Thats the general idea you can find an actual chart for this on the net. Point being in a long ester for a period of time levels actually build which means you count the weeks test and then some . With prop after looking at the half life in a short time you have achieve perfection in levels. They essentially are falling off almost as fast as going in so we don't add the weeks mg's persay. Lets use 100 ed for the sample and say we want to have the wrporth of 700 by weeks end in our system. We can't expect that simly because the "worth" of Mondays shot is no longer with us on Friday. In that scenerio the most there would ever be in your system as to worth is 300. With the long ester building faster than depleting the worth does actually build to match a weeks mg's.

Lol...it is that picture dear! I'm glad it drove you as crazy as it does me though, I don't feel so lonely now ; )

I'm going to rep you for the effort and for using the term "sexual desire". Its under used in my opinion because I KNOW HOW TO COUNT PROP VALUES AND DO IT RIGHT! lol

Ok then...if lil Billy take in 2000 cals ed for 7 days
2000 cals x 7 = 14,000 cals
Math works for me too, so you start counting cals and prop by the week and I'll count both by the day as the bloods indicate should be the case ; P
You are actually the only one here that surprised me, you usually get this stuff?

No sorries, I love this topic as confusing as it seems. So I think you hit the nail on the head b ut I think you did so with your protein analogy rather than winnie. In fact especially rather than with winnie given its short half. So lets use winnie and protein since you touched on it. You said "you don't calculate caloric intake for the week". So I ask why not? Your answer of course would be "well, todays calories are gone tomorrow". So that has made my point....if todays winnie is gone tomorrow why are you still counting it a week from now? Your analogy with the protein at the bottom simply had yolu counting protein daily and winnie weekly but hthey are the same thing at the end of the day. The logic for not counting protein by the week also applies to winnie we just have not applied it mostly. I watched a study unfold by where bloods were drawn daily with prop shots every 24 hrs. The bloods showed that free test b lood plasma levels fell off a cliff at 48 hrs just like winnie would do at 24 and protein would do at 24 so it has always puzzled me why we are still counting those compounds a week later. I hope that helped L, my point is I do things for reason and not out of habit just because everyone else did it that way. There is simply no more of a reason to count winnie a week from npw unless thatg same reasoning is applied to calories. Does that make any more sese of it to you? Thanks for the reply and taking the time ; )

"I don't believe its 100% accurate". I think you're right, I think maybe 80% have a "similar" experience and 20% a very different one based on many things. In my case for example, I can feel prop in under 48 hrs and it will show up in bp elevation in under 24 testing it with a 200 mg shot. My difference may be that I pull shbg in control early on and in others case they may need a week or even longer to control that value with test injections and not feel the effects nearly as quick. I see your points on "suppose it might work for TNE/susp" but you can simply chart the activity from susp to prop to E etc and draw the similar conclusion with prop. I don't necessarily trust the roid calculator in the human experience in the way I do the actual human experience in lab testing. I'll try to find the larger study I read on once upon a time and link it. In that study. Test prop began full elevation from 12 through 40+ hrs and then with continued blood tests through the duration of the test it drops in dramatic fashion at the 48 hr mark. So in the scenario you point out in math by where you achieve some stability at 72 hrs, I believe that is correct. The problem ther is the study did not determiine when the "individuals" each personally "Felt it kick" which would be very different for each individual such as is different between you and I.
I think the "feel it kick" issue is resolved by seeing where an individuals estro is, where their SHBG is and the overall total values in virtually all hormone. In an individual with very low test that realization may come much earlier than in an individual with normal or high test as well. At the same time that may be very off as well, the individual with very low test is also very likely to have very high SHBG, in which case not only is what little natty test they have being robbed, the new prop injections will be robbed as well for the period of time it takes for the new test injections and or AI to drive it down. In that scenario you might see an individual not feel the kick for even 2 weeks even though the blood tests would have shown the test elevation all the way back to day 2. Those individual factors will play huge rolls in the actual effects in est use but I can assure you , all of the individuals in the study had marked and measurable test increase at 48 hrs and likely a degree of tability at 72 even if "full" stability was not the case due to other factors.
Now we have to factor in a persons shutdown. If someone is in relatively normal state of test ratio and even if all other markers are in the normal range, someone has the serious possibilty of not "feeling the kick" until the process of negative feedback loop in the axis has occured to the time and degree necessary to deplete LH production from the pituitary. In that scenario true to varying degree in all of us other than those cruising, the scale on one side is having to drop as the opposite side is raising and that acual feeling of kick not be present until the scales have had time to change and elevation well beyond that individuals natty has occured.
So you can see, in just a couple of scenarios you can explain the difference in the "individual" and there are likely at least 100 othe variables, still not taking from the facts that the bloodwork will show in reality which is the 48 hr cliff.

Finally, some nice info! As Madden would say " that's the ole piss jug fleeflicker right there!"