posted Sat, 01/30/2016 - 11:14
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My back regular back routine: starts with 1 smith deadlifts, 2: smith rows 3: t-bar rows with barbell
4:lat pull downs 5:seated cable rows
looking to add back width please add your suggestions 
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Yes you can add back width as well add programme sportif .
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Just read the whole thread and i have to say the kid does have at least ONE valid point to which i have to agree with.
You guys that enter every thread to give comments or advice about cycles, gear, training and nutrition are leaving yourselves WIDE OPEN to abusive comments by not having recent self pics.. OR worse still! none at all!!....... i mean come on, its a two way street guys... first thing i would want to see from anyone giving me advice is .. How do they look!.. Have they got the credentials!.... its Human Nature to see something and think "fuck yeah! i want some of that! this guy knows his shit!........ or then on the other hand he views your pics and thinks Nah.. that guy doesnt have what im looking for etc etc.
I am seeing numerous threads were the OP is dishing shit out because of this problem, in my mind it would make things far simpler (and cut the shit out) if a noob could see what YOU looked like!!.... that includes having real stats advertised as well because i know that quite a lot of stats are false too regarding our higher karma info givers.
Like i have said a million fkn times untraceable pics are easy to post for ANYONE.... i dont give a fuck who you are or what bullshit excuse you choose to make...... an arm, a leg a back shot..... i dont care what the fuck you do but i know it is possible, and ALL negative excuses are just weak imo.
Anyway.... thats just my opinion, its your choice at the end of day to post real stats and pics... or just keep taking flak because someone believes that you are a pencil neck fkn keyboard warrior.
EXAMPLE ;...... We dont see guys like Guitarplayer1 taking any flak... why?.. because he proudly shows the package that backs up his words.. Hell!!.... his pics speak thousands of words... so he really doesnt need to fkn type if he chose not too.
See what i mean?....... back up your words with some real deal proof!.. and shut these whiney kids up for good.
And this is why I have not taken them down. I've contemplated it many times but if I'm going to talk the talk I best be walking the walk.
Would anyone here hire a coach or a trainer without ever seeing the guy? Of course not, let's not fool ourselves. So yes when a member is asking for advice and getting hammered by guys with no stats or pics then why should he take anything you say seriously. Now on the flip side, I've been here long enough to realize that certain members may not have pics up but I can read that they know what they are talking about through experience and not through google, but the new guys have no idea who they are dealing with.
Yo Tony...no need to defend yourself bro. I myself and many others have seen you and your wife. You two are old souls for your age. Pretty fucking uncommon for your generation.
At the end of day it should be about attitude and tone as well as how you carry yourself and speak, respectfully, on Eroids. Its pretty obvious stats and pics can be faked, which in my opinion, was what nyerk332 and nyerk9000 was doing. He even stated he has been around here a long time. Bottom line is that he was starting an argument and being disrespectful. At that point who wants to post anything up to help a TROLL?..The general consesus is most likely no one, especially a pic. Now, if a member is being cordial and asks for a couple members to post a pic, then i see no problem with that becuz thats part of the education process. A pic can be used wisely as a guide...like your forearm pic....or they can represent an ambience of fakeness, which is what the troll with 2 accounts was trying to do...in my opinion...and the reason why i say this is because he didnt need help with his back as evidenced by his pics even if that was really him...
this is a good point you have brought up.... thanks
I totally agree with you in the sense that some of the loudest voices never put up a pic. Others do get a pass because there is enough evidence that they are being truthful and have a damn good reason for not publicly posting pics. (Cat and Ed come to mind) but others frankly, are just full of shit.
I know in my three years here I have completely changed my appearance and have come a long way but I still rarely offer advice and if I do it is only in regards to subjects I am very confident in. That is an area several guys lose sight in as well. If you are not familiar or even mastered a subject you should probably defer to someone that is.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
dont forget flash, the amount of haters that would love to find me and try hurting me or fucking me over, that scandal 6 months ago is proof, that was the other side of the planet, not to mention the other stuff/ people we have chatted about and the fact a few of them live close by, i will not post a pic on here, not because of the cops but because of that reason................irishmack has seen my pictures, i have nothing to hide, im not a monster but i go alright forsure.
I have seen them too bro...arms crossed with ink....you are big and muscular...
lol yes that photo was a while back, i posted the whole pic with my face and tatts lol and i wrote the fuck the police hahahahah ill never do that again, im 9 kgs heavier/ bigger now.
Like you say, "let the pictures speak for themselves shall we".
Thats how i see it brother.
