MAN THE F**K UP
i look at karma like a reward/punishment system. you do something right, help somebody out you get a +1. you break a rule or give out harmful advice, you get negged. i don't think every single time someone does something right, or does what there supposed to that they need to be patted on the back and praised for it, because thats whats expected of them here in the first place. but when someone does wrong i believe they need to become aware of it. if you don't know you did something wrong, how are you ever going to learn from it? thats why i think if someone here negs somebody they should man up and say it was them and why they did it. that way if the person did something wrong they can learn from there mistake, and would know better to repeat the same mistake again. otherwise i feel it was done unjustly, and is some punk ass shit. granted you should always read the rules before interacting on forums, but theres usually always some common sense unwritten rules. kinda like the "guy code" all men should follow. theres no offical rule book, but theres certain things you should just know not to do to another guy. yes its mostly common sense stuff, but some people are lacking in that department. here a rule we have, thats not a written rule, is you do not take offers thru pm from unverified sources. again you would think this would be common sense, but many have broken this rule recently. so come on guys/girls if you have the time to go outta your way and neg someone, i think you can spare another minute of your time to explain why. it shouldn't be that hard to man up when you have a keyboard to hide behind.
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Hitman187everyone seems to be focusing on the karma part of this thread. i don't give a flying fuck about karma. i was trying to explain how i think members sticking up for sources, and attacking others when the have a bad experience is fucked up. but thats my fault, forgive me, im not the best of writers
The only problem I have is when a member is trashing a product with "I don't feel it" and it's a compound that will reveal itself in blood work and there's no evidence.
Hitman187i completely agree with you on that 100%. i meant more along the lines of a bad review for not getting there pack or whatever.
My source is more than capable of taking care of himself. If it's a bad review and he doesn't deserve it, I have watched him tear people into shreds - I mean utterly fucking destroy the guy. He doesn't need any fanboys. OTOH, if his lab is responsible for the problem, he will go the last mile to fix it.
Hitman187i think i know who your source is, and im not gonna argue none of that. hes a good dude and takes care of business. hes prob the biggest source in the world, of course hes gonna be backed up sometimes, mistakes happen. what matters is how you fix those mistakes, he always does and then some
I agree with you I have seen it... people go on SI pages and some fanboy turns into the sources personal lawyer There is of course a line and if you cross by complaining of not feeling test c in 3 days yea sure your getting flamed for good reason....But if say the source dis respected you or the gear you have is clearly under dosed you have a right to ask whats up not see the fanboys come out swinging trying to discredit you while they get their kick backs for being a good boy....
Hitman187i completely agree. you'd think we the users would be on the same side. certain fanboys really take it to heart when you question their "guy". when someone gets all angry and jumps in the middle of a problem that doesn't concern them to defend source, it makes you wonder why. wat do they have to gain. its no scret certain guys are getting kick backs, that was just recently proven by a diligent mod team. god only knows what other shady backdoor deals are going on behind the scenes
AnonFanboys on SI's defending sources could be described as the following scenario.
You buy the new Iphone 6 from Best Buy and get home and realize that the product is not up to par. You go back to the store and when you get to the register (source) to speak with the employee, you say "hey man my phone is missing buttons and the screen is cracked and I just bought this". A customer in line behind you (Fanboy) says "Bullshit bro", "I've done so many deals with this store, you probably dropped it on your way home and tryin to get a free one". Another customer (Fanboy #2) says"No shit dude, I see this all the time, people come in here complaining bout shit and are lying man", "products here are top notch". Third customer (Fanboy #3) shouts from the back o the line "Fucking Fag". Fourth customer (Fanboy #4) says "Bro I shop here all the time this store is legit, this is the first time I saw you in here, fucking noob". Finally, you had enough and walk out and think of another way to address the issue. Meanwhile, the store (source) never had to respond to your claims because the customers (Fanboys) did his/her dirty work. Does this sound ridiculous? Yupp, it does but that what happens on some SI's on here.
lmao that shit happens to me every time i go into best buy
Hitman187lol you hit the nail right on the head thats a grea tanalogy
LOL well described....its a wolf pack mentality usually its one guy who more than likely gets some sort of special treatment for his honorable job of spit shining the sources shoes and bouncing the front door.....the others that follow are just Monkey see monkey do it is easier to flame than 2 help is pretty sad it has cooled down a bit over time but it is still happening no doubt
This karma talk is some serious stuff on this site lol. I hope people do their own research as much as possible before just trusting someone with this number besides their name.
IMO, the biggest flaw in the karma system is when a legit bad review gets negged by fanboys. I'd like to see review negs be mod only. And all review negs are pussy negs, since there is no way to own your neg unless you are a mod.
RustyhookerNoone but the mods should be neg/pos karma the reviews. It really should be customer/seller. Hope that gets fixed.
I disagree, I will neg the hell out of a source that treats his/her customers like shit. Without hesitation.
AnonIs their an issue your specifically adressing or just in general?
