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Without it our species would cease to exist

With it our lives can be a roller coaster

There is a saying
##"Women need romance in order to have sex Men need sex in order to have romance"
If this is true how do we balance it?

Question; Is sex better with or without love?

Is great sex possible without any emotional connection whatsoever and what exactly constitutes GREAT sex?

Is sex very important to you in a relationship?
Would you stay in a relationship with someone even if you weren't sexually fulfilled?

Just how important is sex in the integrity and sustainability of a relationship

Just how important is sex to you....

Roid Noid's picture

while sex is fun I dont put that much into it, if we are having it great, if we are not i got two hands that probably work better then she does so it dont really matter. one way or another im gonna get mine.

alayna's picture

So the answer is yes, you wld stay in a relationship even if you weren't sexually happy ;)

Roid Noid's picture

ive been in one for the last 5 years, and i am sexually happy with or without my partner. to many people want everything to be the best, if you cant take the good with the bad your just chasing a dream and will never find real happiness which is NOT measured by sex

alayna's picture

obviously happiness is not measured by sex alone lol but what then makes yr relationship with yr partner any different from that of yr sibling?? if your not intimate with a partner then its like a friend no?? and quite frankly i was married for 13 years and when our sex life tanked so did our relationship and believe me we weathered a shit load of storms....

Roid Noid's picture

sibling? I dont even get that but it sounds pretty gross! I never said i wasnt intimate with my partner, where did you read that? and yes it is like having sex with a friend, my best friend at that....If your relationship tanked when your sex life tanked then it was a relationship based on sex, I dont know what else to tell you.

We have sex 1 or 2 times a week, its just not the kind of sex I had prior to getting with her.

alayna's picture

you dont have to tell me anything i just asked for everyone to answer the questions above...and fyi no relationship that lasts for 13 years is based on sex believe me and mine def wasn't...sex is healthy part of a relationship it can be lust and love simultaneously but at its core it is the transfer of intimacy and it is what sustains a closeness and connection, and my point was when we lost our connection and closeness we couldn't weather any more storms...

There is no wrong or right answer its everyones experience i was interested in Smile

Darktide's picture

if you cant take the good with the bad your just chasing a dream and will never find real happiness which is NOT measured by sex

I actually think that is the profound key statement! Because someone with that attitude can over come all adversity and not quit when things get tough. And if you stay and go through a relationship long enough you will go through the good, bad and the ugly! Many are delusional imo and think when that happens it shouldn't be so they quit. But those who persevere have imo the best most solid relationship that can exist in a massively imperfect world.

Genetix's picture

OH Sweetie....where to begin.... Sex better with or without love? When you are in love you need to have SEX and also make LOVE! But to everyone their own..... I have learned that Sometimes a girls needs a good hair pulling ass slapping sweaty sex fest. Next day she might just want to be romanced swooped off her feet, licked from head to toe, made loved to and then made breakfast in bed! Then there is the occasional go down on me and make me scream in a different language! So now on to men...we are simple creatures. Make me Cum treat me like a king and be a naughty girl and you are good to go! But on a cliff note give me a sexy, sweet smelling , tanned little body, girl who knows how to use her hips and throw her in a reverse cowgirl! Bam that's SEX! Damn I am PUMPED for NFL Sunday!

alayna's picture

Lmao! i think the first part you were describing me!! lol women we are more comlicated because we're lead by our moods which are controlled by our horomones....yr a smart man bec you figured this out ;)

Genetix's picture

They say practice makes you perfect Smile

Greg's picture

Is sex better with or without love? Sometimes.
Is love better with or without sex?

I think sex, selfless sex, is very important for the bonding of a deep, and emotionally close relationship.

I don't think a touching relationship would survive if the physical closeness stopped. There might be health or physical issues that force sex to stop. But I think it can endure as long as the physical closeness does not stop (cuddling, touching).

EmeraldLaoch's picture

This is an awesome post. I would like to comment specifically on the emboldened part.

VenuS and myself have an agreement, an understanding, that as long as we keep the cycle going everything works out. She keeps fucking me, and i stay sweet on her. The trouble starts whenever the cycle breaks or we go too many days without sex or sweetness. I dont feel like being nice even if it means i can get in her pants, feels cheap to me. And she doesnt feel like having sex with me because i havent been sweet to her. So which one of us is responsible for restarting the cycle? Its tough but we do trade off. Sometimes she just bites the bullet and fucks me randomly and that will get it going. Sometimes i have to think about her in terms of missing her physically which makes me feel lonely and remorseful, which in turn causes me to act sweet. Ill do something spontaneously romantic like clean the kitchen or bring flowers (believe it or not she appreciates either) or write her a love note that she finds later.

The obvious solution is to keep it going all the time. She even gives me head when shes on her period and its too heavy for shower sex. Thats a great woman. She understands that as long as she keeps me well fucked i am a perfect gentleman. Semen is like hate-juice. If it builds up, everybody is going to have a shitty day. Her job is to keep it from building up. Simple science.