Like a car show...impressive to see the work done on the cars. The owners park them in a row and visually it's easy to tell when there has been tons of work put into it. The owners admire eachothers car and ask questions and shoot the shit about eachothers car. We are all custom cars, some with more modifications than others nevertheless we all continue to tinker and wrench on our diet, lifting, compound protocol to have the baddest ass muscle car we can roll around in!
I do have a bad ass car ;-)
Pink Lambo!
I have no online traceable presence and it's written into my employment contract that I can't even have stuff like a Facebook account, (not that I want it), due to historical events involving animal rights activists and problems for people in my line of work.
If that means people don't take my advice as worthwhile, so be it. I'd understand if they felt that way. Nothing I can do about it that doesn't involve me potentially jeopardising a highly paid career. That's way more valuable than eroids credibility.
You do understand my point though......... people love to see Beef on the Bone and these new kids i have noticed are taking advantage of the fact some have no pics and targeting them for negative comments.... its happened a few times over the weekend so thats why its fresh on my mind and this thread seemed a nice spot to empty my head.
Like anything else on here.......... its each to his own.
I am in no way a huge person. Yes, i am bigger, since i started using AAS. And, i can actually see where the scronny dawgs could get a boost from a pic, especially the first-timers just starting out.
Absolutely. The only thing I would say in return is a lot of these twats would argue anyway, it's just their nature. The game has changed as you and I have discussed, not sure our perception of how / when to use steroids is even understood anymore. Maybe time for a change of tactics.
Yes, i agree with you on the arguing, too. The change of tactics could range from not arguing back to carrying on a simple dialogue thats not brash, but respectful enough to make a valid point regarding the nature of the subject....
I have thought long and hard about this........... only thing i can think is just total ignorance to each and every stupid post.......... just read it!.. no comments left and simply move on....... dont give the fucks ANYTHING to chew on whatsoever.
Correct!!............. our way, the real way!..... is defunkt now because these modern users are steroid junkies!!!!........ short term or no goal at all is what they seem to have in abundance.
Defenitely true. Where there is a will, there is a way, though. Responding to a stupid post takes time and intelligence, especially if trying to keep the subject matter real and on course. If a person is teachable, finding and understanding their learning style shouldn't be difficult, especially on Eroids. We do, however, have to sit the occsional "class clown" in the corner...
Bolt posted something a few weeks back that really struck home with me. I used to lift to make me bigger and stronger than others. I liked being that way. The older I get, the more I realise I lift because I like lifting, the other stuff is merely a biproduct of doing something I like. I think a lot of us older guys are the same, both here and in real life.
What we have coming through the he door now are people that want to look a certain way, and the path of least resistance is the best way. They don't want to do the work, it's a "necessarily evil". That's where your phrase "steroid junkies" comes into play. Can't train without steroids, don't WANT to train without steroids.
Maybe we need to change our position. Maybe this I s 21st steroid use and our "old school" methodologies are almost defunct? I hope not...
Humbled by the name drop by a guy I admire here. Anyhow I believe "old school" is the foundation on which anyone should want to build upon. Tried and true!
Likewise mate, you've been a fantastic addition to the site since your arrival.
You for one know who i roll with up north here and i meet up with and speak on the phone quite regularly... Pro,s, guys that we see in the magazines and my close friends who more or less rule the roost in the top 2 organisations........ none of these guys or the lads that they have under their wings runs stacks anything like what we see popping up in here from guys who havnt even built a base yet.
Old school methodologies are definitely not defunct...... but they are nearly Dead and Buried on Internet forums..... old schoolers will take flak....... but the Bostins and Pianas will get cheers from these kids because they offer what is seen as the easy option..... TONS of juice and very little insight into what is the real common denominator ..... years of gut wrenching fkn hard graft, and an even stronger commitment than a guy gives to his marriage (for instance).... in my case it cost me a marriage lmfao!
We do know a few of the same people that's for sure! Dropped into Eddies gaff at the weekend for a snoop around btw.
I don't mind the flak personally. I've said it before, it annoys me much more when I see some if you guys getting it than when it's directed at me. I find it tiresome, but rarely bothers me any more than that. I just find that recently it's more prevalent. Either that or I'm getting grumpier.....
Eddie Abbu is a good guy......... he was great back in his comp days and has created some champs too, first time i ever met him back in the early 90s i was awe struck by the size of his thighs (i had never seen anything as big in the flesh before).... it was his tip of weighted lunge walking post leg workout that really got me popping thigh stretch marks..... he was also a believer in the 3 big meals per day approach... and he was a fkn big monster lol........... assisted ultra heavy shoulder press with controlled negatives was also something else i stole from eddie....
