+ 2 Lab results with questions!
So as some of you may know I have been struggling with my arimidex dose and dialing in estradiol. I'm on 500 mgs a week of test and at the 4th week I got bllld drawn:
Total test: 2,648
Free test: 47
Estradiol sensitive: There was an error and they couldn't get the results??? Wtf!! However I was showing all the signs of low e2, I was using arimidex at .25 every day. I am fairly certain it was low, joints hurt, no libido, zero pimples, no oily skin, etc. company said there was a mistake and they are giving me a voucher to retest( does my no good now!)
After this test I decided to get off the arimidex and let my estradiol rise in order to feel better. Wellll 6 days later my nipples began to burn and were puffy( I had gyno surgery once I know what gyno feels like) so the very next morning I got my e2 checked and it was:
Estradiol sensitive: 45 HIGH!
So I since went to .25mg adex every other day and nipples are fine now and libido is thru the roof, little oily skin, very stable mood I feel great!!!
Couple questions!
1. Is my test number low for shooting 500 mg a week? I once heard you should multiply your dose by 10 to get the total test number(roughly) if that's the case I'm more like using only 300 mg of test?
2. I'm going to switch test brands and try out another very good brand I've used In the past, and retest the testosterone and e2 now that I changed arimidex dose. However, how long should I wait to retest my testosterone after switching brands of test???
I'm worried that say the other brand I was using was only 300 mg, and this Brand is dosed more correctly and is 500 mg a week that my adex dose will need to be higher, but not sure on how long to wait before I get blood work!!!???
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Time to get off the forums and call a plastic surgeon. You keep asking the same questions and there really is only one answer. Gyno simply will not just go away especially for an obvious super sensitive case as you. Call a doctor bro. Anything else at this point is just jerking off.
You need to PAUSE pal.
Just hang back a minute.
Ranges are merely guides. Your range is likely to be considerably more narrow than others.
You need when finished (however) your cycle, and recovered, to do bloods, to see where you re at.
Keep your blood prints, you currently have a high/on-cycle
Get a new good/on-cycle
Then when fully recovered, get a normal baseline/off-cycle.
This will give an accurate range for you.
2 things to consider:
1. You have gynecomastia - any increase in estro, will cause you to notice the gyno flare up - ONLY 1 solution for that which you already know.
2. You are likely to have either a zinc deficiency or else a high aromatase production in your body. It is likely your gyno was cuased by high levels of aromatase when younger???? If so, you might want to get that tested and see if there are solutions.
BUT - you need to get the gland removed - I once saw a surgeon youtube video where he said the whole 'leaving some gland behond to prevent concave nipples' thing was basically a load of nonsense that leaves a problem to arise in the future - might want to research this, contact a number of experts/challenge the status quo a little and find someone who may be able to give a non-scripted answer to this
Get those bloods, get that ai dialed in now, and get researching
+1 for bloods
Heres my 2 cents. Stop cycling, just stop. Signs of low AND high estro are exactly what you describe. You stop taking an ai for a week and you got gyno flare up? Then that means you were fkn high to begin with. No fkn way in all of gods creation can you go from sub teen e2 levels to full blown lumps and fatty nips in a week unless you were injecting estrogen or rubbing the cream on your balls. I know everyone is different but who told you that you were sensitive to estrogen levels? Because you FEEL like you are? Based on your forums and your replies you should stop cycling and take up a different hobby, crossfit is no pressure, maybe even bowling.
I know I am sensitive to estrogen considering I have had gynocomastia surgery... and I felt like completely shit I would bet that my estrogen was low, unfortunately for me and this forum I can't prove it was low because for whatever reason labcorp fucked up my order, however I was taking .25mg every single day, I stopped for 6/7 days and my nipples got puffy and the lumps I ALREADY have that weren't completely removed from surgery in order to prevent a concave nipple look got swollen... I'm not making this shit up lol, I aromatize a good amount of estrogen, I hopped off for a week why couldn't I go from say 10 to 45 e2 in a week? Especially with adex which has rebound effect... god I wish they didn't fuck up my bloodwork and I could have proved I went from low to high in a weeks time. I mean why would I make this shit up? I came here a forum for ppl juicing to try and simply get some help on how to dose my ai because I felt like dog shit, no libido, joints hurting, night sweats, etc etc and instead it's turned into a fuckin bullshit pissing match and me being accused of for whatever reason lying about my e2 being high and that my nipples and lumps were swollen lol I'm not tagging any sources or any names to these posts so what possible motive could I have? I mean what do I have to do to prove myself...
My issue is how fast e2 raises. Im not calling you a liar im saying 10 to 40 in 7 days is a stretch and 40 isnt even gyno territory.