Greg's picture

You're spot on with the chicken and egg scenario. The tit for tat cycle couples get sucked into where nobody wins. On occasion my wife and I have to step back and start over. We recognise that we will never win the argument, "who started what" so we sidestep the argument and express what it is we are looking for...

Ironically it is always a reconnect. We both want the same thing but our habitual, survival, gotta win, world mentality creeps into our relationship. We behave and do things that get us the exact opposite results.

Even after 20 years together it amazes me how easy it is to think of her as someone on the opposing team instead of my teammate and partner.

alayna's picture
hmmmm that was very enlightening thank you ;)

p.s. 20 years is a long time!!

alayna's picture

Thank you for your honesty....i really believe that you are 100% right...btw the love note thing goes a looooonng way!! more than you prob know...fyi women keep a log of shit like is in our head...its kinda like brownie points all yr good actions gets you a certain amount of brownie points "LOVE NOTES" are huge brownie points like 10,000 which gets you blow jobs without reciprocity....however forgetting a b.d. or giving us a pot for christmas detracts from yr brownie points....so keep this in mind cause you never wanna be negative brownie points lol...negative brownie points equals NO SEX!

EmeraldLaoch's picture

Exactly. And the more stuff you do like that, it builds up like currency which you can trade at the sex commissary for blowjob tokens and cigarettes.

And just to sound like a tool for a second (let the fag accusations begin) I cant have sex without love. Never had a one night stand, never fucked a girl i didnt care about. Ive tried. If i dont know her or care about her the cock wont even wake up. Its weird, but true. Even while on cycle.

alayna's picture

i laughed out loud literally at the first part and them went awwwww to the second Smile

HllwdBdBoy's picture

Sex is the primary driving force behind the behaviour of all living things. All other needs (food, water, shelter, etc.) are in place to facilitate surviving long enough to pass on genetic material, and ensure the perpetuation of the species. The species, not the individual component, is what is important in nature. From this perspective, almost every action is ultimately linked to sexuality. Only humans are capable of conduct totally unconnected to sexuality. Some of these actions can be construed as positive (literacy, technology etc...) while others are definitely negative (humans inability to manintain harmony within the paramters of nature): nevertheless, few aspects of human behaviour are not sexually motivated and the idea that we are somehow "evolved" does not exempt us from natures primary purpose.

Now making love, that is a uniquely fascinating aspect found only in humans and with that comes a profound connection not found in other species. The connectiveness and unity that we alone share comes with a price for when that fails, falls short or is taken away the negative effects are as equally profound.

alayna's picture

hmmmm ok but you didn't exactly answer my questions...i do however agree with the science of it all....but im less interested in the science and more interested in yr personal experience and beliefs ;)

HllwdBdBoy's picture

I believe you can't fight biology and the complexities of sexuality are not easily discussed in a nutshell

is sex an important aspect in a relationship? YES!

is it the most important aspect important aspect? NO!

Can one have an enjoyable, fulfilling sexual experience with or without the bio-chemical interface of Love? YES!

Does the aspect of Love make sex more enjoyable? it can, but other variables of the relationship come into consideration with every encounter

Not an easy discussion to have because although SEX is easily quantifiable, LOVE is not

alayna's picture
and p.s. i agree love is not quantifiable and neither is chemistry and its all subjective and individual to each encounter
alayna's picture

i've had chemistry without being "in love"

alayna's picture

i can love everyone or anyone but i can only find that passionate feeling of being in love with a select few....the love I'm describing comes from the soul and not from a chemical reaction in my body.

alayna's picture

Well i LOVE my son more than anything or anyone with every microcosm of my body even and that feeling is def not chemical...so yah we wont agree Smile

alayna's picture
well i've had that love at first sight thing a few times in my life and imo that feeling can only be explained by "soul recognition".... chemistry can def be chemicals shooting off in yr brain like oxytocin, dopamine etc.. and from those chemicals the feelin of love can be present and sex can def manifest as well...but true love is spiritual bec we are comprised of energy and true love is an energetic thing and will never be defined in a petri dish or by science except possibly quantum physics...

even animals love their owners and each other how do you explain their devotion...

alayna's picture

Its really sad that you have such a closed minded idea of love :( i feel sorry for you actually, because i've been really loved and i've really loved, and when you experience that kind of love there's no better feeling in the world and it cannot be quantified by a scientific theory or chemical potion

alayna's picture

ok fair enough and thank you...

i never looked at love as a bio-chemical interface; hmmm that puts a whole new twist on things ...

robb's picture

Sex for me is more of a release thing, I love it in a relationship as its basically on tap.
It's good at breaking down inhibitions in a new relationship aswell.

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alayna's picture

but would you stay in a relationship if the sex ceased or slowed down or there was less of a connection?

robb's picture

Depends, if it's love then I'd stay. Sex is great but the bigger picture comes with love!

