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What will thin my face (opposite of bloat)?

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Well I’m on test c 300mg pw with an AI but I’m bloated as hell. It’s my 3rd cycle, diet is good. Want to try something new. Anything that will avoid the bloat or have the complete opposite effect ?

Drask88's picture

How’s the diet? 300mg isn’t anything crazy. I’m not convinced it’s high estro.

You say your diet is good, how much sodium and carbs are you eating? Are you keeping track?

finmick's picture

Diet consists of eggs and toast in morning. Only other carb is rice in the evening with chicken. Also eat fruit and high protein yogurt

SimonM84's picture

You eating high sodium?

CRAZY DOSER's picture

Bro, if you try something new with this approach, you'll just end up with more side effects again.
It might be better to properly manage your cycle. Since issues like these during CYPIONATE and AI suggest that you have issues with cycle management.

finmick's picture

I know there’s lots of good advice heeled that I have seen most of already but it’s good to be reminded. Another query / and don’t shoot me for this -

Does Telismartan have a role here - for example lowering sodium levels

Rosschestzip's picture

Inject more frequently, lowers the dose of test, increase the AI, get bloodwork, try a low dose diuretic(stay hydrated) go on a diet, less carbs and sodium especially before bed, start some cardio. Try some natural diuretics like dandelion root and there’s a few others you can usually find them ina blend together.

I’m not saying do all of these things but they’re just a list of things that can help

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bigred250's picture

You always have some great feedback to help these ppl

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finmick's picture

Thanks. Any view on Telmisartan?

Jaxattax86's picture

Telvis plus is Telmisartan-Hydrochlorothiazid. The added Hydrochlorithiazid in the telvis plus in addition to telmisartan is an added diuretic. Maybe that’ll help?

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V0411's picture

Post up a Pic for us to see, it could just be your eyes, also what is your pinning schedule once twice three times a week. Also one that people tend to look past is alcohol consumption and pot use. Do you aromatize easily because 300 is a pretty low dose for needing an AI. I agree with the low dose diuretic method you could even do a cleanse. Walmart has that green tea pill and 14day acai berry flush, it works great to get the nasty sludge and bloating gone. Keeping your water intake right and cardio in check will help big time with blood pressure and sweating out the extra water. Also body fat, when I'm above 15% my body holds on to that shit, but I take bipolar and insomnia meds now and smoke pot too so it's a battle ha. You could always give proviron a try, it will help keep you tight and the anobolics will become more synergistic

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Rosschestzip's picture

Ya for sure that could help. Do you know your blood pressure now? Also it does have some effect on water and sodium, I’m not sure of the actual mechanism of action but it definitely has a diuretic like effect

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bigred250's picture

The leaner I am the better by jawline looks. It might be time for a 4 week mini cut?

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Jockstrap's picture

Do these guns make my ass look fat?

Its psychosomatic bro.

DeeMan's picture

Post those guns up Rusty cause we can't tell.

ChuckThaDuck22's picture

You know those jaw strengthener kits? They sell shit like that on Temu, no joke with a little weight loss and lowering of the estrogen you should chisel out..

Ps: I don’t know why 300mg a week would have you aromitise to the point of needing an AI, you don’t have your bloodwork for e2? What’s the number at ,, very important we know what a dose of adex will do because it’s a delicate balance to get dialed in..

Cardio, more water, less sodium, estrogen control, that in itself is project for change ..

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Chad P's picture

We have to take in account that everyone is different. A member recently posted up bloods of 1600+ off 160mg per week and also had high E2. There is no set in stone formula for how the body metabolizes or level per dosage. I see most ppl in the range of 5/6:1. Some more and some less.

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ChuckThaDuck22's picture

I’d love to be one of those hyper responders, my last trt lab work is a bit fucked though, very low on trough .. I don’t even want to re hash it but yeah kinda disappointing.

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DeeMan's picture

Yeah it can be a bit different for some folks

Rosschestzip's picture

Dude I’ve learned there’s some guys that are cursed and need AI at like 120mgs a week!!! I didn’t believe them at first but now I’ve seen a couple guys with it. It’s defiantly rare at that low of a dose but I’ve seen it with guys at 150 so I’d believe it at 300 too. But you’re right he’ll def need bloodwork and if he does need AI at that dose he’ll probably always be struggling to get that right balance. I don’t envy these guys

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ChuckThaDuck22's picture

Then again he stated he already takes the AI,, well what’s the AI dose man, if you could give us that , the fellas who really dial in well could at least ballpark something for you to go off of.
@finmick

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finmick's picture

1mg letro per week

Rosschestzip's picture

That could be part of the problem. Letro is best for gyno because it’s more effective in the tissue. Also you can have a rebound effect, so possibly because your dose is so far apart you could be rebounding a little bit at the end of every week.

Either way I would switch to arimidex /Anastrozole or aromasin/exemestane. Or in the meantime you could try splitting the dose up into two times a week. Bloodwork is gunna be your best bet here

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V0411's picture

@Rosschestzip, oof ya metro can be gnarly, when I was using 600mg test 500 deca I used .5mg like every 2 weeks. I definetly prefer aromasin, less harsh than retro and adex IMO and works a little better.

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Rosschestzip's picture

Ya I have adex on hand and occasionally will take one if I need it but I feel like, either the ones I have are underdosed or they just don’t really work for me

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ChuckThaDuck22's picture

I only have experience with adex , if it’s not working you up it . You crash your estro, have dbol lying around that’s a good fix.

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ChuckThaDuck22's picture

Okay so I can attest, when I was super lean before
I did my time I could rock out with no AI on a gram of test,

I come home and my 200mg dose has me taking .5 adex a week,

Throw dbol to the mix and I need 1mg a day with 50mg dbol, shit sucks , might lower the dbol dose and add Drol and hope for synergy and reduced estrogen

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Rosschestzip's picture

Ya the leaner you are the less estrogen is an issue. Super lean chicks won’t even get their periods

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ChuckThaDuck22's picture

I’m all for a female looking athletic and cut up but the ideal is someone I can grab ahold of and just feel all the curves off, the titties super soft and lush, I don’t wanna be cuddled up to @wanted when I’m with my ladies

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Hey hey i only cuddle naked cause i can usually slide it in the second time @ChuckThaDuck22

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Oh you’re a gentleman? You buy me steak dinner before anal too?

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Rosschestzip's picture

Hell ya man, my favorite build/body ima chick is like average weight but very soft like maybe even a couple pounds heavier than average. Basically a young single mother lol. The pregnancy makes everything all soft lmao

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ChuckThaDuck22's picture

My ex was 12 years my elder, sexy little short Irish strawberry blonde, just a plain looking mom honestly , cleanest pussy I’ve ever been around it’s a shame it was a bit loose.

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