The whole point is you claimed low e2 on .25 ed, you quit for a week and you hit the roof. You start taking .25 eod and magically in less then a week you feel great and e2 is under control. If you are prone to high e2 then even the endo would put you on .25 ed, besides .25 eod it would have taken longer then a week for rainbows to shoot out of your ass, you feel me homie?
WTF,
I can't believe it. I thought we would be besties forever.
Im gonna need a source for paxil now that rusty has unfriended me.
RustyhookerOp needs help. Theres many of us that have been trying but nothing is working.
The op has run test, npp, thyroid, hgh. Dozens of forums and most of them are estro issues.
I'm obviously overlooking the basis for his estro issues. With your skills, can you please help him?
Where would you start cbburr? Op Cycling for may years.
Never ran growth....
How are you helping? You told me to take up a new hobby and basically called me a liar when I've done nothing but provide bloodwork, my symptoms and everything... like wtf am I lying about???
I gave the appropriate advice.
Did you say something helpful in here somewhere?
Seemed like you were just trolling him.
The guy has a history of gyno, and over compensated with adex.
He got his bloods at week 3 or 4 and is getting his e2 dialed in.
Im here to help guys where I can. I dont have a wealth of knowledge but I understand bloods and e2.
Seriously though, i expected you to be able to handle being called a troll. I think u even called yourself a troll on here somewhere.
RustyhookerSo your advice is just go with it? Op looks like he escaped Auschwitz....but go with it?
3 years hes been posting similar forums but cant figure it out.
Your laughable at best
Wow... class act.
Exactly brother thank you, just trying to fucking dial in my ai cause I OBVIOUSLY have fucking estrogen symptoms seeing as I had the surgery once... I mean I'm doing everything I can, bloodwork, monitoring and writing down my symptoms, logging my dosages along with specific symptoms... instead I get called a liar and to take up fucking bowling and shit... like really?
Here's a question that you can answer and prove, which is actually kind of unhealthy if you can't prove it, but, how do you know for sure that you're not shut down, your lipids are trashed, and your thyroid is off? How do you not know that? And how would you prove it to us, to make us believe you're not? Can you answer that question, bro?
My bloodwork from 6 months ago at the doctors showed everything was fine. But I can't prove this very second that everything is peaches cause I only did bloodwork for test and e2
That test disnt show LH and FSH? Just curious cus I had a very simlar test done recently for test and e2 only but at the bottom it also had LH and FSH. I know all co are different . And IDK but you said earlier this thread you had 90% of the gland removed maybe that 10 left is just ultra sensitive and even tho 45 isnt hi perhaps it is enough to fuck u up. Sounds like a balancing act for sure. And if your that sensitive outside influences may be enough to throw you off
What do you need help with in regards to understanding preventative maintenance?
All I'm trying to do brother is dial in my estrogen, because having low is horrible and high sucks as well and I am gyno prone so I can't just say fuck it I'll let it get a little high... my shit has to be spot on or I feel like death and or grow tits lol
And it's a pretty safe bet that you are shut down.
From following your posts it's pretty apparent that your issues were quite probably e2 related.
Those of us that aren't prone to gyno have much greater leway on e2. I can go pretty high and still feel fine.
I've got some good bloodwork history on simple testosterone use and know how to dose my adex accordingly.
It's only when I add other shit that I find myself guessing if im in range or not.
Feather, just plan on getting bloods often.
Build your own data base. And always use pharma ai.
Thank you brother that's what I have learned, number one always use legit adex and number two pull bloods often...
RustyhookerAfter all your forums. Suggest a new hobby.
X2...or we just keep smacking him around until he gets it into his thick head...lol
am I being to mean...lol...he gonna learn today...
Because I get blood work done to dial my doses in, rather than pissing in the wind and wasting time, money, and my health? Gtfo...
If your pulling 250mg in a cc out of a vial of test then multiply 250 by .77, which would be:
250 x .77 = 192.50 you do the same for 500mg. So you're injecting 385 true milligrams secondary to loss...
I know was just wondering if test numbers looked average from pinning 500 a week
Nobody subtracts the ester weight.
We just say total mg of the compound.
When I do a 500 mg a week cycle of test e, it's 500 mg.
If it was TNE, we would know mg for mg it was stronger.
Yea but for all practical purpose knowing exactly what you're getting is better...
Then if you knew the info I posted about the conversion rate, you would have noted it and added it's a true 385mg dose, and not technically "500"! Either you know AAS, since you've been here since June 2014, or you're inexperienced and need help...be honest...that's why we're here and Eroids exists...
