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+ 12 test prop and counting its value

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Ok let's do this thing! I have had this conversation 1000 times and again just now in PM. I have so many people tell me "I'm running 700 mg's of test a week because I'm hitting 100 mg's a day of prop". Or.."I'm running a gram plus a week of test since I'm hitting 150 ed split suspension". My reply is "No , you're not".
So let me ask, do you count the steak you ate Monday on your Friday caloric intake? Of course not, so why would you count prop you hit on Monday in Fridays test total for the week? Hell if we're counting test that we know is gone let's just count the whole fing yr's test in this weeks, right?
Give me your argument on this, either I don't get it or I can't explain it well enough to make others understand ( some do get it btw but others don't or I don't). Here's my argument, test prop falls off a cliff in free test blood plasma levels in 48 hrs. So let's go from half life to life and give it 72 hrs to be nice to it. So if I'm hitting 100 mg's ed the very most I can combine count the way we do long ester that is growing every damn week is 300. That's it that's max that's the most test you will have in your system impacting plasma levels in test ever at any one time....PERIOD.
Again, I'm not counting Mondays frito pie in Fridays cals because it is gone, its not even in my house anymore unless I forgot to flush and its sure as hell not in my body!
If you hit 700 mg's of test E split weekly the ester does not drop as quick as the pins go in your ass so you are actually growing the test count weekly having a higher impact on your free test blood plasma levels until the drop reaches the increase and then you maintain an average much higher than the max of 300 you might have in the 100 ed scenario with prop.
What say you? Agree/disagree/different perspective

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brian 34's picture

hahahahahah i hear ya bro!

racer50's picture

This has been a very useful thread!
I have been running prop 100 eod along with my regular high cruise of 250 Test E week.
I experimented with running the prop ed and seems like my body likes that more...except my skin doesn't (pin cushion). But I recently started monitoring with bp monitor and its just like tread says..it seems to be a decent way to tell whats going on with the ester decay and all..I will continue to invest in this more to see if I caan learn something more here.

subs33's picture

Tread I agree with you, mainly from previous experance. Also, experiance from TNE..TNE is in and out of your system so fast, its used as a preworkout only. Its best to not even count the test from TNE into your weekly Test dosage. Correct?

So, I guess I should increase my long ester test to 700mg a week along with Test p at 150mg eod.

subs33's picture

No wonder msus504, was tellin me about your knowledge..Once you explain it, it sounds like common sence..Ill stick with 500mg Test E a week. I Most def. will switch my Test prop dosage to 50 maybe 75mg ed. I have a feeling, I will be seeing some good gains the next couple weeks. I have already added an AI and switching to ed injections of Test Prop.(Probably 50mg ed)

Here's one more good question. Does all this apply to Propionate as an ester in general? Like would it be more benifitial to go ahead and run the Masterone Propionate ed aswell, due to the rapid decline of the halflife once peak value is reached.

brian 34's picture

bRO, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT TEST PROP BUT THE PROP ESTER. AND THE ESTER "TIME"
IS THE SAME IN ALL!

subs33's picture

Yes, I understand that. This discussion mainly explains that after Testosterone Prop. reaches its halflife it declines at a faster rate.

My question was about another compound Masterone Prop. I was just wondering if the compound and its ester "prop", after it reaches halflife it declines at the same rate as Testosterone and it ester Prop.

Try unlocking your caps. It seems you may be yelling at me. Thanks "BIG DAWG".

Also, the question was aimed at Tread. Thank You for your reply, though. Your The first person I ever read, pinned Prop only 3 times a week. Anyway, you can do what ya want.

brian 34's picture

eod is 3 times a week. im the first to ever do that? right on lol

brian 34's picture

everyones body takes gear diff. i have went as low as twice a week just for the sex drive because of the deca. there are many reasons people use prop. @ 3 times a week, i look great, so why would i do any diff? i feel the prop in "my" body for 3 days strong! AND IM NOT YELLING SUBS. lol i type and dont look up. hey. the you speeled dawg the way i do. u could be from my state. south east usa! but yea i love the test prop and the many things it does for "me". it hurts when my bro pins. i dont feel a thing. HUMAN GRADE i yelled that subs. i just took a sub. lol really

subs33's picture

Lol..I just got back from my sub doc...Hey what ever works for you, is all that matters, B..Somebody downvoted you, above. Im goin to upvote you because your just stating what works for you. Not givng advice.

