posted Wed, 09/07/2016 - 15:16
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Hey old farts...have a quick question. I'm currently doing 1 1/2 cc's of test ent 300 every 7-10 days as a HRT regiment. I had my blood work done last month, and my test levels came back at 868 (ng/dL). On the high range for a someone in my age range. My question is, if I increase the dosing frequency (1 1/2 cc's every 5 days), it that would elevate my levels dramatically?
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Hey MedDx. Here is some of the info you requested.
PSA (Total) ng/mL 1.3 0.1-3.9
TSH ulU/mL 3.44 0.27-4.20
T3 (free) pg/mL 3.3 >19 years 2.0-4.4
T3 (reverse) ng/dL 13 8-24
Estradiol pg/mL 101.3 Men 7.63-42.6
Testosterone ng/dL >1500 Men 280-800
Lab notes: Unable to calculate free testosterone
Greater than 1500 is quite a bit more than 868.
TSH is in range, but high in range,....... something in the 1.0 - 2.0 would be better, I've seen high 3's and low 4's and life really sucks in that range.
ETA: You may be trying to substitute one hormone (testosterone) for another hormone (thyroid), I've tried that approach, it will help a little, but won't last long.
What did your lipid profile, PSA, shbg, Thyroid profile, free test and estradiol reveal?
Can you post an unidentifiable pic?
Finally...an answer I can live with. Thank's Greg, for taking the time to lay out the math. As far as when I take it (7-10) range, this is solely based on my schedule. I travel a lot, and its not always convenient to take an injection on a particular day. That is why I say 7-10 days I have never went longer than 10 days, and in most instances, it has been every 7 days (maybe a 8-9 day stuck in there once and a while also). I assumed that there would be an increase in my levels, though I never anticipated a 50% increase. If you want to call it a "cruising", that's fine by me. I like the overall feeling I have and the gains I'm getting in the gym, so for me, this is what I will continue with from now on. If guys are happy with a lower Dr prescribed amount, then good for them.
First off, you should not use the term TRT or HRT for self prescribed regimens. It confuses the matter in a forum such as this. Some of us old farts are truly on prescribed TRT and we are not bodybuilders nor do we intend or pretend to be. You are in fact cruising. Even if you don't want to call it that, that's what we call it here. Get used to it.
Therefore, your question is not a "TRT QUESTION"
Second, TRT is not meant to get your levels higher than normal. My doctor likes to try and keep me around the 600-800 range.
You already admit that your levels are 868, "on the highside for someone your age".
So why up the dose?
Third, in spite of your 30 odd years of using performance enhancing drugs and pro bodybuilding you don't seem to be able to do the simple math it takes to plan a cycle. So let me see if I can help you out with my very limited experiance in half lives, and basic math.
You are currently using 1.5cc of 300 mg test-e I'll say every 9 days because you apparently don't keep good track of it yourself (which is it? 7,8,9,or 10 days? That's a big range not to know-or care)
1.5cc every 9 days, after 12 weeks you'll use 15mg of test.
1.5cc every 5 days, after 12 weeks you'll use 25.5mg of test.
With an injection every 9 days, after day 48, your levels will even out at an equivalent of a 3mg effective daily dose at your peak (just after your shot), sliding to about 2mg daily dose at your low (just before your next shot).
With an injection every 5 days, after day 48, your levels will even out at an equivalent of a 5mg effective daily dose at your peak (just after your shot), sliding to about 4mg daily dose at your low (just before your next shot).
So yes, that is a dramatic increase. A 50% increase.
Your blood levels could be in the 1300 range with that increase (presuming 868 + 50% is "good math" when translating milligrams of exogenous test to ng/dl blood levels)
I think the Mods need to start a new forum titled :
I'm a DumbAss Who is Running a Continuous Cycle.
Well KMC...you don't know me, or anything about me! I checked your stats, and at 6' 185lbs...I'm not impressed! And I seriously doubt you have ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage. You don't sound like you have the balls to do a "full blown" cycle!!! Regardless...of course, I know that increasing the dosing schedule of my test should increase my levels. I was merely asking if others thought it would be a significant increase. Maybe I should have worded it differently, but I didn't think I would be dealing with a dumb ass as yourself! And my 30+ years of steroids pertained to (as you would word it), full blown cycles. I'm relative new to HRT (low dose test year around). And as far as docking me karma points...you can kiss my ass. I'm going to call it like it is, and if you think "docking" me points is going to change that, you are more stupid than I thought! Now...take some more points, butt crust!!!
1) News Flash,.........EROIDS is NOT a bodybuilding website.
2) This is the TRT section of EROIDS.
