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NO MORE POLICE FORCE IN CAMDEN NJ.

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OK, I need some entertainment, so I thought I'd throw out an inflammatory and controversial subject for you guys to fight over. This way, I can watch the fights, and then ban people for fighting. Fuck!!....double pleasure.
Anyway, the city of Camden NJ has laid off it's entire police force because it doesn't have the money to pay them. So they are replacing them with non-union cops brought in from the county.
So....what say you all about unions?
I have my opinions, but I'd rather see you guys beat each other up.

Here is the story link:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/30/13504614-one-of-most-dangerou...

Nitti's picture

Camden is a stone throw away from me! If any city in the country needs cops, it's Camden! Although Camden blames all its violence and drug traffic on Philadelphia.

w1cked001's picture

to be fair, Philly does bring down the relatively nice state of PA.

Nitti's picture

I can't argue with that! No different than any other big city. Scum! But Camden does terribly all by itself

Nitti's picture

Hopefully I never have to! You'd think I was waiting for the zombie armageddon if you saw my man cave! Lol. These young punks out here are fuckin bat shit crazy with the guns man

knowledge's picture

Well Goth i see ur still at it. I still scroll around to see what u post every now and again.

ChevChelios610's picture

If only people would take the time to read a couple of Ayn Rand books we wouldn't be tits deep in all this horse shit right now.

MisterP's picture

Please bear with me, as I'm not much of a reader of fictional novels. is this the same 'ATLAS SHRUGGED' that the potential V.P. Paul Ryan requires his interns to read? The only Ayn Rand I know of is her influence on the Canadian rock group RUSH's 1976 concept album '2112'. A society that was ruled by priests... Who have outlawed anything individualistic or creative. Arguably the greatest concept album EVER written!
Cleyon...I know you're a fan of 'the Professor'....any insight?

ChevChelios610's picture

Atlas Shrugged is easily one of my all time favorites. I've recently re-read it too and your right it will scare the crap out of you reading it during these times.

Back when she wrote that book it was obviously meant to be an over-the-top fictional exaggeration in order to get her point/philosophy across... But these days it reads like it was purposefully written to tell the story of the current state of our country/society.

fast48's picture

Serious BS is the new York news. 9 folks shot.....by the elite cop force' stray bullets!! A slingshot is more efficient!

fast48's picture

If citizens could get trained on their own dime and carry cwp...the bullscheiße would stop. Youngster wannabees who won't fistfight but draw a gun would be equalized. An armed society is a polite society. If you're in store..its being robbed..save lives and not worry because you were protecting yourself

DBG's picture

With less laws and regulations, the better it would be.

jprizzle's picture

yeah that would be awesome! Employers could pay you $1 per hour or not at all and no one would do shit about it. Alot of people hate unions (mostly because they are misinformed.some are crap but not all) But without them you would not have rrights in the workplace and would most likely be paid shit wages and benifits at most jobs,Also probably work 100 hours a week and no overtime.

IM NOT A UNION MEMBER......ANYMORE

jprizzle's picture

what companys have figured out that the best way to get and retain the best employees is through competitive pay and benefits? If anything most companys lately have been firing people and cutting wages. I know they say its because the economy but that to me is what makes the economy bad.(companys using it as an excuse to cut pay and fire people just keeps making it worse) I understand that some companys are having real problems. I think that has just trickled down from the larger companys being greedy.

jprizzle's picture

I guess on the other side this is the anti-union propaganda that I always hear.
like i said in the post im not union any more. The union I was in was a trade union and if you dont produce you are gone. I worked in it for about 5 years.The Way the UAW is has made people think all unions are the same. I dont think its selfish at all to wanna be paid enough to live on. I dont know how valid this is but i have heard multiple times that Union jobs help raise wages of even non-union jobs because of competition.I dont know much about that part of it though.

What harm have the unions done over the past 100years? I thin its a case of looking for someone to blame for the economy thing. just like its bushes fault or obamas or whoever else.

Unions do have alot of parts that I hated too.It did seem like the union reps just cared about getting you to pay your dues and didnt do to much if there was problems.

One argument I always hear is that they are selfish and want the workers to be paid too much. Its mostly business owners or people with money that dont like unions.Seems just like the union greed to me.How are people suppost to buy houses ,cars ect that these companys sell making crap wages?

jprizzle's picture

I dont know why I care so much when I hear bad things about Unions since im not even union myself. I guess I just feel strongly that there is alot of greedy companys that only care about paying the top people millions while the people who make the company work are the employees. like I said earlier ,who is gonna buy all the expensive cars and houses when you are making $8 hr? .......I know that higher wages also cause things to cost more so I guess there is no way to win.

Far as unions go the only ones I know about are trades unions. If you are a trades union worker you are highly trained. You dont have a choice if you are to work in one.

so you taking a %30 pay cut stopped your employer from going under? That makes sense if it is a big company and lots of workers did the same. If it was just you I call shenanigans Smile

Where I work they have been using the economy as an excuse for about 6 years now.
Its crap because the business was and is not affected by the economy.
It is a huge Office Rental building. Most of the tenants are in the medical field.
I say its not affected because the rent does not change and they get the money every month no matter what. They have been adding new tenants every year as well.

jprizzle's picture

I work in maintenance in the building . The economy may affect most other businesses but where i am at it does not. it has grown every year even after the crash.

