posted Tue, 07/25/2023 - 14:11
1469
Dealing with a relapse after being clean from opiates
ad
Hey guys. Former addict here have been clean for a while. Had a recent relapse a few weeks ago and went on a bender for 3 days. Those of you who have been clean for 2+ years, do you count your relapses as a restart? It’s been eating away at me since I see my sober buddies and feel guilty having relapsed a few weeks ago telling them I’ve stayed clean. I haven’t been active at my home group NA meetings for a while but my friend asked me to come speak this Friday and I told him a white lie to think on it. Any advice for people who can relate? I’m leaning towards not going or either coming clean to my buddies I keep up with from rehab and my home NA group. Advice appreciated
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
Bro I was a chronic relapser. I would have a significant amount of clean time (5 years, 11 years) and then something would happen in my life and I would use it as an excuse to relapse. Yes, it was hard to admit it to others and the guilt was awful, but by not sharing I was just perpetuating my addict behavior. This addict behavior would only cause my relapse to progress and lead to me falling right back into active addiction. You have to be honest with others and more importantly yourself. I'm sure your sober buddies won't judge you for your relapse and in fact they will probably respect you more for being open and honest. I've had to get a number of white keychains in the past 25 years, but I can honestly say that once I did I felt so much better and was able to move forward. I just had my 4 year sober anniversary a couple weeks ago and I've never felt better. Coming on here and sharing was a great 1st step (no pun) ,but go into your home group meeting and do the same thing. You'll be glad you did.
Relapse is a part of recovery. My personal episodes allowed me to have a state sponsored "time-out". In the overall picture, the starting time never really matters and like everyone else said, it's the finish that counts. You understand, take responsibility, vow to move forward -all perfect steps. if they are your real mates, they'll understand, support you and be the sail instead of the anchor.
And I would also say that you need to stay away from the rehab center and from all those who take something!
Remember ! Everything starts from the first time and should always be avoided! If it happens once, then it will be the beginning! And I never understood rehab centers at all and also publicly talk about my problems! 10 years without recurrence but I was afraid. I recently had an operation and after that I stuck my headphones in and listened to music while high. A few hours later, when the anesthesia released me, I realized that this was not mine and I would not return to this. When I fully felt my body, I was convinced that I would not repeat it again. I used to be afraid and thought that I could start again. But now I'm sure it isn't. And it's not just 10 years. These are years of work on yourself. And by the way, thanks to steroids, I improved the quality of life. Now I regret that instead of drugs I had to do bodybuilding. And then I would not try steroids.
Yeah, the clean time clock restarts after using again. Although it may feel like you failed yourself & others, you haven’t. The very premise of these programs is that together we’re stronger. Others will find connection to your story. I always connected more with people that were fresh from using, not people with years under their belt. And your bravery & transparency about what you’re currently going through will show others it’s ok, that falling off is too be expected and that each time we get back on we’re stronger than before. You’re already moving in the best direction here, on the forum.
No judgment whatsoever man, but I don't think lying and deceiving your buddy is wise if you sincerely wish to overcome this. Own it and share it, your friend asking you to speak just might be a "blessing in disguise" and you might learn new things by sharing it and hearing the feedback you receive from him or the group as a result. Realize you are not the first person to experience this and won't be the last. Don't run from it, face it.
Being honest with ourselves and facing the issues head on, in my opinion is integral in succeeding. After all, isnt that why we use substances in the first place? To "escape" aka forget about traumatic experience and numb ourselves into oblivion? As opposed to dealing with it, facing it and being transparent. Which if chosen to do so, equates to success in all aspects of our daily life. Again, no judgment and wish you well man.
I have also just seen your other post in the recovery lounge too buddy - I think you need to be honest with yourself about all this and address it. A big part of remaining sober after years of addiction is being honest with yourself and with others - how many years did we spend lying to ourselves and others close to us about what we were doing in years gone by about giving up or cutting down? You don't want to be that person anymore, humility is a huge part of remaining sober too and accepting our faults. The fact that you are riddled with guilt over all this shows that it truly means a lot to you also - if you were able to just forget and pretend it didn't happen then I don't think you have the ability to be honest with yourself, learn where you went wrong and get better long term.
You will get so much more respect and admiration for admitting this and being honest with your fellow group members and loved ones than just brushing it under the carpet. Relapse statistics are something like up to 85% with in the first few years of quitting so you are by no means the first to give in during a brief moment of weakness, what matters is that you learn form this and can identify what caused this to happen. There must have been some kind of underlying issues or stressors that caused this to happen after 2 years of sobriety. The first 2 years were very hard for me at times to stay away from alcohol, plenty of little things cropped up both good and bad that were a brilliant excuse for why I just needed 'to have a drink that night' then quit the next day but the one key thing that always kept me from falling is the utter devastation it would have on my training and mental state. Losing muscle & strength for absolutely nothing in return but a state of anxiety, paranoia and nausea resulting from a hangover was just something I was nowhere near willing to do just for an hour of living within a fake mindset.
