First legit cycle advice?
So I've recently ordered 4 250 mg per ml vials of test c. I've only ever done rad 140 before and I got good results from ten mg a day and it didn't seem to affect me negatively (kept all my gains even though I wasn't really ready for a cycle.) Now I feel I'm ready, I'm 33 years old and have decent size from about 6 years of lifting.
So here's the plan
250 mg twice every week for 16-20 weeks. I have aromasin and nolva ordered as well and also mk 677. I plan on taking the mk the duration of the cycle.
Nolva for pct or gyno flair up. 10/10/10/10 is what I've heard and supposedly it works as well as 20. I'm going to be starting this within the next two weeks. Dialing everything in in the meantime and trying to get in the routine of doing everything the way I should on cycle ie diet, rest, eating more and eating clean. I've also ordered tudca.
If anyone has a better way to do this to maximize results and minimize sides please let me know because I'm new to this, just trying to gather as much information as possible. Thank you!
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Thanks dude!
Like you I've seen different information on both clomid and nolva effective dosages so I can see why some folks would somewhat be confused. At the end of the day recovery is the main concern though. Good luck
Thanks, I'm going to stay on the safe side and just order more nolva. Better to buy extra than not enough. One more bottle should be enough
The majority of guys on here don't PCT but they're on TRT. I've always done PCT though. Get bloods and update. Good deal
Research and you will have a fun simple cycle. Keep us updated
Will do, I might postpone it a little longer just to make sure I have enough of everything I need before I start. That way nothing comes late and screws things up. I'm apparently going to need more nolva
If cycles is your plans for a while then find real pharma pct and buy extras. Extra gear too. Nolva does more than pct as it can block estrogen receptors if emergency arises. Ai is something for many cycles if/when needed. It wont go to waist. Its good to see youre planning well. Too many yolo kids out there.
Lol, well in my younger days I probably wouldn't have researched but I'm 33 now and a lot wiser. I was planning on taking nolva if gyno sides arise.
You should run blood test week end of 4 or beginning week 5. Nolva blocks but ai is better choice. Plus how you react to testosterone creates a map for all future cycles.
Is there a good way to get a doctor to order the bloods? Everything I've seen online wants to charge me like two hundred dollars. I'm not going to waive the blood work though because it's the best way to know what to do and how I'm responding. I've read it's just gambling with all your gains and health to not get at least two sets of bloods but preferably three
Quest and privatemdlabs offer full screens for under 100. Dont involve a dr or you can risk losing your insurance as high risk illicit drug user. I use both quest and private and it rskes a minute to scroll and find the female hormone panel. Same blood test as male for around 80. And testosterone uncapped for real results.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/blood-testing-resourc...
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/when-to-test-bloods
https://www.privatemdlabs.com/tests?q=hormone+panel+men&view=search_resu...
Is the men's hormone light test good or do I need more than that? If not sufficient could you please tell me which one to add or which general one to get? I really appreciate everyone taking their time to be helpful and informative. I've learned a lot just from this thread
Lite caps at 3000 testosterone and only covers 1/8 of the otut her tests per links above. Much more info plus uncapped testosterone
Good info JR
Awesome --
33 huh? Well you'll get even wiser. Hey alot of guys don't know the difference between an ai and a serm. Good to see that you do lol.
Yeah that's the plan, gain knowledge and size lol
Ole JockRust( @Jockstrap) has both knowledge and size. He and I both know lol
As far as recovery it all depends really. Amount of gear used and amount of time are factors.
Rethink that PCT. You won't recover with that.
What would you advise
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
40 for two weeks seems really high, aren't there bad sides with that high of a dose?
Yea that's the old protocol. Yep pretty high. Clomid does have a tendency to mess with emotions too.
Which one are you saying is the old protocol? The 40-40-20-20 or the 20-20-10-10?
I'm taking nolva not clomid.