I know brought it up first but there is no point in us debating really.We are not gonna change each others mind .

Hows the documentary coming?

DBG's picture

I wasn't really referring to LABOR laws and regulations...more like criminal and civil laws, of which there is an excess and far over-reaching into our personal freedoms...things this country was founded on and now going the complete opposite path into complete control of everything related to our daily existence.

NOW...as for unions, I don't have a problem with them. I would rather get paid accordingly and NOT work 100 hours/wk. You're absolutely right about our rights in the workplace...one thing that NEEDS to be there, BUT we the people can govern that ourselves and NOT the almighty head dix that think they are in charge. I wish more people would realize and take advantage of how much power WE hold collectively, as opposed to the present-day juggernaut of a government itself.

jprizzle's picture

I agree. I didn't mean to single you out. I just kept typing what my thoughts were at the time.

DBG's picture

I saw the response and was like...WTF?...LOL. I was thinking, ya know I was referring to unions, but now I will explain more of what I was getting at...I just wasn't feeling it last night and just typed a quick response, HAHA. FR sent.

fast48's picture

Where i Live, if you shoot a robber in your home and he lives. He sues you and he will win your house. Thats extremely wrong

ac89's picture

It's complete bullshit. I you shoot and kill someone defending yourself the courts and gov will do everything in their power to turn it around on you and make you the bad guy. If someone breaks in my house I'm shooting to kill! As far as I know in my state if someone breaks you have the right to kill them in your house. Also all it takes to open fire is to feel threatened. But the term "threaten" is very ambiguous so chances the local government will try and twist it. Anymore in this country you can't legally defend yourself. These hardcore liberal say call the police, all they are good for is to clean up the mess after the fact.

fast48's picture

My state you DO have the right to kill if they're IN your home. If they LIVE.....you're fucked! My homie lost his house tjis exact route.

DBG's picture

That is fucked up...sad state of affairs the times we are living in, and it's not gonna get any better.

Fullypumped's picture

Hmmm... Sounds like California where I live

fast48's picture

Hella.

witchdoctor6's picture

Lets face it people we are in a swirling toilet of shit. Economics is just one part of the issue leading us to the "Thunder Dome".Lol! Broken families=broken communities =fucked up society. America shouldn' have any cities or towns that remind me of southern Afghanistan in any way! Wth

7gothic's picture

Absotively, posolutely, correct. Even if you fixed the economy with the wave of a magic wand, we're still fucked. We'd just break it again.
Every time I visit theync.com I get depressed. The shit that man is capable of doing to man boggles my mind.

witchdoctor6's picture

Hell I have the "what the fuck" face just by looking at the first 5 mins of the news!

7gothic's picture

THAT'S IT MOTHER FUCKER......YOU'RE OUTA HERE!!!

(well......I had to do something. Nobody's breaking the rules. I'm bored)

DBG's picture

LOL...I thought you really did ban his ass for that.

Mxracer133's picture

Non-union companies dont do work for lees money. The rate that they charge is based off union scales. The union workers just get better benifeits and better pay than most non-union workers. The non-union company owner puts that money in his pocket instead of giving it to the employees.

witchdoctor6's picture

Unions aren't the downfall of anything. Its the upper echelon of a business(CEO's,VP's, board members..etc), raping the hell out of the capital cow. Throw in inflated/bloated bonuses while constantly downsizing /outsourcing their workforce to further their bonuses. Like I said thise numb nuts upstairs have been gourging themselves on the cow, now they bitch cry and moan when there isnt any meat left. Think about it...how many times have you seen a large corp lay off thousands, but still pay their higher ups ridiculous salaries and bonuses. Everyone wants to be conservative, as long as it doesn't involve capital gain.FREE FOR ALL!! So I'm all for the group that protects its own within the business infrastructure. This is evident not only in corporate America but city govt, state govt, fed govt, small business.

7gothic's picture

No denying that doc......there's plenty of blame to go around.
We live in a society where most people seem to have that "I'm gonna get mine" mentality.

Mxracer133's picture

If unions were not in this country everyone would be making third world wages. In the
early 1900's the US workforce was primarly union.Over the years corporate greed and politicians took over.

witchdoctor6's picture

I work for a fire dept in a major metropolitan city. If it wasn't for our union we would not have gotten a raise last year. My dept is going on 10 yrs without raises before 2011. Absolutely nothing cost the same as it did 10 yrs ago. So what are we to do....fight. But if I pro rated my firefighting, hazmat, extrication and paramedic skills to what I am paid, it would be unethical

Undertaker's picture

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drew3268's picture

I think unions had their place back in the day but now they've grown fat and greedy and are part of the reason many cities are on the brink of bankruptcy today as well as causing manufacturing companies to move overseas where labor is cheaper. Just my opinion and really what the fuck do I know?