Nobody says I'm on 385 mg of test a week, subtracted the ester weight? I'm taking two ml of "250 test mg per ml" a week.. I just like the rest of us call it 500 a week
Well that's what it breaks down to...you don't get the full 500mg though that's for sure...besides don't deflect...You've got more going on with yourself than to debate the issue with me...
I'm not deflecting anything lol I came to here for help dialing In my adex dose for my health, sanity and to continue making gains but it turned into being called a liar about my blood work and faking gyno? Like just cause I have had surgery doesn't mean you can never get it again, you would have to remove the whole gland including the nipple, and I also have blood work like I stated I did. Figured I would get a hey good job for getting bloods and trying to figure it out instead of getting called a lair
RustyhookerYour prior half dozen posts on guesses and you finally get bloods. Gtfo...
Try knitting or dominoes. You did well what 4 years back in ebc and suddenly dont know a thing?
I got bloods from the very first one of the posts... I got bloods 10 days ago, I've just been waiting on the results. Just thought I could post on here and get some feedback but I guess not
Depends on what feedback your looking for...if you're abusing a Schedule III controlled substance and not being honest, or slacking on accountability and responsibilities regardimg bloodwork, then you're taking this forum to a whole level and we have our eyes on you...plain and simple..
Steroid abuse is bad dude..it catches up with you sooner than later
Post up the bloods then...your results are slow coming in....
Just got test and e2 done.
You need a Lipid profile and a thyroid profile, PSA, shbg, free test, female hormone panel, etc. You need to get those ASAP.
RustyhookerWith no proof of any bloods. The timing is off. The compaints are off. Going from crashed estro to gyno flare all in a week but bloods arent high in estro? And you had breast tisdue allegedly removed which then halts all further growth. Lol
Does it really appear that i was born yesterday? Its been a fun time trolling for phish though.
Woah hold up. First of all I have blood work? Second of all timing is not off, I stopped adex because my e2 was low or so I felt it was low, went to get bloodwork and they just emailed me today saying there was not Blood specimen to pull a good report I have the email... and having breast tissue removed Dow not halt all further growth? In order to take out all of the gland the nipple has to be removed... so wtf am I trolling or whatever u wanna call it? I'm a guy trying to dial in his adex dose and got bloods twice not once but twice In the same week to validate my symptoms... I don't like being called a liar...
Why the fuck would I lie about feeling like my e2 was low, going to get blood work and then Having my gyno flare up??? Wtf do I gain from that, I fucking have bloodwork showing my e2 was at 45 which is high and apparently is high enough to aggravate my gyno, which yes 90% was removed but there is still a small lump left to not have the nipple concave... so it flared. Why is it unbelievable that I can go from low estrogen, hope off adex and a week later have high e2? I have blood work showing it... well showin that it was high, and I have the email from discountedlabs stating that the e2 test the pulled they couldn't get accurate reading on...
You are just getting trolled by the rusty hooker
Walk down any marina and you are bound to see one.
Set up for trolling.
RustyhookerYou're always good for a laugh. Haha! High five!
Thats sarcasm...
"He gonna learn today..." Kevin Hart
No more flyin' under the radar for Feathers....lol
RustyhookerHigh five! He wore me out 6 forums ago.... have fun
NotNatural23Ypur e2 came back as high on the test right? about 30 or so is good for me on my test I use quest. Also what ester r u using? I was on prescription test and 3 weeks prior to test I used 1025 mgs of cyp total for those weeks.. Also was taking npp at 150mgs for joint pain with 50 mgs of Var and Prov each day. test levels were 5425. though week of test took 250 on Monday and 250 Thursday before test. So 500 mgs I would say your numbers are pretty low. quest says less than 39 for estradiol and a one 15. for male e2 range. if you are talking total estrogen serum 130 or less
He's not on npp..or var..or provi...though...so everyone is different...he is on test only
NotNatural23Test was Friday after Thursday dose.
It was estradiol sensitive, from discountedlabs. It was high cause I felt gyno flare up
NotNatural23really that iant bad then. I am sensitive to estro. Also and have to run even when I cruise. I have had e2 come back at 70 before and that's how I knew I should be running an ai or Nolva on my cruise.
Unless you are using a lab we are not familiar with I'd say your e2 is pretty well dialed in. I dose about the same with adex. good job.
The whole 10x rule is based off some studies and some Dr anecdotal evidence that used once a week pin schedules. 500 pinned once a week should yield a peak level of 5000 ng and a nadir (low) level of about 4x or 2000ng
most guys pinning twice week get in the ball park of 7x the weekly dose. Most of my bloods on 500 a week come back about 4k ng, but test around week 6
plus 2 for getting the bloods done and sharing results