posted Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:10
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High volume/supersets for mass gain?
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I been watching this guy Juan Morels programs and he supersets every exercise, I had tried it for my back and was unusually sore the next day, what are your thoughts on this for gaining mass?
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Similar to what warp said below. Im doing Yates HIT style training and after dialing in where your failure point is, two warm up and one working set to failure has been working wonders for me.
for more than a year i trained by doing just 1 heavy set of 8 reps per exercise and worked great, give it a chance and stop the "more is better" stigma
pers i like it but like others i really mix it up. mainly i pay attention to how my body feels. if a joint or ligament feels sore ill lighten the load and use supersets, drops, really focus on flexing the muscle, mind to muscle, etc.
when im good i do throw in some heavy compounds. i do try to throw in 1 heavy exercise every time if i can then follow it up with a lighter higher reps followed by supers, drops etc.
being in my 40s i really learned to go by how i feel.
good luck, good thread to start i love reading peoples feedback as we got some super knowledgeable people on this board.
There is a reason why a lot of pros train in high volume, very high reps, supersets, little rest etc and its part of a bigger picture that the average gym rat would not benefit in the same way. I will not elaborate on this any further
I would stick to the basics and what works for most and anything under 20 reps is still key for mass gaining in almost all exercises.
i like to go really heavy 3 times a week m/w/f, heavy compound movements, slow, controlled and heavy, time under tension and exploding to the top, on tues and thurs i like doing the high reps, lighter weights faster contractions, get the burn/ pump, it conditions the bulk, getting the best of both worlds, ill eat more carbs the night before my heavy days, more protein before my lighter days, it works for me, maybe try mixing it up a bit, find what works for you with a happy medium.
good luck.
I'm all for high rep/high volume training. I alternate 3 months of that, then 3 months of low rep/low volume.
AnonVolume training separates the large from The Fit. You can pick up a piano eh? Well I can pick that piano up and walk up a flight of stairs!!! Now I'm not talking about that cross fit bullshit. Volume training demands you know and listen to your body. Set a goal reach it. Then beat it. Set another....so on and so forth.
RustyhookerSore promotes growth. If you're not feeling some lactic acid then you're stagnant.
It's weird because the last few years I just can't get any muscle groups sore. Sure I get fatigue and usually limp out of the gym, maybe a little stiff, but never sore. I can blast them heavy or do high volume, no rest, superset crazy routines. When I leave the gym, I am done. Literally nothing left in the tank and muscles are shot but again, never get sore. Can't figure out why but I guess it's nice.
slow controlled negatives is what sets me up for DOMS. I usually stick around a 4 sec negative. If I am really frisky and up for punishment I will do 6 sec negatives. The amout of weight obviously has to be dropped but the soreness the following days goes up exponentially. I have even gone as far as doing 6 second concentric and 6 sec eccentric for 50 reps. Especially effective on the leg press if you really don't want to be able to walk for a few days.
I was the same way till I hired my coach. He pushed me to do more reps than I could..Even past failure he would spot for those extra couple of reps and boom I was sore! And we would do 3 different exersizes for one set.
mikeyg4321I'm even more weird.. :/ ex. Monday I do chest(like every other douche)(jk) Anywho so Tuesday comes and I'm not sore in my chest. However Wednesday first thing in the morning I'm sore.
You have super conditioned your body to all types of varying rep ranges to the point where your body can take a beating and not get sore.
TRY THIS, heavy sets 6-8 reps times 15 sets on a single exercise, compound movement of course, I will be very surprised if that does not give you soreness in the following days.
I was like this for while on back exercises then 1 day I did 15 sets of dead-lifts with 405 for 10 per set and couldn't move the next day
most people are likely to be conditioned more on volume then heavyness
Sounds painful. Will do. Thanks for the tip.
RustyhookerGenosolomon has ya correct. Good switch it up and grow.
Lactic acid buildup occurs during the exercise when your muscles are burning and telling you to stop. Lactic acid is cleared very quickly, and is back to baseline within hours. Burning the next day is not lactic acid, it's other things such as micro trauma to muscle fibers.
RustyhookerWithout that lactic acid your growth is impaired.
.. https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/muscular-hypertrophy-a...
That burn is definitely the key to growth. Many ways to get there including supersets.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ma...
Rustyhooker^^^^^^ supersets, giant sets and run the rack. All great for huge pumps and great gains.
mikeyg4321Did this on arms and I hate you
thanks bro
RustyhookerJust finished super sets on delts, tris and bis. Tomorrow is going to suck. Lol
nyerk332I had no idea what rustyhooker was talking about but it didn't help answer my question at all lol.
AnonYes you can grow working out any way you choose If you put what with it?..............
RIGHT!! 1000mg of Tren a week!!!! Whoa now stop it. Don't ban me. I fuckin around. The correct answer would me C A L O R I E S. I mean I'm just guessing but it sounds good
nyerk332true but we are looking for optimal results here in the shortest amount of time, I did a little reading on how high volume training in test subjects resulted in higher protein synthesis rates post workout....
AnonAgain calories homie. Food is the most anabolic thing you put in your body. Short term long term test deca Yada yada yada....if your not slamming the meals. You ain't growing. If you are and your picking shit up and putting it back down. Beast mode can be yours.
Rustyhooker. Magnifying glass up top. Best friend ever.