KMC...okay, I agree this is an amount of test that a Dr. wouldn't prescribe for "HRT". But I don't ever remember saying it was a "Dr. prescribed" HRT program. After 30+ years of using PED's, I know what works for me, and I know that 200mg test a week is not going to give me what I'm after! So if it makes you feel better by calling it a cycle, that's fine with me. All I did was ask a simple question. Would increasing my dosing frequencies elevate my test levels. Instead of a straight answer...all I bet is BS! And MAKWA...who the fuck are you suppose to be. The Karma police? I'll bet your asshole puckers up every time you dock somebody some points, huh? I was hesitant to join this site because of all the bad reviews its received. I knew the rating system for suppliers is rigged and BS...but I thought I might still be able to get some useful info from the forums. I see that was a mistake. Now I know where all the bad reviews come from when you google eroids!!!
And
You're either really stupid,.............or full of Bull Shit.
And I will explain why, just in case you are really stupid. With 30+ years of using PED's you should already know the answer to that simple question.
ETA: For your attitude towards Makwa, -1
LOL!!! Wow...you guys are ruff! By the way...I'm 63, not 33! Don't know how my fingers typed that in on my stats, but I fixed it. So I'll address you first vhman. Not sure what your background is, but if you think 1 1/2 cc of test a week is a full blown cycle, then you've never competed (and if you did, your placing had to be low). I first started competing at 40 and stopped at 56. I usually did two full blown cycles a year. One for mass, and one contest prep. And they involved considerably more anabolics (oral and injectables), and at much higher doses that 450mg a week!!! I've been doing MY HRT around 4 years now. When I first started, I had been totally clean for a couple of years. When I had my first bloodwork done, I was around 240-250 range. I tried 250mgs every two weeks for a while, but that barely moved me up (tested at 330 after 3 months). After some experimentation, I found what works for me is in the range I'm at now. And I base a lot of that on how I feel! I still train 5 days a week, and although the gains don't come like they did 20 years ago, I still make some. Maybe you guys are happy with 200mg of test a week so you can get your dicks hard to jack off to your favorite gay porn channel...but I'm looking for more than that!!! And although my test is not physician prescribed, my Dr is fully aware of what I'm doing, and monitors my test levels as often as I like. I usually try to test every 8-10 weeks.
That is 450 mg/week,..........yes that is a cycle, not full blown, but, still a cycle that NO doctor including yours would prescribe.
So, your not on TRT, you're on self prescribed testosterone cycle.
So now your claiming that your just a few years younger than me. Bull Shit !
Well johnny...here is -2 to start you on your way.
You're 33 and on a fully blown cycle and you're calling it HRT. That's just ignorant and insulting to those who are actually on a legitimate trt/hrt regimen.
Man up and call it what it is and quit denying what you're doing.
Why did you have to go and say that,........... now we can't poke fun at him any more.
I'm really sorry about that. I'm old and instantly snap into "real" talk with these folks. I'll try to think before I act. ;-)
Anytime they start out with
I feel it is my right to fuck with them.
ETA: The more I think about it, "Hey old farts", sounds more like something a teenager would say, rather than a 33yo that Johnny Thrust claims to be.
YMMV
Or a 30 yr old wearing skinny jeans and a fancy v neck t-shirt, one earring, a barbed wire tat on his arm and some type of braided bracelet. Either would be very plausible.
So you're thinking he's gay?,......... ..No Homo.
I tend not to think of such things. :-)
450mg /week,..... . and only a mid 800 number,..,..... I don't think you're using pharma grade are you?
By pharma grade I mean, you bought it at a REAL brick and mortar pharmacy WITH a script from a real doctor.
your dose is very high meaning this is not trt but a cycle. . how many days after administration are you having bloods pulled that show mid 800 ng/dl?
what were your natural levels before starting the self medication? did you really have diagnosably low test levels?
Gnarkill868 is good man I'd keep it at what your doing now but you're your own person and I'm just a random person behind on phone sitting on the John
Wow that's high, I've never seen anyone get a doc to give them more than 200mg a week. But yes doing it e5d would bring you around 450mg a week and that's definitely a cycle and not trt. I honestly think 300mg is a cycle and not trt also.
Ive been on DR prescibed 1.4cc every 7 days for about 7 years now It still only puts me in mid 700's. Sucks
Sigh. Self prescribed trt, in other words steroid junkie.
450mg of test a week. I take it this is self-prescribed trt.
ZandaYes, absolutely. However I wouldn't make any changes to your prescribed trt regimen without consulting your physician first. There are many factors that contribute to your blood tests and I would want to ensure I was doing it safely, especially since we don't know your medical history etc.