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Just a quick question for you folks. Does NPP or Deca actually help with shoulder issues or does it just mask the pain?

giardap's picture

No difference to 1g!!
straight up take away is you just dont need it, it just causes the body to plateau
Now I know the bigger powerlifters and bb'ers use multi g's and become beasts, so I know what it can do when used with other taboo bits and pieces, but for the general pop, it just doesnt really work this way
you would have to be force feeding 12K cals, using taboo products and then the multi g's of AAS, but thats gonna kill you eventually ya know
and regardless the body plateaus
IGF Lr3 helps break plateaus though, definitely to be considered
I guess what I am saying is that there is not an exponential increase in either growth or strength when you go to 3g's or 2, whatever!

I dont really do strength programs, moreso a few weeks of strength as part of a hypertrophy oriented program, if that makes sense

For strength, dianabol plus anadrol comobo is where it is at as far as I see

alekaras's picture

yeah I get your point,I I ve just wondering cause from 1 g of test to 1,6 g the difference was day and night ...so are the sides though!! and yes iv tried the dbol drol combo 75 mg each strength was unreal but felt like shit after 3 weeks and quit it !!

giardap's picture

Zero sides to be experienced from 1g to 3g of nandrolone, when test is low enough
Its the test that does it

what was the 1.6 g cycle looking like?

yeah orals are tricky.
back in the day i tolerated dbol so well. no i cant stomach it for the most part, but adrol i eat all day
Ive run it at 240mg ED for months. No changes to liver values
orals are shit in general in my opinion. but look, some people love the strength stuff, hence the crazy tren deca test dbol drol combo's out there
bye bye heart though

lol

alekaras's picture

nothing fancy just test e 1'6 a week ,adex 0,5 three days a week ...drop it to 900 mg and add 300 tren e after 7 weeks cause I felt like totally shit !!

giardap's picture

yeah it is funny isnt it, well you know your limit I guess!!!
I spoke to another lad recently, he can run close to 1g test with no need for an ai at all, the lucky fucker.
but yeaj there comes a point where the switch flips
for me its around 350mg and waterballoon!

dextetherdog's picture

Deca will add liquid to your joints that will make you feel better, however if you have a joint issue and keep killing them with heavy weights, Deca won’t help.
If you however were using Deca and lower the pressure on your joints by dropping weights and avoiding the exercises that cause the pain then I believe it will help.

Harley1969's picture

A little back story. I had a 345 natural bench. My brother in law introduced me to test and tren for my 1st and 2nd cycle. I know, stupid but it’s before I discovered eroids. Too strong too quick I guess because I got up to a 435 bench the middle of my 2nd tren cycle. Nagging shoulder pain every since. It comes and goes. Went to the dr and his 1st question when I took my shirt off was are you on steroids. They took an exray and told me I needed Cortizone shots . Well of course they couldn’t tell anything by the x-ray and I haven’t been back . I guess I’ll take a couple months off from Flat benching see how that goes. I appreciate all the response.

press1's picture

Its funny as I got quite a lot of shoulder pain as I passed through that benching weight - then when I got onto the heavier stuff I've never had any problems. Trenbolone definately isn't the best compound for helping shoulder joints during flat bench due to dehydration issues thats the problem I've found.

Makwa's picture

Nandrolone doesn't do a dang thing for my joints.

stairmaster's picture

It helps as long as u run it , if u want a recovery that lasts for a long time try bpc, tb500 or marine fish extract injections.

johnmarshall12's picture

Decca has been long known for it's positive affects on connective tissue. Whether or not it is a permanent solution has not been shown in studies!

press1's picture

Growth Hormone overall is supposed to be the best compound for connective tissue and collagen regeneration.

Kgp's picture

Define shoulder issue.

It helps lubricate joints but if you have a rip or tear in your tendon, or any serious shoulder problem it will not help.

Ogmudbone62113's picture

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ashop's picture

Ditto, good stuff nagging little injuries like this.

robb's picture

I think basically it's the increase in water retention that's helps with the pain. I'd say it masks it, possibly making things worse in the long term.

I will say for making things worse by masking the pain, I can't ever remember reading of someone complaing about using a nandrolone to for that purpose and now suffering the consequences.

I'm sure there's plenty who use say 200mg deca for therapeutic reasons.

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press1's picture

x2 You'll find its kind of the same feeling when loading up on Dbol, anadrol or creatine whereby the water retention in the joint cushions and lubricates it all - easing the pain by stopping things rubbing together and increasing strength with extra leverages from the water and glycogen in there.

Harley1969's picture

Thanks Robb. I was thinking along those likes as well. I’ve been off NPP for about 4 months now. No pain while on but now flat benching is starting to hurt!!