I have Faith in you mate, do the right thing and deal with this and then move on just like you were doing before
I applaud you for having the courage to announce your relapse and acknowledging the guilt you feel. I would write down the triggers that led to the temptation and look to avoid them or acquire knowledge on the source of that temptation so you’re aware on what to do the next time you’re in that circumstance. You’ve made so much progress and you have to stay with that momentum. If you think you’re strong enough to overcome the circumstance that led to you having the relapse than I would continue as If it were a lesson, you’re not lying to yourself considering how far you came, you just experienced the consequences of your choice and are aware of the guilty conscience that manifests when you commit that action.
I’ve had my own substance abuse issues but not with opiates but have a brother who is dying because of his addiction to them. Researching the nervous system and the circadian rhythm has helped me overcome a lot of destructive habits. If you want, I can share articles with you as well as a few educational videos on how the mechanics works. Basically, you’re a culmination of individual computational sub selves (neurons) who assert influence over certain decision making. It’s a dualistic organizational hierarchy that comprises the highest self which is you but on the flip side, those neurons have their own influence that transmit signals for you to commit certain actions. It almost sounds like possession but according to certain neuroscientists, neurons remember. You have to regain control over those units. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Also, look into the triune reptilian brain which sounds like something religious but basically we have 3 brains-neo cortex=rational part (the evolved human)
Limbic/mammalian-emotional brain (predominant in mammals)
Hind brain/medulla(reptilian) reptiles possess only this portion.
We happen to possess all 3
I wish you nothing but a positive outcome and I’m willing to message you privately if you prefer.
I've got a past that includes opiates myself, it's been 8 years now since I've touched the stuff.
What worked for me?
The 12 steps, NA/AA, whichever place makes you feel more comfortable.
Advice? Go speak at the meeting.
Tell them what happened, where your at, and where you're planning on being tomorrow.
Our secrets only keep us sick. Getting it out in the open and being honest is one of the core fundamental aspects of recovery. For me it took changing who I was as a person through developing a spiritual change.
I've been off the drugs for 8 years, I wish I could say the same for alcohol. I relapsed on that, got off the stuff again, relapsed again, got off it again.
You know what I've found out though?
I'm always welcomed back to the rooms, and you know why?
Normal people can't always relate, but another real addict or alcoholic knows what it's like. If they're serious about being clean, they'll be more than willing to help you get back on the right path.
I'll be praying for you man.
Meetings, Gym, Clean Diet, Spirituality, the Steps...
It works, it's that simple.
Don't count it if it's going to make you think about it more. Just do whatever you can to put all that behind you.
Read my response below. Since I was labeled an addict at 20 it sent me into the rabbit hole even further since I thought about it all the time. I lost a college basketball scholarship(2 actually) even after being given a second chance. NA helps me find like minded people but it’s always on my mind when I’m going to those meetings. I want to stop thinking of myself as an addict and be known for who I am. And man they’d shit themselves if they found out about anabolics. But I’m healthier now than when I was snorting percs 20 times a day and I have an incentive to stay clean. Judgement exists everywhere but I guess it’s a part of life. Thanks for the advice brother.
I’m not trying to give you bad advice, but it’s only a full restart if you own it and tell everyone about it. That’s up to you. If you didn’t harm anyone, or yourself, you can simply move on and get back on the wagon. Chalk it up as a big mistake, and do your best not to let it happen again. I believe in AA and NA, although I also believe some people take it to a cult level. My advice would be to MoveOn, and don’t look back, and stay away from whoever got you to party again. People, places, and things will destroy you if you let them, and so will bad memories. Concentrate on your training, and MoveOn . Just let it go, you’re still alive, but next time you might not be, so try not to let there be a next time.
Lifted-presence92Exactly bro! You’re not working a program if so go pick up a desire chip or key tag man tbh no one really cares about your sober date but you to everyone else it’s just another day.
If that sounded kind of rude it wasn’t intended to be someone just told me that one day at its stuck with me every since.