Who ever downvoted, please comment why..Goth and Grrl have the abilty to see who downvoted people. Brian was just explaining what works for him, not giving bad advice.

brian 34's picture

good looking out suds33. u are a stand up bro.

train80's picture

just took a sub as in buprenorphine? with test? smh

subs33's picture

I take a sub, as in buprenorphine e/d. While on test. Im slowly tapering off, I may just maintain for a bit longer.

My training partner and best friend, of 14 years decided he wasnt goin to do the suboxone program and continue to due his heavy duty meds instead..Well, he is now dead..Left behind a beutifull family..smhhhh, is right.

brian 34's picture

you re very right. alot of bros that use "prop" (make sure i stay on topic)and work out hard with good gear, look like they are very healthy, in reality, with out good gear, you would see what they really look like. subutex really is healping our bros live a good life and back in the gym w/o pain meds etc. to the "guys" thinking im off topic, this got brought up because me and subs33 were talking about the prop. ester when i asked about his name. we could have saved a life bringing this up. thumbs up to the name subs? and i hope you figured out if prop is the same half life in all gear, because i would like to know? hate to hear about your buddy subs. i have a number of friends dying because not taking subs. AND THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A SUB IS. well some more do now. ITS A PILL THAT HELPS YOU NOT WANT PAIN MEDS AND EVEN WORSE THINGS.

subs33's picture

One more comment and ill leave the subject alone...Tread pretty much covered everything in this thread.

You will not believe, how many members are on suboxone/subutex..I have lots of friends and PM most of them on a regular basis. Id say at least 40% of my Eroid friends admitted to being in the suboxone program.

subs33's picture

Ya, im just using it as a preworkout...However, test is test and I agree that if a person would inject Test no Ester twice a day. Once in the morning and then, about 10-12 hours later. I feel levels would be stable enough to count the TNE. Correct?

However, treads analogy makes alot of sence.

So, keep TNE preworkout and Test P. ed and I should be GTG.

subs33's picture

I understand..lol

subs33's picture

Thanks, I guess Ill go everyday with the Test Prop. take another pin today..lol

subs33's picture

Your right, I uped to 150mg eod for a few days..Starting today im going to do 50mg ed..So, it would be cutting 1/3rd of the dose..Right on, im GTG with my dose and my AI.

subs33's picture

Lol, thier you go debating the most highly rank and respectable member here and your only 20 and never used AAS. LOL

What you read makes alot of sence, simply because your taking your information from Textbooks. However, anybody who has actualy ran a Test P cycle only, would agree with Tread..Because of thier experiance. If your goin to debat the all knowing tread, then back it up with your sources.

Im not debating you on the fact eithier. Im just helping you out.

subs33's picture

I gave you a point for having the balls to debating tread..However, I feel tread would know the real facts and it would help your case to back it up with 3 sources. His information in the past has helped many members grow bigger, stronger and faster. Nuff said!

subs33's picture

Like I said, what your saying makes sence. So basicly, to keep your test levels elevated high enough for muscle gains, it would be wise to inject ed or eod. This is all basic 101..Half-life math...

subs33's picture

Well then a point for taking the time and writing a good reply. I would be interested to read treads reply. Also, Im not debating you..Your Research make alot of sence.

subs33's picture

When you say equilibrium, are you meaning its peak (half-life) right before it declines?

roidrage79's picture

Yea I agree with you, if your using prop, due to the drugs ester it's gone within 48-72 hrs. Therefore you cannot say I'm running 700mg per week at 100mg ed, that shot you took that previous week has long since left your system, and is doing nothing to increase levels. But in saying that I don't think 100mg ed of prop would be any less effective as say 700mg week of enth or cyp.

gcgeargold's picture

that last bit is what i'd like to know,

boots2asses12's picture

duh

boots2asses12's picture

lol

gcgeargold's picture

i get what ur saying, does that also mean it should be fine/safe to bump it up a bit more aswell? i normally do around 700mg a week of test cyp when on cycle so would 1.5-2mls of test p ed put keep around the same amount of test flowing through me? if u get what i mean.

prob comes across as a stupid question lol just never thought of it that way u just put it,

ac89's picture

Never really thought about it in that way but it makes sense though