been for me.
I’d have to dig it up, but I remember years ago reading some published papers about Aromasin never totally crashing your e2 no matter how high of a dose you took. I can look them up if you’re interested!
I dont know if this is the place for this question as I am new,
but i have been on and will be on test cyp for life for medical issues [200mg / 2x per week = 400mg a week]
I recently wanted acquired deca durabolin that I would like to add for 12 weeks at 300mg a week for greater strength gains etc etc
will i need clomid for PCT if I am going to continue my testosterone once the deca runs out?
i appreciate any help
much love
RustyhookerNo sir...just go vack to your trt doses. 400mg per week isnt trt and very hazardous if thats your long term dose.
Week 5 of your cycle run blood tests so you know your e2 and prolactin levels. And ai/da to keep those in check
The 400mg per week was perscribed to me by my doctor. I was on deaths door at 119 lbs soaking wet. I looked like david bowie living on milk and cocaine.
risk/reward ratio...how hazardous are you talking? What should I expect from the deca durabolin. any information on that which I may have missed during my own research? I only took it once a week ago, due again today. so much stronger already. is it going to get me so bulked that i cant get cut? I also enjoy fasting/intermittent fasting... how stupid is that while taking this stuff?
Much love for any replies
This is a great write up! Rock on!
RustyhookerWelcome to eroids sir
Appreciate this man.
RustyhookerHope its helpful for many cycles!
Why is the recommendation to use HCG for a week or two before using first Nova and clomid?
Do people use Hcg, clomid, and nolva at the same time?
RustyhookerIts to wake up the leydig cells which have been 'asleep' during the cycles shutdown period.
I dont recommend hcg ON cycle as a constant either. Overstimulation of the leydigs making their sensitivity drop. Its like trying to turn on a light when the electricity is shut off. Hcg makes a spark and the steroid shutdown snaps it right back off.
Hcg 1 week at the most into pct imo. Estrogen getting high can stop your pct from being successful via feedback loop. Hcg has a conversion to e2.
SwoljaboyGot to see this finially. Just a quick question on this. Can adex be substituted for asin?
No, aromasin is suicide inhibitor and arimidex is not. You can get an estro rebound from the adex which will hamper the effectiveness of your PCT.
RustyhookerPlus asin lowers igf. Just another downside...lol
2000 IU EOD seems a little steep if its just a normal test cycle.
RustyhookerI wouldnt go beyond 500iu eod on a bigger cycle. And basic test 500....just pct clomid nolva. But all the variable are posted do folks can read, reswarch many ins and outs.
Hey Rusty, have you every used HMG? I was reading about it. It was almost as though it was a better option but I was not sure. I was looking for peoples anecdotal experiences.
RustyhookerI have not. I did read that if you over do hmg that it can cause further shutdown but havent read pubmed etc to prove disprove. Many folks on here have used it.
Thanks for sending me here Rusty! The PCT protocol I had in mind for my 12 weeks at 300-600 MGs of test is the one by dr Michael Scally. The difference in my book is it calls for the 2000iu every other day for 20 days. Do you think this protocol is overkill for test only cycles?
1000iu/d for 10 days before you start your PCT meds.
AnonI think it is. 12 weeks of moderate-low Test doesn't require any HCG. 2000iu eod for 20 days is going to raise your estro. And you won't need that much HCG. Stick to 500iu.
Rustyhooker^^^^^500iu is better choice. High five!
500iu during the 2 weeks off gear and tgen pct chems starts.
Thanks for the response so if I got this straight I’d be doing:
Week 12 finish last test e administration
Week 13-14 500iu everyday at EOD
Week 15 start nova/Clomid no more HCG (is that what you mean by tgen?)
Thanks guys!
RustyhookerYip! As it says way up top
Let me ask you guys this why is it that sometimes you read to do the HCG with a cycle, right after a cycle or with PCT meds? Is this all personal preference or cycle dependent. You all have certainly made it much clearer but it can be frustrating reading different info from site to site or from a book. Haha just when you think you got it figured out your like fuck…
You don't want to use in conjunction with PCT meds. HCG creates a negative feedback loop and will keep you shut down. Run it only for short burst before PCT meds to turn the switch back on. Prolonged use during cycle will desensitize Lydig cells. Short blast before PCT is best if going to use it at all.
RustyhookerHcg with a cycle to me is trash. Lights turned off during cycle so flick it on for a minute? Why? Its proven to de-sensitize your leydig cells. Use hcg when its meant to.....the 14ish says from last pin til pct starts. With pct can raise e2 and halt your pct from working.
Why.....basically thousands of minds posting opinions. Ideas to dissect and research. Forced learning.
Thanks again fellas I am definitely taking your advice rusty/makwa!
Thanks! This guide is helpful..
RustyhookerAnytime!
Not sure why you didn't mention HCG though. It's very popular
RustyhookerHcg is posted. Its always an option
I liked hcg on long or harsh cycles 2 weeks prior to pct starting.
As another option, can you run HGH with 1 of the PCT listed?
RustyhookerYessir! In hgh forums i bumped a forum bu tread...a guru-- talking about hgh to balance the axis
https://www.eroids.com/comment/2928575
Thanks a lot for this pct guide.
Noice.
Is it possible and ok to run :
1-2 Clomid 100mg Ed
1-2 Nolva 40mg ed
3-4 HcG ~250-500 m/w/f or EoD (due to fact not in hand jet)
3-4 Clomid 50mg Ed
3-4 Nolva 20mg ed
If cycle has been for 12 weeks of Test mix p,c,e around 700mg/week.
Any input...
RustyhookerYes for first 2 weeks but might look at 6.25 aro with the hcg just to avoid the e2 causing negative loop that hinders recovery. If skin gets dry or joints start to feel sore just stop the aro. E2 of course is dependant on the user and their conversions.
And anytime i was at week 4 and still felt like blah still....theres nothing wrong with extending pct. Again, user dependent. The 4 week ideal was created with average folks and everything on point. As we age and things slow or harsh cycles....extend it.
NOTE: mega883t was a blood guru imo and posted many forums on bloods and recovery. High e2 or prolactin causes neg feedback loop and halts recovery. We know prolactin follows e2 so 1 road of ai typically fixes the other but theres also caber if we run nors high or bloods show need to control excessive conversions. Same idea of adex in pct causes neg feedback loop.
From above::
Harsh or long cycle had suggestion of hCG.
1 week after last pin---hCG at 500iu eod til 2nd week of pct. 3 weeks total.
2 weeks after last pin of cycle
1-2 aromasin 6.25ed
1-2 nolva 40mg split am/pm
1-2 clomid 100mg split am/pm
3-6 nolva 20mg
3-6 clomid 50mg
Great input Rusty as always.
I think I'm been reading on every post here is that legit points to right direction of good pct and HcG.
Many conflicting thoughts about HcG and pct together and doses. I would use it straight after last pin but simply don't have it yet.
So have to adapt to best scenario here.
I would love to cruise but feel I'm.still no there jet and no point of shutting myself off even more. So pct at the moment seems like best idea. Ofcourse to talk open forums is not always easy. As people as opinions, but i do trust veterans like you. And this basicly is the golden standard here. Only thing to tamper is AI and HcG.
Thanks and appreciate it.
RustyhookerAnytime bro. And youre correct on hcg yes or no for pct. So many opinions. Bloods will always be the true rule and with everyone reacting similar yet differrent when it comes to meds....its litrrally info overload but for the best intentions.
Always here to help
this is the content im looking for! thank you for your service.