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To cycle, or not to cycle...

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I am planning the following light cutting cycle (shared previously):

300mg test e
200mg primo
48 mg tren ace (8 weeks)
100mg Mast (replacing tren at 8wks)
3iu GH

I've been cruising along at 140mg test and titrated up to 3iu GH over April and May. Lost no tissue or strength coming off my last cycle. I ran pre-cycle bloodwork and while there's some improvement, a lot looks the same as the bloodwork I ran 8 weeks ago at the end of my cycle:

AST 65-->70
ALT 80-->80
HDL 32-->38
LDL 86-->96
Hematocrit 46%-->48%

None of these are particularly worrying numbers, but I had hoped to see my liver enzymes improve (I know, I know, I shouldn't have done back the morning of the blood draw . . .), and I would have liked to see HDL back up in the reference range. It is weird my LDL worsened, but I'm not worried. My ApoB is still 89, so that hasn't moved either.

Any thoughts on the relative lack of change from immediate post-cycle bloodwork to 8 weeks on a health phase? My post cycle bloods pretty closely resembled my last pre-cycle bloods from November, so I'm thinking that might just be my TRT enhanced baseline.

Any thoughts on these markers from the wise minds assembled here?

OscarWildwood's picture

Elevated liver enzymes could be from hard training. I’d get GGT done to confirm that’s all it is if you’re concerned.

TeaBody's picture

You probably already know this but tren can give false readings on E2. So when you get your labs make sure you get the sensitive e2 test. The reason I bring this up is because that primo MIGHT be a little high at such a low dose of test, especially at your current bf%. Primo might bring your e2 levels lower than what you want. Just a reminder

Khandum's picture

If you was at 23 on e2 at 1400 total test, then the primo your gonna add is gonna crash you to single digits. Your gonna wanna die with how bad you will feel, you also leave yourself open to getting sick as well from low e2.

Why not just add more test, drop primo completely? The test is more anabolic then the primo, then do 200mg mast instead of 100mg and you’ll get the cosmetic look that you’ll want while also just being overall more strong in the gym from the test. I think you’re pissing your money down the drain fucking with the primo right now. Save it for a day for when you actually need it to manage high e2.

Khandum's picture

No i knew exactly what you meant with 1400 test, I wasn't referring to milligrams at all. Still though a 27 for e2 at 1400 test is really low, like crazy low. e2 isn't bad, and is actually neuroprotective, and is also anabolic as well, it also aids in muscle recovery, bone strength, energy and mood, oh and also joints as well...honestly probably much more things as well that i cant think of.

OscarWildwood's picture

HCG will bring up e2 some and plump your balls up as well.

Jockstrap's picture

1400....so you're already on cycle