Hitman187specific reason... first of all we, the users, should all get along here, and have each others backs by looking out for each other. we all have similar goals and are here for similar reasons. sources here aren't your friends and will take there loyalist customers money ina second and not think twice about it. thats a big reason why we should be sticking together, so that don't happen.
i had a bad experience with a source so i left a review and vented my frustration on his si. it is my right to speak my mind and share my experience with the community. after venting i felt a lil better and was ready to move on. then someone went off and started dick riding because he didn't like what i had to say about his boy/ source ( why do this and get involved in a situation that doesn't concern you,makes me wonder what his true intentions here really are) . if i had a bad experience and keep quiet about it, im setting up one of my bros here to go through the same thing. you got high ranking members here who try using there ranking to intimidate newbs into being quiet. thats why some guys are afraid to speak up. if this happens enough it jeopardises are whole system here, and could ruin this site we all love. yes i may of handled the situation wrong in the first place, but this high ranking member was even more wrong by the way he acted. he's a high ranking member here. those members represent and are the face of eroids, and acting like that is a bad look. he should be setting the standard and lead by example to show new members how to carry themselves, and to show non members how eroiders carry themselves. but hes 50+ and wants to act like a kid, and yes he suckered me into stooping to his level.........point being........... all of this could have been avoided if he either just kept it moving when he didn't like what i had to say or if he woulda just came at me right the first time. i actually woulda respectfully accepted his advice, and appologized. but im not going to let sumone bully me into keeping quiet. no one has ever gotten that off to my face, i sure as shit aint letting a keyboard gangster do it..
AnonWell said +1
I wonder what would happen if the mods decided one day to just cap everyones karma at 100; I wonder how many ppl would still help others and bring this site back to where it used to be...helping others unselfishly instead of worrying so fkn much about how much karma they will get for it. Post after fkn post lately has been nothing but about karma..No wonder noone can get any help. Worry about others for a change and stop fkn worrying about yourself.
absolutely agree here bro. things would really change imo.
X2. Karma is the only system of checks and balances we have as a review site. We all have worked for the points from the length of time being here. If 100 karma is the result from positive and progressive participation, then its clearly evident we have provided information for this site and it has been helpful. I agree with a karma cap. I brought this up not too long ago in a thread somewhere. I cant remember. Of course, idk how effective a cap would be, but it may minimize some of the negative situations that are occurring.
PallMallNot everybody has the time to help out these days :/
You got time to lean, you got time to clean.
Hitman, I think the Mods regularly look for this kind of karma "negging". I know I was docked a bit of karma a while back for negging one of Gearhead's posts because I didn't offer up an explanation. I subsequently did follow up with a public apology to Gearhead and explained why I did it, which was really for selfish reasons. And shortly thereafter he accepted my FR request!!! lol
But I think the Mods do try to keep an eye out for the kind of karma negging you're referring to. I'd PM them if you would like them to follow up on it.
Karma is looked upon too much. It tells nothing but popularity mostly... There is no reward system for it - what's the obsession? What happened to doing the right thing for the good of doing good, rather then being helpful because of a "reward"?
I could give two shits about karma. Only here to sponge up information and give back when I can. Nothing more nothing less.
There seems to be more talk of karma lately than actual training, diet and gear. And someone who negs you without owning it is called Pussy negging. Fucked up right? Too bad this is the internet and not actual in my face interaction because I would love to see how it really goes down.
Hitman187"And someone who negs you without owning it is called Pussy negging"
and thats exactly what happened, and why i started this thread because i was pussy negged by sum pussy lol....i was negged by sum nut hugging fanboy because i bad mouthed his "boy". the same "boy" who would run off wit his money in a heart beat. no source here is your friend. i really don't care about karma, i just got pissed because i was negged by someone who had a personal vendetta, and wanted to ride his sources a.k.a. his "boys" nuts even harder
Yep if you notice most of the top sources have their fanboys. I understand it's not about you being upset over the karma but it's the faceless dickwad who is probably getting kickbacks and keeping guys like you from voicing his opinion on the SI's
You or I will not be able to stop this ongoing issue of hanging on a sources nuts as much as you will not change a homo to go straight.
Hitman187yes thats is exactly right, i couldn't of said it better myself. i don't like getting negged for speaking my mind and sharing my experience. both of which i have the right to do... im on a pussy hunt tonite, and no its not the usual pussy im used to hunting down on a friday nite. so whomever it was would you kindly untuck your dick from between your legs and come forward and man up
Dang, I realize we all want karma but it seems like folk are getting obsessed with it. I started out with I think it was 1 karma. I answered a lot of questions and now I have 800 karma. I read a lot of posts and I try to give new members karma when it is deserved. I think the whole community, especially those of us with lots of karma should not be stingy with newer members where appropriate. It's easy to forget to give karma, but it's important.
I must have read 2-300 posts about karma related BS over the last 3+ years. consumes people and the site. waste of energy....
lol I just negged u cause I am on my phone
kind of funny considering this thread
Very true. Lately I've been trying to read more posts by newer members and give them karma when it's appropriate. Someone did it for me when I was new so if the newer members are giving useful info we should give it to them.
And you never know, a "new" member may have more experience in BBing, powerlifting, nutrition, etc. than most of the members on here, irrespective of how much karma they have ;-)
dammit another post pertaining 2 karma
RustyhookerFor me the best payback is seeing post cycle pix. Watching advice work from start to finish. Especially with the newbs when eod they're sending pm's and updates.