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+ 2 Reading, reading, rethinking

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Okay so I really felt I had it figured out after watching years of YouTube, people like Vigorous Steve and MPMD. Days of trolling this site and learning from those who have come before me has been humbling and I realized I was being cocky and overconfident.
I have collected test e, primo e, anavar, aromasin, roloxefine, cialis, DIM and calcium d glucarate.
I have not definitively decided whether to blast and cruise or pct, but I have also sourced hcg, clomid and nolvadex. I'm only 28 but my natural production has been mediocre, recently testing at 360ng/dl while on a good diet, good sleep, tongat Ali, fedogia agresis, zinc, magnesium, fasted etc
I initially planned to start test e at 125mg a week and take 10mg Var pre-workout. It's been driven home to me that I should stick to single compound for this first go around.
My question is now, should I bother taking a few weeks or a month at a trt dose, or just go straight to 250mg a week/.25ml 4x a week? Either for 20 weeks and pct or 20 weeks and drop down to 125-150mg/week trt.
Also any information regarding sources in Canada (add me, dm me!) and getting bloods in Canada is appreciated. I've dealt with a naturopath office which can get me blood panels but it's costly.

bigred250's picture

Watch this 15 min video by Chase Irons: https://youtu.be/Tg6hj7xWRwY

Thankfully my first cycle was 250 test for 16 weeks and some LGD the last 8 weeks. If I could go back however, I would apply what Chase speaks about in the video. Apply this mindset and get bloods done and see how your body reacts. After a year decide if it’s worth the hype.

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Scrawny-to-not's picture

Sadly marek doesn't do Canada.
Thanks for the reply, every little bit helps.
I'm quite gyno prone, have some from smoking weed during puberty/puberty itself, so I'm very conscious of keeping my blood serum concentrations stable and keeping that estrogen in check!

Jockstrap's picture

Research masteron and run it at half your testosterone dose.

Scrawny-to-not's picture

Don't want to lose all my hair haha also concerns about masterons negative effects on bloods.

press1's picture

Lets not beat about the bush here, a Beginner level cycle has always been Test E at 500mg/wk. Not more and not less - its been like that for years because thats the level that gets you good results and will enable you to see how you tolerate the compound at a higher than natural level. By all means drop the level if you like to 400 or 300mg per week, but I've never known anyone do this yet on their first cycle as they enjoy it so much. What normally happens over a number of cycles is guys who don't tolerate Test well will drop it down a notch, while incorporating another Oil based compound and often an oral to level it all up a little. Run that for 16 weeks by itself. Its then up to you if you fully PCT or go TRT.

Scrawny-to-not's picture

I'm nervous as hell about going up to 500mg, I have decent hair and clear skin, but I have pre existing gyno from puberty and I do not want to trigger it. I have lots of estrogen control on hand but I'm aware of the risks of crashing e2 as well. Hence the cautious approach, and in the future when I find my sweet spot for Test I'll add primo and var.
Thank you for the reply.

Brolly6898's picture

Your skin will go too shit when u do pct or at least break out .
I did pct once at your age and never again after I broke out with cyctic acne so at 40yrs old now I'm on t.r.t and never break out I also cruise on Masterson for life 200mgs a week keeps estrogen away and u don't damage your joints with those A.i.s arimidex aromasin ect.
I would do test e 250 mgs
Mast e 200 mgs a week

Scrawny-to-not's picture

I thought masteron was ruthless on hair and bloods?

Brolly6898's picture

I think primo shreds the hairline but it's all genetic
Bloods always came back good
100-200mgs mast e will be much better than those anti estrogen that fuck up your joints and cholesterol

press1's picture

Aahh Sorry then mate - I think I jumped the gun a bit there.

I read it as you wanted to do a first cycle with you mentioning 250mg Test per/wk but then on re reading its more along the lines of TRT. Personally if it were me here, I would begin at 175mg/wk and then get bloodwork done to see where my levels are all at and leave the Anavar alone as it will skew results a little.

HENCH500's picture

Second what 23Sparta said +1 from me

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23Sparta's picture

+1 you have a good head on your shoulders and are choosing to go about this the right way. I can appreciate that, respect