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+ 13 When to test bloods?

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The joy of Eroids is members helping members. This place was created as a spot where SOURCES are held accountable. Meaning that reviews, si chat, forums is where we can learn who has the best, safest gear/hgh.

Anyone here long enough knows there will be fakers on both sides and sometimes they work together in order to convince members that 'all is fire here'. So how do we know for OURSELVES ?

1- We learn how to read forums, watch si pages, and try to see which members are reliable.

https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/first-time-buyers-a...

2- BLOODS BLOODS BLOODS!! You cant beat science. Point blank. Your body will react in a very specific way that is uniquely you. Getting the BEST growth is knowing your gym, foods and bloods. Estro, prolactin, rbc, liver, kidneys..etc etc etc

https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/various-topics/privatemdlabs...

BUT WHEN DO WE TEST?????

On enth/cyp the vets have been boasting mid/end 4th week. Not bro-science but scientific fact. Quick reference is seen by folks that needed Dr prescribed TRT. Come back in 4 weeks to check/adjust. Dr really gives no reason nor explains why....

BUT WHY? YOU SAID SCIENCE!!

True true.....so lets look at prior vets posts, backed by science.

Picture 1

https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/maximizing-cycles

Picture 2

https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/how-do-different-este...

If you click on picture or can expand it on your phone you can see day 28 (week 4) is nearly to max level concentration. Day 35 is roughly AT max level peaks.

So mid week 4 has you roughly at max peak. Yes, it rises slightly at day 35(week 5) but were not just interested in max peaks per se. An uncapped test will show us the totals...WHICH WE WANT. BUT were also looking at e2 and in a bigger picture, maximizing our growth.

Short Esters-----this has been hotly debated because theres old lists based on halflife describing prop as 4.5 days. Its flat wrong! Based on parent hormone and esters attached. Prop is falling off the cliff at 48 hours. Calling on ed or eod pins to maintain those peaks and avoid the valleys. Testing a short ester cycle has always held a mid second week standard even though props dead in 48hrs. WHY? Because again were not just interested in test peak but with a faster peak, theres a faster rise in e2 as well. Its been common among all members somewhere mid 2nd or beginning 3rd to assess that e2.

Guru Tread explains prop---i will find his forum soon...

https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/what-is-the-ave...

Note based on science---- low/crashed e2 halts gains. Too much e2 and we get the sides we watch for like sadness, lethargy, water retention above normal, etc etc. NOW the bad news. Low e2 causes sadness, lethargy, and other symptoms of e2 thats high. The 2 differences ive noticed is low e2 my joints are sore and high e2 my forehead feels like crisco. More bad news....some compounds can do the same.

https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/do-you-have-estro-issues

E2 between 25-52 is a good typical level. Some can go higher as they understand their body as mapped by blood tests and experience. But were looking at averages here Smile

Use SCIENCE to figure it all out!! Get tested!

this is the important part as a member run website.

How do we decipher out the good, bad, and ugly? Well if source A looks great and 2 members post bloods as proof, we get excited! But what if those 2 werent honest? EASY! This is why this entire post is created. More tests posted!. Every lab on earth has had good/bad lots. Or variances in doses to be correct. More testing lets BOTH members and sources see those errors. More tests erases those cheats and outliars. If 15 test with cyp/enth from various members show a good range and a troll pops up with 1200 on 500mg....WE KNOW whos full of it. And better than that.... IT FORCES LABS to be consistant. So YOU get what you paid for!!

In the big picture its up to us to keep eachother updated. Hope you enjoyed or learned a lil bit. This site is full of learning, sharing and knowledge.

More info and links to be posted...DONT thumbs up me...look at the links and appreciate the vets here. Be safe!

edits

Tren falsifies estro readings. Everyone should read ALL megaT883 forums on blood

https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/update-2what-blood-te...

IronMind's picture

I agree with Test Prop being 48hrs max, hell back in the day we used to preach ED injection with it for a reason! I notice with EOD inj even it can fluctuate and isn't as stable. I personally like Test Phenyl-Prop because it seems stable in the 3-5 day range. IMO, it's underrated and probably a better pick for those that can't handle the pin ED, and newbs shouldn't go full Rambo pinning everyday until they're used to it. The tappering also hits a home run because we all know too well of the people who suffer at the end of a cycle. Kick start/tappering down is def a good way to avoid those cliffs. Good post brother!

