posted Sun, 01/13/2013 - 04:28
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Need HELP With HCG - PCT
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I have 2 bottles of 5000iu of HCG for post for a 12 weeks of Sus250 @ 500mg a week cycl,
Im on my 10week, I also have a lot of 50mg clomid on hand to!
when and how should I do the HCG and clomids, and how much should I take....
Im 26
235lbs on my 6th cycle
BF 8-10
Thanks for the help
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dude, i seriously mean no disrespect and am not trying to be a dick, but how the hell are you on your 6th cycle and dont know how to or the timing of running hcg and clomid?! me personally, i plan on running HCG throughout EVERY one of my cycles regardless of how many compounds im running and/or how long the cycle is. its like preventative maintenance, not expensive at all, and IMO should be standard practice in EVERY cycle, but i still have a lot to learn and may be missing something. anyways, you're 10 weeks in so starting to pin 250 iu's 2x a week doesnt have much of a point, so i'd blast 500 iu's for 10 days starting 8 days after your last sust pin. i say 8 days because that will give your system 3 days to clear the hcg before starting the clomid, and you'll be able to use all 5000 iu's if your pinning 500 a day. i mixed mine with 3 ml of bacteriostatic water which means every 30 units in the pin (29 gauge 1/2" 1 cc) was 500 iu's of hcg. this is exactly what i did except the esters i ran were much shorter so timing was much different, but the idea is the same and it worked pretty good at restoring my boys to original size and laying the prep work for the clomid.
Anoni think it really boils down to where people get their information as to the level of wisdom/experience they have. i went for right at a year of straight blasting and getting my advice from a colleague. figured the dude knew his shit, since he has 20+ years under his belt and is 52 but looks 40. truth is, he's the prime example of steroid abuse and really has no clue how badly he's fucked himself up. PCT means nothing to him, nor does having any sort of system set in place with how he executes his cycle. just kinda like a damn guinea pig if you ask me.. Shit, i didn't even know what an AI was until I found this site. Just goes to show that you never know where people are truely at when their are subject to bad advice and upbringing with AAS.
Anoni have read in other forums and occasionally here about hcg blasts for pct. IMO, i feel it really comes down to the individual circumstances. personally, i'm not a fan of exogenous hormones during pct. the goal is to reboot HPTA axis. hcg - human choronic gonadatropins - are exogenous gonadatropins. what we will see here is the basic homeostatic response of negative feedback. as the brain detects the levels of hormones, it sends the signal "there is enough, or too much". thru negative feedback, synthesis of the respective hormones will cease.
clomid's role in this is to stimulate gonadatropin synthesis, not introduce exogenous forms. nolva plays a role in this as well, as does aromasin. aromasin will go a bit further than other AI's by binding to SHBG, thereby freeing up circulating test. it acts in synergy with clomid in terms of gonadatropin synthesis (LH & FSH).
i feel that the role of hcg for most should be to prevent or retard testicular atrophe - keep the doods from shinking up. this would be an on-cycle protocol. when to start, would really depend on the person. as experience with running compounds accumulates, one becomes more in tuned with their body. as such, they begin to identify when the shut down may occur due to the grapes turning to prunes. haha.
first time cycle and the body has no idea how to react, so the shut down make take a bit longer to completely shut down HPTA function. personally, i don't think hcg is even necessary on a first cycle. as cycle length is extended, i would say it's definitely a feasible option. once again tho, it depends on the individual and the compounds being ran.
hcg does convert to estrogen, so the AI aspects become more pronounced to prevent sides. once again, i am talking about on-cycle administration.
pct, should be 3-4 weeks after last sust pin. due to the compounding affect of the long ester in sust, the levels will remain elevated a bit longer than with enan or cyp. what AI are you using - i hope you're using one... your pct should look like this:
clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 20/20/10/10
aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
the lower nolva dose is appropriate due to the simplicity and length of your cycle. the higher doses you see in the logs are more in line with longer, poly-compound cycles. this lower dose will provide what is needed and help avoid the blues.
What about you AI??
Nice post
Anonthanks. bro, are you getting your email notifications when people reply to your posts? because mine stopped coming about mid afternoon yesterday. my settings are set correctly, but they're just not coming. so, between that and no "track" feature, i have no way of knowing people are responding or trying to keep the dialogue going.. i have to try to remember where all i post and then go back and find the threads just to see if someone responded. it's a bit discouraging...
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI never enabled that feature. I only get email notifications from PM's.
There's a stream feature (which you can see when you click on someones profile - on a tab) and the public heartbeat feature (which is near the eroids logo at the top of the screen) which i believe will do the same job as the 'track' button, but until they're enabled, i also have no idea who's replied to which forum thread, lol
Anonyeah, i knew about the heartbeat feature - just waiting on them to turn it on. my stream feature does not work yet..
You've done no research and you're asking to be spoon-fed all the information. Luckily i'm in a good mood;
G&C’s Ultimate PCT:
Aromasin 12.5mg Daily continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg Daily/Nolva 40 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg Daily/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Zewi’s Ultimate Tweak PCT:
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD continuing the two weeks between last test shot and PCT
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong. As suggested by Zewi..
Here's when I dose;
-AI's > Aromasin: In the Morning
-PCT > Clomid: Throughout the day
-PCT > Nolva: At Night
Why:
Free testosterone has reached a peak in the late morning until around mid-day when the sun has risen, this is why you wake up with 'morning wood'); so to capitalise upon the daily peaks in your free testosterone, I dose my aromasin in the morning. This will prevent any peaks in my estrogen throughout the day (since its half life is ~27 hours) and it will also further increase the amount of free testosterone in my system, since aromasin removes the binded testosterone from your sex hormone binging globulin (SHBG).
I dose my clomid throughout the day, because clomid is highly surpressive, it gets me emotional if i take a high dose all at once. Also i want to keep my blood levels as stable as possible to prevent any further sides.
My nolvadex dose is taken before i go to bed at night, since this is when estrogen is peaked in the human body. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, so while im sleeping, the estrogen is under control, which also aids my testosterone peaks the next morning.
thanks man...
Anonlook who's on the scene! you beat me to the punch brother. guess we hit the keyboard about the same time. good stuff there. i like the way you think! haha
Great minds think alike
AGAIN
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/announcing-gc...
We've got a little search bar up top, most questions have already been answered, you just have to dig in a bit. This one's on the house. Good luck bro.
thanks man