Thanks man. Think I’m gonna decline Friday and tell some of my na friends I’m close with eventually. I’ve been slacking on meetings and I got too complacent. The 30s almost destroyed my life, nowadays they’re all fent and I have people who love me who would be devastated if I died. Thanks again man
Just be forewarned that your close NA friends may just be the ones to expose your slip, and make you own up to it. Just keep it to yourself, and thank God for pulling you through this and stay clean. NA is a lifestyle. They live to remind you that you are forever an addict, I don’t agree with that bullshit. Some people actually do change for the better, and wearing a big Scarlet Letter to be a part of the NA club can hurt you too. I lost a great job opportunity years ago because I was taught to be proud of my sobriety. I realized that day that the struggle is mine, and sharing it with the right people is up to me. No one is going to be proud of your sobriety except the people that love you. Everyone else will see you as addict who will eventually slip again. I went cold turkey for years, and then realized that I could still have drink or smoke a joint without going on a total coke bender. I no longer consider myself an addict, but know that I definitely have addictive tendencies, so I do have to talk myself out of overdoing everything, not just pot, steroids, or alcohol. I can get addicted to anything I really like. Once I realized that, I realized that it’s up to me, and only me to make the right choices. There’s a wrong way, and a right way. The right way is ALWAYS harder, but the rewards are always greater. I’m going to be 53 years old, and could only wish someone wrote this to me a long time ago, because my life would have been a lot easier. Godspeed, Bro!
I agree with this to a point. I would agree that there always isn't the best sobriety in NA and that a number of people there have bad intentions, but that is not everyone though and its easy to figure who the winners are. Stick with the winners. I myself just go to AA even though alcohol has never been my problem. I just find there to be more sobriety there. AA tends to have more people with long periods of clean time and willing to help newcomers. I don't think keeping it to yourself is the answer though.
Thank you this means a lot genuinely. I have a habit of telling people I shouldn’t be telling about my sobriety and being proud of it like you said, thinking they’ll see it the same way. In hindsight, I can see that lots of people distanced themselves from me and I could never figure out why. Statistics say most of us will continuously relapse and use until we end up in jail or dead, and people with no experience don’t understand us. I will say I disagree that I can go back to painkillers. Maybe some klonopin for anxiety and a beer or 2 but something about opiates really hit my brain in a way that makes me want to do it over and over again. Anabolic have actually made me the healthiest I’ve been. I care enough about making gains and looking good too much to go back down the rabbit hole. Fuck what people think of me, I haven’t even been to my home group in 2 months anyway. Since being labeled and addict at 20 years old I almost accepted that as my identity and that’s not who I am. I threw away a scholarship for basketball, a girl who loved me until she couldn’t, and lost my families trust. I’m sick of being labeled as in recovery but at the same time it is nice to have people I can talk to about this stuff without judgement.
Ok, that’s exactly what I’m talking about, and it took me a REALLY long time to realize it. Only you can move on and forward. You have to leave the past in the past, along with the people who remind you of your past. That includes family members that no matter how good you do in life,, will always slide in a reminder of your big mistakes simply to remind you that they haven’t forgotten. I literally cut off both of my sisters for this reason, and realized that my life is a lot better without them in it. Ya see, as much as it’s hard to admit, once people know you as an addict, they will never fully trust you again. Deep down, they are just waiting for you to fuck up again, especially if you’re doing good in life, and super especially if you’re in good shape and train regularly. It’s like they want to see you fall because your life makes their life feel lame, and reminds them how sloppy and out of shape they are. Now to make themselves feel better, they will tell themselves that you traded opiates for steroids. It might actually be true, but used responsibly, it’s a much better alternative for me. These days I know what it’s like to feel good all the time, which was never the case since I was about fifteen years old. Now, sometimes on the weekends I have a drink or three, or smoke a joint and really enjoy the buzz, I NEVER go overboard anymore. Ya know why? Because at 4:30am on Monday morning my alarm is going off and my ass is headed to the gym, regardless if I feel good or feel like shit, there are no excuses to miss a Monday workout, especially from partying to hard. If I wake up feeling like shit in the slightest way, I immediately feel like a loser, and if I even suggest not going to the gym to my wife, she would have no problem calling me a pussy, and ask me if over drinking was worth it. The embarrassment is more than I can bare, because I’m the reason she started training so hard to begin with. Like you said, I also enjoy the way I look and want to look better every day. Get in the way of that, and your a mortal enemy, be it a person, place, or a thing. Learn to live your best life, and try to forget you were ever an addict. It’s the only way everyone else will forget it. As much as I feel AA/NA serve a major purpose when going cold turkey, inalso believe it’s a business that someone, somewhere is benefiting from somehow, someway. Doesn’t have to be financially. For some people, it’s a better way of life. For me, I want to forget it even exists. I’m very thankful and appreciate the people who helped me when I was involved, and wish them well, but if I never see or hear from them again in my life, so much the better. I refuse to punish myself for the rest of my life for stupid mistakes I haven’t even considered making again in years. We were younger then. Too much to lose these days. This is the most I’ve discussed this with anyone in over thirty years, and as I type, all the horrible memories have been creeping through my brain, although if I can help you understand what helped me, I would do it a hundred times over because I’ll never forget how bad it sucked.