posted Thu, 12/22/2011 - 04:56
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How soon 'til it kicks in?
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I recently started Winstrol (40mg ED) & (Deca/Test E @ 400mg per week). I would like to know if what I'm using is legit so that I can place a follow up order to finish out a full cycle. How soon can I expect to feel & see differences.
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Test E & C take for ever for me to know "Im on" 6-7 weeks for me.
tread-mUnless I just missed it, I don't see anything about diet. Diet to goal is the answer to any goal. The compounds in your situation will be a great help but once that metabolism begins to change you still have to dial in the proper diet to achieve the actual goal. I would say if you have not done the proper research on a specific synergistic diet for your needs put serious effort in that direction. I would also say do some research into hgh. With your situation it makes a very nice addition and actually enhances the test use dramatically by allowing a higher balance to occur in the hpga. This alone can even allow you to. Eed less test since you usually use it more efficiently.
Great advice. Thank you. I've made major changes in diet, which has led me to lose 140lbs. However, I did that using Weight Watchers, and their point system will never allow me to get enough protein and still stay within my points. I tried switching to Atkins (where sufficient protein would never be a concern), but I've read recently that insulin is an integral part of muscle growth, and the Atkins diet keeps your insulin levels low, so.... I'm back on Weight Watchers, however, I supplement my diet with 100 grams of Isopure protein. Do you have any specific suggestions?
Also, HGH sounds like it would be a perfect fit for me because of the fat-burning properties. I have neglected HGH because I'm not sure how to use it, how much to order, etc.
Thanks again for your help.
AnonI know these guys are saying 2-3 weeks on test but really 4 weeks is the more conservative benchmark.... your test for trt could be run better with 150 every week considering the best way to administer it is bi weekly in order to keep the blood level stable... the way you are doing it you have a lot of ups and downs and that alone is going to contribute to unwanted side effects. Personally, the winny is something best left to the professionals. The side effects on your liver, the raising of ldl cholesterol and lowering of hdl cholesterol, as well as the removal of estrogen from your joints make this steriod best suited for people who are going to earn something other than a nice looking body from it. Pros use winny for precompetition cutting and professional athletes use winny for strength and speed gains. They make money from it so they can pay their doctors to help them recover from the side effects. Just my .02 cents.
What stack would you recommend? I am most interested in building power & mass.
Anonquite frankly if you are running a first cycle, then simply test e.. a GREAT cycle to run afterwards is test/deca cycle.. I don't think anyone can come up with a better safer cycle to run unless of course they say to add dbol/tbol as a kick start.. in my opinion test/deca are really the only two things one absolutely NEEDs... the rest are just perks and experiments. Any compound needed for cutting is simply wasted unless of course your body fat is low enough for one to see the effects.. Anavar is a nice choice for lean mass gains but as with all orals, men can't shouldn't run them longer than six weeks. As the dosages you require contribute to liver toxicity. Keep in mind that diet plays a huge part in gains as well as training and rest.. Rest is when your muscles repair themselves.. and if you don't allow for that you might as well drink your cycle or take the money you spent and use it wipe your ass because you'll get much better use out of it.. just my opinion.. ;-)
Anonfyi you want to run your test at least 1.5 times higher than deca to avoid sides from the deca.. have your anti estrogens handy as well and proper pct to finish again money wasted with no pct ...
Is the PCT to stimulate my body's own T production? If so, won't it be wasted on my because of the primary hypogonadism? Unfortunately, I will never again make my own...sniff sniff.
Thank you for the info regarding Winstrol. I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate the input.
From reading your stats I'm assuming you have a significant amount of bodyfat. Winstrol will not benefit you at all, leave it out.
Additionally, the more bodyfat the higher the aromatisation from the compounds. You should probably diet before running anything.
I've already lost 140 lbs. I've hit a major plateau and that's why I got back into the weight room. I'm already doing cardio, so I started to lift weights.
AnonThanks man I need to know I am not giving some 22 year old guy a thumbs up to fuck up his NAT for the rest of his life.
As JT stated the Deca is slow and won't kick until after the Test which you feel about 3 weeks.
I would have ran the Winny towards the end when you had the long ester hormones in full bloom to increase its effective fat burning characteristics.
How long are you running this?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI would like to go 8 to 12 weeks, but I'm open to input, but I don't want to spend the $$$ until I know that my gear is gtg.
AnonAnything less than 12 weeks of Deca is just a waste man.
AnonNo age, no stats, no help.
Sorry. I'm 40 years old, six feet tall and weight 281 lbs. I spent a lot of time in the weight room in my twenties and six months ago decided to get back into the gym. I'm on TRT at 300mg every two weeks (in addition to what I referenced in the original post).
AnonYou are actually at 700mgs/week on Test?
550 per week. 400 of Lixus Deca + Test E. and 150mg per week is from the doctor as TRT.
Keep in mind that I am totally dependent on store-bought testosterone, so it's not as though I making any of my own in addition to what I take.
AnonAlways count ALL mgs.
AnonI like your stores......lol
Jtizzle2-3 weeks on Test.. deca is a long one bro. gonna take a while on it