To cycle, or not to cycle...
I am planning the following light cutting cycle (shared previously):
300mg test e
200mg primo
48 mg tren ace (8 weeks)
100mg Mast (replacing tren at 8wks)
3iu GH
I've been cruising along at 140mg test and titrated up to 3iu GH over April and May. Lost no tissue or strength coming off my last cycle. I ran pre-cycle bloodwork and while there's some improvement, a lot looks the same as the bloodwork I ran 8 weeks ago at the end of my cycle:
AST 65-->70
ALT 80-->80
HDL 32-->38
LDL 86-->96
Hematocrit 46%-->48%
None of these are particularly worrying numbers, but I had hoped to see my liver enzymes improve (I know, I know, I shouldn't have done back the morning of the blood draw . . .), and I would have liked to see HDL back up in the reference range. It is weird my LDL worsened, but I'm not worried. My ApoB is still 89, so that hasn't moved either.
Any thoughts on the relative lack of change from immediate post-cycle bloodwork to 8 weeks on a health phase? My post cycle bloods pretty closely resembled my last pre-cycle bloods from November, so I'm thinking that might just be my TRT enhanced baseline.
Any thoughts on these markers from the wise minds assembled here?
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Elevated liver enzymes could be from hard training. I’d get GGT done to confirm that’s all it is if you’re concerned.
You probably already know this but tren can give false readings on E2. So when you get your labs make sure you get the sensitive e2 test. The reason I bring this up is because that primo MIGHT be a little high at such a low dose of test, especially at your current bf%. Primo might bring your e2 levels lower than what you want. Just a reminder
DocMcGainsYeah, I wondered about that. As we'd previously discussed, on 140mg my E2 was 17pg/dl precycle. On most recent bloodwork my total test was 1400 and E2 slightly higher at 23pg/dl. I will start at the 2:3 ratio and see how things feel a month in, and then if everything feels fine get the sensitive assay at 8wks.
If you was at 23 on e2 at 1400 total test, then the primo your gonna add is gonna crash you to single digits. Your gonna wanna die with how bad you will feel, you also leave yourself open to getting sick as well from low e2.
Why not just add more test, drop primo completely? The test is more anabolic then the primo, then do 200mg mast instead of 100mg and you’ll get the cosmetic look that you’ll want while also just being overall more strong in the gym from the test. I think you’re pissing your money down the drain fucking with the primo right now. Save it for a day for when you actually need it to manage high e2.
DocMcGainsJust to be clear, I wasn't taking 1400mg total test, my total testosterone level on the most recent blood test was 1400ng/dl, 27pg/dl free test.
I definitely crashed my E2 with boldenone this last cycle, but found I could keep myself in range by running the EQ at 75-80% of my total test dosage, and EQ supposedly has a stronger AI affect than primo. When I have run moderate dose primo in the past, 70-80% of total test dose has been fine and not left me with crashed E2.
No i knew exactly what you meant with 1400 test, I wasn't referring to milligrams at all. Still though a 27 for e2 at 1400 test is really low, like crazy low. e2 isn't bad, and is actually neuroprotective, and is also anabolic as well, it also aids in muscle recovery, bone strength, energy and mood, oh and also joints as well...honestly probably much more things as well that i cant think of.
DocMcGainsGotcha- my misunderstanding. Infidel and I had this conversation awhile back. I tend towards low E2. I think that is why I responded so well to dbol- great libido, not a bunch of water, good pumps and gym performance. Aside from pushing test higher, low dose dbol (like 10mg/day), or getting fat, any ideas on how I might increase my E2? It is the opposite problem many guys face, so I don’t have much to work with.
HCG will bring up e2 some and plump your balls up as well.
1400....so you're already on cycle
DocMcGainsI was surprised how high it was just pinning 140mg/wk. I thought maybe the synergy with the GH? But that is a big jump from my last blood test at my cruising dose. The last few times I've run bloodwork on 140mg/week it has been 900-950ng/dl.