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Deca Based Cycle - Deca / Var / HGH - Avoid water bloat

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I am planning on a long term low dose Deca cycle. Main reason for Deca is it's hairsafe. I won't run test as it makes my hair fall out. The only thing is that I am prone to water bloat, especially in the face and abdomen, so I wonder if running Anavar alongside this will help things? I have had good experience using Var in the past. I will also add HGH to this cycle but I know this won't necessarily help bloat, but I want it for skin and hair benefits.

Any other AAS / SARM / peptide / ancillary you might recommend to keep bloat down?

Bearded_muscle's picture

Fin post up current stats, cycle history, and goals.

I’m happy to help and have done multiple Deca only cycle but we need to make sure this is actually the right call.

Pros: fairly hair safe, solid libido, good gains and strength, pretty much full day pump since you’re on 24/7 with decanote ester seeping slow and steady

Cons: you have to run a metric shit ton to make enough estrogen to keep other bodily systems in check. Like 2-3 grams a week (from my blood work). One way to sidestep this is to add 50-100 mgs of test e or c a week just for estrogen conversion basically. Also amyloid plaque development. Deca (all 19 Nors it seems) accelerate this.

dmxinyourface's picture

You can use some p5p or bromocriptine or even caber. But as you going for low dose I don't think you will need. I would never ever do deca without test. Thats a deca dick garantee. I find adding some primo to deca is very beneficial. Plus both are super safe. But primo can thin the hair...dose dependant and sensitivity as well.

SeeOhShow's picture

Var is a DHT derivative. Aka the side of the steroid family that is more likely to give hair loss. Also, all gear will expedite hair loss if you have the MPB gene. Some may just do it so bad that you notice it more easily. Look at it more like this - “X is more hair safe than Y.” Deca is relatively hair safe not absolutely hair safe.
Maybe you should just not run gear if you’re that concerned with hair loss? Perhaps you could just do HCG or enclomiphene (not clomid) to boost your natural production and run HGH at 5-8 IU/day with it.

FWIW (which isn’t much), I personally think a cycle of just low dose deca is a bad idea in both the short term and long term.

Jockstrap's picture

I wouldnt run var or deca. Npp imo is better. Anadrol too

finmick's picture

Anadrol tends to add water, right?

CHIMAIRA75's picture

Nope! He's 100% on point. I just finished an NPP and Anadrol cycle(test, Masteron, and Ment kicker as well). Threw on a couple lbs and came out leaner at the end than going in. If your diet is dialed in, you'll be fine. Your diet is shit, that's what you'll get in the end.

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Jockstrap's picture

Fun cycle! All day pump and then the gym is off the hook

CHIMAIRA75's picture

Fuck yeah brother! Balls out!

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Jockstrap's picture

Only if diet is crappy. Are you cutting for spring of adding raw mass? If youre heading into spring look at makwas dhb cycle forums. Dry, lean and simple.

Water cutters. Keep estro 40-50. Vit c 1500mg split daily. Asparagus. Dandylion. Hydrat properly.

finmick's picture

more of a slow lean bulk i am looking for. I will cruise. DHB ain't hairsafe though?

pingree24's picture

Look at it like this.. you're 42 most guys are already bald or balding.. we're old bro, it's OK for that shit too thin a bit. It's not like you're 24yrs old.

Buy some Finasteride and get some size on!!!

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Jockstrap's picture

Downside is finasteride that blocks dht while youre using dht because dht is awesome on cycle. Its like paying for the boom to not get the boom while fearing what you bought and not questioning why? Or crashing estrogen to wonder why nothing on cycle works outta fear estrogen will erupt.

pingree24's picture

This is true!! +1 sir. I'm glad I've never had a hair issue

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Jockstrap's picture

We cant beat genetics but we can chemically fight. Smile

finmick's picture

Yeah I have lost a lot through various cycles. Am I right in thinking that AAS won't make hairloss any worse than someone with just MPB, the only difference is that it speeds up the process?

pingree24's picture

If you've got the gene I would assume it would speed up the hair loss process. Dht conversion is a bitch bro. I'm pretty lucky I'm 40 and been on aas for around 14 yrs and I've still got a good amount of hair so far lol.

Just grow a beard and shave that shit!!

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finmick's picture

so that is the point of the DECA or NPP - no DHT, it is DHN that results from Nandrolones

SeeOhShow's picture

It’s not as simple as that. All steroids have anabolic components and androgenic components. You’ve seen the ratios described or discussed? Or people describing how androgenic vs anabolic compounds are compared to each other. Androgenic side effects are the acne, oily skin, prostate enlargement, hair loss, etc. Androgenic alopecia. Nandrolone has a very high anabolic to androgenic ratio which is why people love it for muscle building. Yes it’s much lower in its androgenic rating than testosterone, but it does still have it.

I’m not saying nand will/wont make you shed, so don’t use it. Just expounding on the science of it.

DeeMan's picture

@finmick the problem with nandrolone is a bit of it is converted by 5ar enzyme into Dihydronandrolone, which is even less androgenic than nandrolone. Now this has no affect on hair shedding or isn't known to at least.

Jockstrap's picture

If your hair scared tgen steroids is not for you. Nizerol shampoo. Or stick to hgh and good foods. 212 is a solid weight so you can be natural and get the shape you want.

DeeMan's picture

Don't be skerrrked!

Jockstrap's picture

Nope. Test npp masteron e with drol pulsed. I can shave when i look like golem. Haha

DeeMan's picture

Golem is not even human! Gorilla body

Jockstrap's picture

Masteron adds fur to ears and back like crazy!
Pass the banana. No homo. Haha

finmick's picture

well I got by fine on a Var only cycle a few years ago. No hairloss