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HllwdBdBoy's picture

Spkng from the alpha stance... If I'm not getting it at home then I am getting it somewhere else... hence why I would leave if the problem persists. Now although I am not a man that would step out on someone who I've committed to, I am the man who will end it and move on - LOVE or not

alayna's picture

Thank you!! Now thats the damn truth! and thats the way it should be!

alayna's picture

hmmmmmm so you wld stay and be unhappy? bec if you weren't having sex wouldn't you be unhappy?

i know girls ask too many questions bare with me here im askin for a reason

robb's picture

Ive never been in that situation so I'm just assuming. I'd like to think I'd stay, but eventually, maybe I might cheat. I dont really know.
I missed out on loads of sex when I was in my 20's cos I was in jail, obviously you miss it bad but in their you aint got options unless your gay, so youve got to live with it. It didn't make me unhappy but in the real world you have a different mind set.

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alayna's picture

oh ok i see yes that puts a different perspective on things....thank you for sharing yr experience ;)

MONK's picture

I find the best way to connect with a women sexually is to lead them into a fall sense of security. Let them think you are kind hearted gentle soul, then once the mood is set and the last glass of wine drank, BOOM!!! Start jumping around losing your shit, going off like Mike Tyson at a 98' press conference " AIN'T NOBODY IN HERE CAN FUCK WITH THIS, THIS IS THE ULTIMATE, ILL FUCK YOU TILL YOU LOVE ME F@GGIT"

Tried and tested method ill have you know Biggrin

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alayna's picture

hmmmmm

MONK's picture

.....Why is everyone staring at me?

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alayna's picture

i dont know maybe cause yr like joey stud from Jersey and they wanna know,yr secret to such successful sex...;) lol

MONK's picture

Is that how that came off? Dam, that's genuinely the opposite of what I was going for. I was aiming for small time LoLz at the thought of some crazed awkward sex pest's attempt at love. Kinda taking the piss out of myself. oh well, another comedy fail on my part.....

ED pulls this style off so effortlessly.... In fact Fuck you Ed. <3

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EmeraldLaoch's picture

I got it the first time. You just need to establish yourself as "that guy" and then everyone will read your posts through that filter.

You had me laughing hard bro. I actually have a buddy that lives by that philosophy. Its not right, but it does work for him.

alayna's picture

Lmao! im sure that sense of humor of yours is an angle you def work with the ladies and if not you should bec there is no quicker way to a women's heart then through making her laugh her ass off or her panties whichever ;) hehe

XvBeast's picture

i have tried both, and way better when u have feeling for the person. even the ones u keep having sex or going back with and technically ur not "dating", u some way or another have feeling for that person. otherwise it would lose its magic, u dont get adrenal or a rush when ur not attracted to the person, ur just trying to get the job done and leave, which happens but thats bad sex. now the romance part is kinda of hard to comment on, i dont think i need sex to be romantic, I know that women like guys who are more aggressive, hint why nice guys finish last, there fore I try to become more aggressive. tried being a nice guy, doesnt work. I find that being straight forward works for me, u cant beat around the bushes, also i find that falling for a girl or doing too much for her before getting in the bed room will label u as a try hard or a nice guy, or a push over, all bad labels IMO.

Just being more aggressive, not giving too much too soon all the time, and giving a girl a challenge will almost always win over a guy who would pour his heart out or try something extra then look like a try hard or even desperate.

men are not as bad as women think, guys can develop feelings for girls before having sex with them (if they stay w/ em anyways). Most men try to find the role that women find attractive and play it (because of ego) , unfortuantly that role is the aggressive guy who will do little for u and will just want to try to get as far as he can on the first date. because guys who do that distinguish themselves , and look as if they dont care about the girl, they make it look as if they have other options (girls to choose from) and women find a desirable man (aka a player or a puller) attractive. They also appear to have more confidence then that guy who is trying to do things for u and is not getting any thing back in return ( aka sex ), they call those guys nice guys. and as i mentioned before guys can have sex w/ the girl with or with out feeling, not sure if women can do the same

alayna's picture

Thank you for yr very honest informative post....i think there are absolutely women who chase after men who do not treat them well, who act like alpha males, but in actuality they are nothing more than insecure douches....sometimes women learn their lesson right away...sometimes they keep chasing after the douche bags bec it is the women who have the problem....i wld not be attracted to a man who was all over me, calling, me texting me, wanting to know where i am all the time...thats not a nice guy, thats a controlling clingy guy...i feel a man in the early stages should show enough interest so that a woman knows what his intentions are....i think men themselves confuse being a nice guy with what women consider a stalker lol...

i've had sex with no feeling, well he was a friend, but it was terrible sex more so bec i'd walk right past him at the gym and not even realize that i was sleepin with him...thats how little he impacted my life....so yes women can but most women who have any sense of themselves will cut it off.....also i know this is gonna get me slack if anyone reads it, but i think a good majority of men have no idea how many women fake orgasms....everyone of my friends has more than once, twice, three times etc...one of my friends has faked every one of hers...obviously she has a problem but only 1 guy picked up on it...