Ever heard of a guy called Charles Claremont?... i used to train with him back in the day and he has THE best physique my eyes have ever viewed....... i will try to find a pic link and drop it here in a minute..... should blow a few minds when the guys see this......... a real bodybuilder, not a bloated slin fuck pig.
Here............ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=charles+clairemont+bodybuilder&espv=2&...
I remember Charles Clairmont when they used to actually televise bodybuilding events back then. The guy had great symmetry and mass. The lineups back then blew away what we see now as far as aesthetics.
A couple of questions about those assisted shoulder presses.
Is there a certain rep range your staying in?
Do you incorperate these in the offseason or do you do them all year round?
I've used the assisted negatives with great success with incline barbell presses, but my goal was to increase my poundages for that particular lift. Is that what you're trying to achive here or we looking for muscle growth?
Offseason only use bro, i use them for strength building and growth is a good side-effect lol
6 is about the max negative reps i can usually get..... this would be with an assisted press to the top position with roughly double what my shoulder press would be so we are talking approx 200kg......... real slow controlled negative ... then my spotter will heave that bastard back upto the top position for me to endure more pain.
I usually do these as the last exercise in the shoulder routine, delts and traps are usually fried then and these Negs just force me to go the extra mile. Primary muscles get hit really hard. and they stimulate a lot of secondary action as well...... as usual form is imperative to safe guard lower back injuries.
Inzer cranked up tight and smelling salts dont go amiss either to really put the hammer down.
Sets is non existent here.... Total failure is the name of the game.
You bet I'll be incorporating those come Thursday when delts and traps are scheduled. Another tool added to the belt.
Priceless information Viking, also alot more interesting then the useless post that have been popping up as of late. Thank you
He's still got monster sized quads!
I certainly remember Charles, very refined physique.
Hey Vike! Like you, I have always loved the sport of bodybuilding and have been following it for decades!
I remember Charles from back in the day! Sheer perfection of a physique!
Here's a video of him posing circa 1990! For you and all the brothers, enjoy!
http://youtu.be/U4RKiIw4tV8
And one more from the Arnold classic I believe with a critique from Arnold! First Arnold says he doesn't think Charles will make it to the top 5 or 6! He soon takes it back! Charles looks phenomenal!
http://youtu.be/B9Px7QORdVM
Pure class.
Complete aesthetic package with size!........ what more can a man want but that.
Thanks Theo
You are most welcome brother Vike! And agreed, just a beautiful physique on display!
I'm certain that you both shared some very valuable information in conversations!
Indeed, you've trained with some of the best! Be well my friend!
When he hits that most muscular in the first video...christ almighty brother! Unbelievable striation with incredible size in his delts! His arms are just pure awesome as well!
Agreed brother Bolt! Pure poetry in motion! Suffice to say, a sensational bodybuilder!
Ive literally watched the video on break, and lunch today at work. The perfection speaks for itself!
I see his and others. The first one, though, what his weight and height? I see his other ones after scrolling down...looks like when he first started...is he ecto? Nice.
this is eddie..........
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eddie+abbew&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=643&tb...
He looks like he weighs more than Charles. But, nonetheless, an impressive physique. Thank you, sir.
Yes he was bro...... but look at the lines and the cuts he created back then, guys like him were my inspiration....... that is the look of a bodybuilder that was impressed in my mind from an early age and what i tried to emulate.
I see them. He was 70" and 237 lbs. Determined, dedicated and diligent.
He is still active and training............ there is a video on youtube with him now at a ripe age.
let me see if i can find that for you bro....... if i can i,ll drop the link here
if you watch this one it shows him stood next to Dorian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiBmK6G_9Hc
Gave me goose bumps bro...i saw Dorian, too. Thanks, Vike. Much appreciated. Charles was a big guy...he looked 260 before his cut...he is ecto...thats some good caloric intake...
These were the guys that i looked up to........ and any opportunity for a conversation i would be draining their brains for tips and info......... training and nutrition only, because gear was never spoken about then... it was very underground even in body-building circles, if a guy even mentioned the word "steroids" whilst in a group or a seminar he would be given the Death eye and shut down real quick.
when i said im on one............... i meant i am on that video lol........... cant point it out but im there alright lmfao!
I thought you meant you were on a roll...lol..i will look again.....
Thank you...
i was looking at Eddie's Olympian Gym in UK. Is he a nurse, too. Cool!
I can find it...no biggie...thanks...pics make a difference with everything. I will post up pics in my profile...that way they are there...when i get a raise, i will be able to buy more food, then maybe i can get to 225...lol