I think im in deep shit! Please help!!!
Just finished my first 10 wk test cycle at 500mg weekly. This is my 1st week of pct, im on 100mgs of clomid and 20 mgs of novla. The thing is when i first got in to aas my stupid freind that got me in to aas said when im on cycle A.Is were not needed and 20mg of nolva would do. So like a idiot i took 20mg of nolva everyday for my whole cycle and pct. I can now already feel the sympons of gyno my right nipple is getting really puffy, additionally i feel like i have to puke all day. Can this be liver failure from the nolva? My liver does not hurt though i just feel like puking all day. can it just be from a high estrogen level that i have to puke? Do i up the nolva because i can feel the sympots of gyno? this possibly cant be liver failure right?
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cdaddy7At this point he should get some bloodwork and follow that protocol bc It's just a guessing game without the bloodwork but It's safe to say that i bet his Estrodiol number is real high
lab work my brother. only way to find out whats really going on.
ok thx man but for now while i wait for aromasin/letro to get here should i up the nolva dosage?
adding aromasin would be awesome.. letro would be something to look into if you still have enough money after that in fact i insist you look into both to use one after the other. PCT should look like clomid 100/100/50/50, nolva 40/40/20/20.. Blood work would be a biggy, I don't think you have liver damage but if you want to puke all day it's prlly best to get bloods done and see what's going on!
cdaddy7Ur nausea is more than likely from Nolvadex and extreme anxiety from this cluster fuck...the only thing that can help u is letrozole protocol if u are having gyno issues and usually Nolvadex blocks the estrogen at the breast tissue but does not stop gyno completely ....that is why we recommend AI on cycle....I'm sure ur estro level is nice and high....get Letro ASAP....here's the protocol to use....compliments of Uncle GS9902
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-E* nolva
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro
** For Letro use only no nolva or adex
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro
This protocol is the same protocol I have put a co worker on and achieved full gyno suppression.
It can be found here: http://www.basskilleronline.com/gynoprevention.shtml
ok thx cdaddy-o ill be using this guide with nolva and clomid
cdaddy7Good luck brother and just learn from this and it will b a positive thing and u can help someone else bc u been ther and kno now
thx for the kind words, im always learning new things about aas. i will pass on this knowledge to my fellow brethren
If gyno can be gotten rid of, this is the way!!!! nice post bro
i like this
i dont understand, what u mean by gyno symptoms , how could u be having gyno symptoms when u were taking nolva (an estrogen blocker). also im not saying that ur not havin gyno symptoms but i dont understand it. if u do get gyno, hit the doctors immediately. r u sure ur not just suffering from low testostrone
Anonyou should have done more research before starting this cycle bro... no way is it liver failure.... get some adex or aromasin.....like now,, and keep it on hand from now on and 20mg of nolva is not enough
you are so lucky I cant curse in here.
This is not liver failure. It is very important that you get a lab done to see exactly how out of whack your system is right now. Telling you take a bunch of differnt compounds without knowing labs at this point is like pissing on a house fire. Do not up nolva you NEEDED aromasin .. even your pct protocol is off..
tread-mI endorse this message. Lol. Best advice here G thang.
ok thx ill be getting my bloodwork done this week.thank god its not liver failure i was getting so paranoid
should i take milk thistle with the nolva and clomid or at a diff time? and it is okay to take nolva and clomid at the same time? lastly what time of the day do you take nolva and clomid. And thanks for the fast response man
Listen to the green girl she knows her shit
just turned 25 im about 185 lbs with 9-10bf . i started feeling like i needed to puke right when i started pct. it wasnt when i was on test but after .yea i waited 2 wks before hopping on clomid..i really hope its not liver failure ill keep you posted after i take clomid and nolva today see if my liver hurts
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Nolva is not liver toxic man, so disregard that. What you should have used while on is Arimidex or Aromasin. Do a lab test and see WTF happened! You should not take Nolva while on cycle, leave it for PCT.
yea i know now i was led the wrong way:(