posted Fri, 11/06/2015 - 22:05
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Cant find my post about refugee crisis in EU and whats not being told about it.
So im opening a new one.
Hopefully this one wont get erased if that was the case.
If someone agrees and feels the same way feel free to post links here also, just post civilized one`s please.
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StevebUS General About ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SOloRfNqQ0
"Michael Flynn," former director of the Pentagon's Defense Information in an interview with Al-Jazeera to America's role in the development of ISIS explicitly acknowledged and said the growth of extremist groups in Syria of a "voluntary decision" by the government of America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3j8OYKgn4
"Former" being the key word there,
StevebWhat's the point of pointing out that he retired if he just recently retired? He retired less than a year ago and he was in charge before and after ISIS formed.
He talks about what happened while he was in charge. Did you watch the whole interview? He has held many positions. He would know more about ISIS than anyone, look at all the positions he's held.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn
And I am sure he has an axe to grind.
StevebIf you watched the whole thing you would have heard that the pentagon knew those groups were our enemies but they backed them anyway.
You can take his words as gospel brother, that is your right. I on the other hand feel this man has an agenda. Which coincidentally is my right as well.
StevebAll he did is affirm what the DIA and Pentagon said. It's not just his word. This is admitted by different agencies. It's fact not gospel. So prove to me the US is not intentionally arming terrorists.
StevebWWII Vet Explains Why You Don't Shoot A Parachuting Soldier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8LVlYJ5eJU
It's also a violation of the Geneva conventions...
Rebel forces are not under that umbrella bro unfortunately....
Agreed. I was just saying, even though it wasn't strictly enacted until '77 I believe, there was an unspoken chivalrous pact between nations that shooting down parachuting pilots was a no-no.
You also raise the important point about being stacked against in a fight. The west has to abide by Geneva conventions even when fighting against rebel forces who take the conventions and rub their bum holes all over it. I'm totally for taking the high-road (I'm sure many of us have had to during the course of our lives) but in this very instance I prefer the Russian way. If you fight an enemy that refuses to abide by the laws of war, then that enemy does not deserve to have the protections those laws offer.
Yes, that's a slippery slope statement, and everyone can whine about it becoming a race to the bottom. But it won't, because every other motherfucking nation on earth when engaged would still adhere to them, out of respect for the engagement.
rule of engagement no 1 (as told to me by a navy seal) " there are no rules "
I spoke with a former marine who said that's how things used to be and how that kind of approach used to get the boys home safe. Nowadays there's so many fucking checks and double checks that they're practically forced to wait until it's too late to engage. The whole "don't shoot until you're absolutely positively doubly sure that you're being engaged."
How much of this is "by the book" and how things actually go down are much different I'm sure...
I tell you first hand the new rules of engagement get people killed. But not everyone follows them. It really depends on the mission, the environment, the country your in and the big one are there journalist or media in the area. Now that everyone has a camera on a phone that's bad for war. Anyone can make a propaganda video now whether the killing was legit or civilian casualty doesn't matter anymore. But as I said on another thread, me and my Marines said we will take the chance of being court martialed and come back to our families then be killed or wounded. At the same time just gotta be smart about it. Can't walk in a market and kill everyone anymore. They've learned if we get engaged in a market full to not run lay on the ground and don't move if they don't want to get shot. If your innocent and have no weapons no reason to run. Just have to use your head and if your gut tells you its a threat 95% of the time it is. Your gut feeling is almost never wrong
I can tell you that spec ops guys would be dead if they played by the rules ... I m glad I leftt when I did .. but I can tell you that when we sent troops to Somalia in the 90's to play peace keepers they weren't even allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves ... the gov.. the military.. the way we run this shit show is a sore subject for me .. ;-/
My buddy took two bullets in his back during Somalia recovered and become a scout sniper. It was when we first went in Somalia Two weeks in country rebels let their patrol walk by guy jumped up on a roof and started shooting from behind them. Saw gunner turned around and got him.back then he said they had the flak vest, but had no sapi plates. So the bullets went right through it on each side of his spine. He was a big influence in me joining the Marines.
I agree. I don't understand how we can send the military in (whose sole purpose is to you know, act all militant and shit) and expect them to fight wars with kumbaya anthems.
Either send them in and let them do their job, or don't send them in at all.