40 is old protocol and it has worked, I've never used that protocol though. But man you gotta do what works for you cause this recovery phase is serious business.
I'm going to just take the advice of people who have much more experience than me. That's probably a safe way to go because I know this isn't something to take lightly
For sure
I see your cycle is at 20 weeks. So length of time will be a factor for sure. The longer you are on the more suppression
Suppression leads to shutdown..two different issues.
I've reconsidered the 20 week thing. Gonna do 12 maybe 14 if everything is ok. I realized I should just be testing the waters right now and wait to go any deeper in.
Yea most do 12 for first cycle. No need to go 20. But focus on recovery as much as you focus on gains. Without recovery gains won't be maintained for long.
Absolutely, I'm not planning on overtraining. Most important is diet and rest. I know I'll have a bit higher recovery so might add an extra day of cardio
Most tolerate nolva just fine. some can have some issues with clomid but I would rather endure something for 2wks then not have a successful recovery and have a fried HPTA with low testosterone for the rest of my life.
Yeah that's very true. 20 for four weeks won't cut it either? I'll have to order more if it's absolutely necessary to take forty to not be permanently shutdown. i knew this was going to be expensive but didn't quite understand exactly how much lol.
What about ai inhibitor should I continue that into pct or strictly during cycle if I get sides
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to Learn everything before cycle so I don't waste it or mess myself up.
That is a standard PCT protocol for a reason, because it works. Start deviating from that and try at your own risk. You stop your AI when you take your last shot for cycle. Since you no longer are injecting test your estro levels will be dropping also so no need for additional AI. Keep taking ai and run the risk of crashing estro which will cause a negative feedback loop in itself and impede recovery. Aromasin is also a suicide inhibitor so you won't have any chance for estro rebound.
That's why I picked aromasin, I don't want a bunch of estrogen hitting me all at once. Sounds awful.
Everything I've read has said 20-20-10-10 although that was reddit so they're very possibly wrong.
Stay off of reddit
Lol I've realized I'm getting misinformation on there.
I would drop the MK if I were you. 500mg of test would be a great first cycle, and reap some really good gains, especially if you’ve been training for six years. Test alone will give you a chance to see how your body reacts to that much test without anything else in the mix that would cloud your results. Save the Mk For a future cycle. By then, you may realize there are much better oral options out there that will help you draw the results you really desire. What’s most important is training, diet, and rest. Those are the things you really need to focus on and you’ll be very happy with your results at the end of your cycle.
The whole reason I got the mk is to help with sleep. I've heard a bunch of people say they get inspired and I don't want to mess up my cycle by not being able to sleep. Lol. How many weeks do you think I should stay on cycle? Because I have heard 12 16 and 20 so I don't know which to go with but leaning towards 12.
Ive usually seen first cycles go 12-14 weeks.
Nah, man, who told you that? Testosterone never affected my sleep, even at 600mg per week. If you can’t sleep on testosterone, you need to train harder at the gym. There are a lot of other compounds that can definitely affect your sleep, I’ve never found Test to be one of them. That MK is an alternative to HGH from what I hear, and can also boost your hunger, although with all do respect, I’ve never even entertained it because the benefits to HGH are the real deal, so why bother with MK. Just my opinion
I could see someone having some sleep trouble on maybe a high dose of test. Central nervous system just getting fried and taxed could maybe cause insomnia??
I just ordered some mk, not for the gh type benefits but just for the appetite to help me get more food down. If it doesn’t increase my appetite then I won’t even take it. I’d rather just do the real gh
I wish I had that problem, LOL. I can eat like a horse, but have been very strict for the past few months, finally.
Wish I had your appetite
I could but it would have to be like fast food and takeout all day, other then that I have a hard time eating. It’s more about time and cooking and all that, but I’m thinking that if I was just starving all the time then I would be way less likely to be skipping meals.
I thought about mk for appetite because I do have appetite issues every now and then. But with these so called peptides I tend to stay away because I don't know too much about them.