HailRazor's picture

Good info. Appreciate that. I’ve been doing Test P / slin pin injects for years now. Normally 50mg daily but that changes time to time. I’m going look into Phenyl-Prop

Makwa's picture

Wish more sources carried TPP. Very hard to find.

HailRazor's picture

Old skool (OG) did…..but he’s been ghost….it’s common in the APIs….just not so much on the UGLs menus…..(Testolent)

Rustyhooker's picture

Yessir! Excellent points!

press1's picture

I Agree bud on both counts, Phenyl prop is a great compound & its a shame more labs don't make it and Prop is defo for everyday pinning. In the early days when I did it EOD along with tren ace I would always wonder why I felt so shit the day after the pinning day.

Egalkeb's picture

Damn one of the best posts I have seen on here! Thanks for all this, bookmarked!

Rustyhooker's picture

Humbled sir.....thank you

dwayne44's picture

Damn you definitely hit a home run on this one Hooker. I don't know alot but I do know science and you are right on it. I agree Test prop isn't a 4.5 day half life, rather 48 hours. Test E and C isn't 7-10 days, but 4.5-5.5 day half life. I have no damn idea where those off number even came from. Hell if you are in tuned with your body you feel test prop fall off in 48 hours and test e fall off in 4 to 5 days. But yea can't beat science and I'm with ya as far as holding srcs accountable

Rustyhooker's picture

Lab tests in perfect environment and pin location. Less vascular area will hold that bolus longer. I used to have link from med sites showing dissipation by location. It was a cool chart too!

dwayne44's picture

O yea..no doubt. I don't recommend sub q but that's one of its qualities...less blood flow in adipose tissue, prolonging hormone release from the ester because less blood flow. So yea dissipation from oil depot is slower. Now with that being said you will have lower blood levels which u know already know. It's just a lower sustained release that's all. Lol we can't have it both ways though. Again bro good info and if anyone argues against this I don't know what to say

Rustyhooker's picture

Lol...they will return. Broken. But they always return.

Swolder84's picture

@Rustyhooker “please sir, may I have some more” (extends empty bowl) haha

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Rustyhooker's picture

Hahahaha!!!! On point

Swolder84's picture

A lot of great information here, and at the touch of a button! Very informative, and a great place for people to start learning!

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Rustyhooker's picture

Will keep everyone up to date on current gear quality

Swolder84's picture

Great way to help not only keep sources honest, but to help keep members safe as well.

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Rustyhooker's picture

Amen big bro!

GATORNATION's picture

Great post and very informative.

Rustyhooker's picture

Ive got a few tidbits to add still but hopefully it helps others. Thank you

UncleYoked's picture

@BFG @Greg This one is worth a sticky.

Rustyhooker's picture

Thank you!

Rustyhooker's picture

@UncleYoked first stickie!!! Woooo

UncleYoked's picture

I'm going to add a direct link to this post on my site as well in a new section for cycle questions.
It's very thorough and well written, good job brother

Rustyhooker's picture

Wow.....speechless
Thank you!

UncleYoked's picture

Next, ruthless admin!

Big Tone36's picture

Good post.

Rustyhooker's picture

We all love our favorite sources and this is a way to show and prove. Helps everyone!

Thank you!

Big Tone36's picture

Yep, true statement. That's why I like to do my tests on gear from the one's I do biz with. I've done quite a few testosterone test but Lately for me it's been GH, I feel this is important because of the cost of such a product, and we all want to know if the GH were using is up to par or not

Rustyhooker's picture

Fully 100% agree! An $80 test for peace of mind is invaluable. And numbers can vary from batch to batch so its just flat important just to keep up.

Huge misnomer in UGL as example is lot numbers. Buy label at 1000 but that might be 50 batches...all different in dose. Variations.

Makwa's picture

Thanks Rusty. Graphs really hit it home.

Rustyhooker's picture

I sure miss cry havok. Was a good member.