Touche'
So if I am understanding this correctly, Russia just declared a no-fly zone over Syria.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1448395202
And I can bet you the next Turkish aircraft within range will be deemed "potentially dangerous" and shot down immediately. I give it 36 hours
Technically speaking, Turkish aircraft would need to violate Syrian airspace to be in that area... I'd like to think the Russian military wouldn't blatantly shoot it out of the sky without following standard operating procedure...
I truly hope that's the case but I think after all is said and done Putin is gonna act on this.
I will add that I am perplexed that Turkey went this far. Even if they did cross their airspace they obviously were not attacking Turkey. I am fairly certain they have been ready/planning to do this for at least a matte of days.
As am I... it's not as if they're clueless as to what the hell is going on across their border. It's also such a minor infraction territory wise, it's not as if the SU was on a straight path into the Turkish heartland... it seems to be a very knee jerk reaction, to show those damn commies Turkish muscle, and I honestly don't agree with this posturing...
How many times have US and Russian planes come in contact with each other? A simple interception, check, and part ways.
RustyhookerSeems like that whole area is abuzz with tensions.
Negative. All bombing runs against Syrian targets will now have fighter escorts attached to them. Any hostile aircraft that do not respond to lines of communication from the Russian defense will be shot down by SAMs, is basically the gist of it. Oh, and the last part about no longer cooperating with Turkish military... tad bit worrisome right there.
This could possibly force NATO to get involved, even if only to act as Turkey's line of communications with Russia.
What he said is basically a declaration of a no-fly zone. The question is what specific area is he saying? And of course it will not stop us, but if Russia lights up one of ours... Hang on boys
Eh, I suppose to some extent it is... Again, I'm assuming this is around Latakia, as that's where the Moskva missile destroyer is now based, along with the entire operating base of the Russian force in Syria.
I highly doubt Russia would ever light up one of ours, there's been plenty of instances to do so, and they've all merely identified US aircraft and left them be. Our lines of communication are much more direct with Russia for this exact reason. Our aircraft also have clear orders on how to avoid confrontation by Russian aircraft as well, so that definitely helps.
Things just escalated to Defcon 4.
http://news.yahoo.com/warplane-crashes-syria-near-turkish-border-habertu...
StevebRussia's response
Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger
https://www.rt.com/news/323329-russia-suspend-military-turkey/
I don't know if anyone can clear this up for me, but is Russia still fighting to aid Assad , has their goal switched to the war on terror, or are they bombing assad's enemies in the name of the war on terror?
Regardless bombs are flying and tensions are escalating. I'm just not convinced we're fighting for the same goal.
So what? It is one missile cruiser. Already in just a matter of days France has eclipsed their total firepower
The missile cruiser was deployed to assist the French missile cruiser in targeting ISIS...
Stevebhttps://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
I hope Russia smashes Turkey.
Turkey shot that Russian jet down............... holy fuck what now?
We wait. Steve, remember Turkey is a NATO state. We are on the edge of world war 3
StevebJust like ISIS is a proxy for the US, Russia will use its proxy army to attack Turkey.
LOL, ok dude
StevebDo you think Russia will continue to let ISIS cross it's border into Syria and sell them oil? Russia doesn't have many choices anymore.
That isn't why I was laughing and you know it. You are giving Russia way more credit than they are due tho. They are not doing all they have been claiming either. They will need to really beef up their forces to accomplish anywhere near what they have been claiming
StevebI don't know why you think they are a "paper tiger".
Because they haven't been tested yet.
Emergency NATO meeting has been called... Both sides are de-escalating the situation, and this could possibly open up a new, better line of communication between all parties involved. Could be a silver lining to this conflict... I'd say a lot depends on how NATO handles it as opposed to Russia right now.
The Rebels took out one of the Russian Choppers this morning as well. With one of the TOW missives we gave them. There is also videos of the rebels shooting at the pilots while they were parachuting down.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=27a_1448375727
AnonWatch shit get scary in the next month or so..aint no one backing down!
AnonMost likely be our last civilized christmas..
I believe both accounts were confirmed, but I cannot seem to find anything regarding the Hind landing damaged or whether it actually went down.
I also believe one of the pilots is confirmed dead (from gunshots) and the other one is not yet confirmed. Either way, this is an open invitation for a joint effort on all parts... France is the interesting party to watch here, as they seem to be calling for a joint NATO involvement aligned with Russia. I believe I read somewhere Russia wasn't opposed to having Assad step down once Syria is under control either.
StevebWhat did you think about the US giving ISIS a 45 minute warning before bombing their oil trucks?
RustyhookerUs warned isis? There a link? Thats flat out dumb on usa if its real.