Holy Mother of PIP / sorry its a bit wordy.
So... going about my site rotation as usual. This week Wednesday was right quad. Same routine, pretty much the same spot selected, the standard outer upper quadrant of quad, about 3-4" offset from center.
I loaded barrel with warmed .5ml Test-C, 1ml NPP, attached a 1" 25ga PIN. Needle was inserted parallel to skin, went in smoother then ever before, no pinch, no pain, no nerves, no nothing.
I proceed to aspirate, no blood, then inject a little faster then usual (I was in a rush). I pulled the needle out and surprised there was zero blood trickling out. I've done this more times then I could count and I still thought to myself, boy I wish it was like this every time. Famous last words.
About 6 hrs later at work, I start getting a little PIP below and to the center of the injection site on my quad. I thought this is weird, never had PIP this early and never away from the site. My usual onset is at least 24-36 hrs post and it radius around where I pinned. Limped a little. Thought nothing of it. Went to the gym that night, did routine (upper body) still thought nothing of it.
Fast forward 15 hours at work. HOLY GOD. I try getting up off my chair, my quad is on fire, right about my knee, sharp shooting pains anytime I bend it. I'm walking like a cripple. Pain continues to intensify, knee and quad area above it starts to swell. I start poppin' ibuprofen. I take Benadryl when I get home. Put a heat pack on it. Pass out. Wake up next day still same swelling and pain.
Its Saturday morning now, quad is still swollen but never got red or warm. Injection site never had pain. The pain is well far away from it, below it and right around my knee. Pain is a little better since Ive been taking 200mg-400mg of Ibuprofen every 4-6hr since Thursday night and through Friday.
I've never experienced this kind of PIP before. Something must have tragically gone wrong with the gear somehow draining down my quad and stopping at my knee. I do not wish this pain on anyone. Its been hell.
I usually enjoy a little pip even quad pip, but this fucking takes the cake since it involves my knee and screams in pain every time i bend it.
I wanted to get in a game a basketball today, but I can kiss that goodbye.
I pray this shit goes away soon.
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What did you pin? I seen your gear photos and seen that cloudy NPP was it that?
Nah it wasn't that NPP, I chucked that one. It had nothing to do with the gear. I've been pinning it for weeks now and its PIP free, literally ZERO PIP. Just a freak occurrence with the gear leaking down my quad and pulled by gravity to my knee causing inflammation.
Glad to report that I'm PIP free today.
I pinned my other quad on Sunday and its G2G.
I have learned how to control that shit now, when you feel it coming on go down 2 800mg ibuprofen(or 8 200mg) every 6 hours and continue doing it for the next 48 hours. I tried it now twice when it was coming on, shit worked like a charm.
Hell yeah bro! I didn't go that high of a dose (I did 400mg every 6hr)... But as soon as I started popping the ibuprofen like magic I started to recover QUICK. I stopped taking any NSAIDs by end of day Saturday. I was doing squats by Monday. Ibuprofen is KEY.
I actually had a similar issue...the oil dispersed between muscle groups and gravity caused the oil to seep down toward your knee. You are correct this is absolutely the worst pain! It took me about 2-3 weeks to recover without walking funny anymore...this is because every time you walk/sit you're causing inflammation to occur by the quad/knee area which is impossible to isolate with the constant bending of the knee. What will help is to elevate the leg while resting.... also ice/heat the pain/swollen area...keep taking pain meds to function during the day...and try not to completely bend your leg as much...hopefully it goes away quicker than mine as training legs weren't possible for 3 weeks.
I wonder how likely depth of injection affects PIP. I have oils that pin like butter most of the time. I put 2cc (prop and enth) into my right glute and didn't bury the needle, and had next to no PIP. Two days later I pinned 1cc prop in my left glute and burried my 1.5 23g pin, and have experienced the worst PIP ever. It's still not as bad as you're describing, but noticeable. I then ended up putting 2cc into my left quad without burying the needle, and again, next to no PIP. Normally I get no PIP in the quads anyway, but it was the first time putting 2cc in it. I'm going to continue to try shallower injections and see what happens. It sounds stupid, but for me too deep causes more pain it seems.
quads i use 1in pins. getting the oile to the proper depth secures proper absorption. So glutes 1.5...quads n delts been going 1 with no pip. 25 ga on quads n delts too. PIP can just be weird though. 5 shots through and have to search for last pin spot and then the 1 with some BAM in it. LOL! Quads are long so i use as much of it as i can to avoid the last spot in rotation. High, mid, and low.
That's interesting. That goes to show everyone is different. And we need to break the mindset that one size fits all. As for me..The deeper I go..The better. I cant really remember the last time I had what I would call "pip"..Now sometimes I'm not to steady while injecting and jerk the pin around bending it..In and out ect. Now I can feel that a little the next day..I wouldn't be able to call it pain though.
I never hit exact same spot on quads. Theres a good 6inches on my short legs to work. Always going up/down 3in from previous spot. I also wrote a forum that adds 2more pin spots. Glutes....same deal...i work the whole glute.. That nasty pip is just grrrr. I had a 5day no walking each time i hit quads. bleh
what about an ace wrap or compression shorts....it would keep the area heated
Your fine. Grit your teeth and deal. As long as the redness isn't centered around the pin point your fine. Hot shower, continue to workout. Do legs today,as much as you can.. It'll help move it through.
Thx bro... I'm not too worried, just figured I'd report on this weird PIP experience, since I've never had it happen to me .... Gonna give a few leg exercises a go.
I do fucking wish this shit goes away soon tho... I had to write off my dead/squat day yesterday and do delt/traps instead... also preventing me from doing any rough cardio.
Typical pip can last 3 days to a week. Get mad and get through it.
mr127superdeeholy crap ive never had such a problem i would go to the doctor dont try to self medicate for too long id say in a week from the pin if its no good its time for professional advice
the pain is better then the 2nd day... I have no fever, redness, lump just some swelling with no pitting.... I'm hoping it`ll be gone in a few more days. If not, I might consider getting someone to look at it
What length needle did you use? Did you push it all the way in?
1" as always... all the way in
No idea why people shoot quads. Nothing but horror stories. I learned years ago .......1 shot in quad 3 nights in hospital wasn't fun with cellulitis from quad down to ankle. Do not fuck around with that. It could be more serious than you think.
Because its one of the best places to do it..Its by far the easiest to reach..Big assed muscle so it sucks a lot of oil up like milk. Once you get over having newb virgin muscle its very painless. Assuming the source you use knows how to brew. And you don't have a reaction to the solvent or carrier oil.
X2!
I doubt its a bacterial infection. Did you have the swelling spread? redness? fever?
LOL walk it off
lol... that's what i've been doing so far... still I didn't think it would hurt to report on this weird PIP experience. I've been going to work, gym, and out all with my gimp leg... some pussies would be calling into work and laying in bed for days.
Lmao, wish I dared plus 1 you on that.